For Catholics--How do you feel about non-Catholics?

[catherinesiena]

This is a survey to see how most Catholics perceive non-Catholic faith and practices. This isn’t an invitation to bash non-Catholics or to judge (I once was non-Catholic). Just give an honest opinion of what your view is.

 

[rkberlin]

I voted it doesn’t matter which church you attend. I DO feel, though, that some other religions have practises that I don’t understand or like too much. But they probably think they’re doing everything right, and we’re wrong. I have to agree with my priest who told my husband and me before my husband converted from LDS to Catholicism " as long as you believe, I don’t care how you do it". He even told me to go to the LDS church, as long as the family is praising God together. I didn’t like that idea much, but it just shows how much tolerance is needed for us all to co-exist peacefully. None of us has the right to judge people of other faiths, why can’t we just all agree on loving our God?

Blessings to you all

 

[scylla]

We are all brothers and sisters in Christ, but we do need to be true to ourselves and to ultimate truth. Relativism is a growing problem in the world and we should focus on our similarities to bring about unity.

The more we welcome home to the Church, the closer we are to the unity Christ prayed for.

Scylla

 

[FuzzyBunny116]

What is relativism? I hear that a lot, but I’ve no idea what it means.

I voted the second option, that were are more correct and favored for it. By favored for it, though, I mean as a whole-mostly apparition type things (Fatima, Guadaloupe-my spelling today…), as well as phenomina sp that the saints had such as ecstacies (ARGGGG) and things like that, as well as stigmatisms (im going spelling crazy here).

 

[CarrieMG]

Relativism - I once heard a speaker describe it as adult diapers because everything depends. The idea is that nothing is really either right or wrong - it all depends on the circumstances.

 

[CarrieMG]

I need an “other” category here because none of these seems to be accurate to me. I believe that Christ gave us and has given the Church through the ages the ability to understand the fullness of what we should believe. In other words, the Catholic Church has ALL the truth that Christ brought to us. Non-Catholic churches have discarded beliefs - like the Real Presence in the Eucharist, etc. - that were too difficult for them to believe. The parts they have in common with the Catholic church - like belief in the Trinity - are true. Non-Catholics have part of the truth; Catholics have the fullness of truth.

 

[Subrosa]

I didn;t find a choice that I liked, but I chose the second one. I do believe, however, that if each of us search for God in our own way and with a true heart, we will find Him.

 

[rtkiii66]

CarrieMG:

I need an “other” category here because none of these seems to be accurate to me. I believe that Christ gave us and has given the Church through the ages the ability to understand the fullness of what we should believe. In other words, the Catholic Church has ALL the truth that Christ brought to us. Non-Catholic churches have discarded beliefs - like the Real Presence in the Eucharist, etc. - that were too difficult for them to believe. The parts they have in common with the Catholic church - like belief in the Trinity - are true. Non-Catholics have part of the truth; Catholics have the fullness of truth.

Why then does the catholic church teach from a cannon instead of the full Gospel?

 

[CheesusPowerKid]

We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ…the Catholic church is the true church, but there are more ways to be in harmony with the Catholic church than just being Catholic…God will decide in the end, not us, that’s all that matters

 

[rtkiii66]

CheesusPowerKid:

We’re all brothers and sisters in Christ…the Catholic church is the true church, but there are more ways to be in harmony with the Catholic church than just being Catholic…God will decide in the end, not us, that’s all that matters

The word catholic means" the true church" just because you call something by a name does not mean that it is.

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

rtkiii66:

The word catholic means" the true church" just because you call something by a name does not mean that it is.

Would you like to back your statement up with proof and evidence before the reformation

 

[Nan_S]

rtkiii66:

Why then does the catholic church teach from a cannon instead of the full Gospel?

That’s c-a-n-o-n. One N. Webster’s New World College Dictionary: “The books of the Bible officially accepted by a church or religious body as divinely inspired.”

What I’d like to know is why your church limits it’s teaching to the “full Gospel” (Webster’s: “the first four books of the New Testament”). The Catholic church uses the whole Bible.

Your questions would carry more weight if you learned the meaning of words before you used them.

 

[rtkiii66]

Nan S:

That’s c-a-n-o-n. One N. Webster’s New World College Dictionary: “The books of the Bible officially accepted by a church or religious body as divinely inspired.”

What I’d like to know is why your church limits it’s teaching to the “full Gospel” (Webster’s: “the first four books of the New Testament”). The Catholic church uses the whole Bible.

Your questions would carry more weight if you learned the meaning of words before you used them.

anon
CANON, n.

1. In ecclesiastical affairs, a law, or rule of doctrine or discipline, enacted by a council and confirmed by the sovereign; a decision of matters in religion, or a regulation of policy or discipline, by a general or provincial council.
2. A law or rule in general.
3. The genuine books of the Holy Scriptures, called the sacred cannon, or general rule of moral and religious duty, given by inspiration.
4. A dignitary of the church; a person who possesses a prebend or revenue allotted for the performance of divine service in a cathedral or collegiate church.

A cardinal canon is one attached to a church, incardinatus, as a priest to a parish.

Domicellary canons, are young canons, not in orders, having no right in any particular chapters.

Expectative canons, having no revenue or prebend, but having the title and dignities of canons, a voice in the chapter and a place in the choir, till a prebend should fall.

Foreign canons, such as did not officiate in their canonries; opposed to mansionary or residentiary canons.

Lay, secular or honorary canons, laymen admitted out of honor or respect, into some chapter of canons.

Regular canons, who live in monasteries or in community, and who, to the practice of their rules, have added the profession of vows.

Tertiary canons, who have only the third part of the revenue of the canonicate.

1. In monasteries, a book containing the rules of the order.
2. A catalogue of saints acknowledged and canonized in the Romish Church.
3. The secret words of the mass from the preface to the Pater, in the middle of which the priest consecrates the host. The people are to rehearse this part of the service, on their knees, and in a voice lower than can be heard.
4. In ancient music, a rule or method for determining the intervals of notes, invented by Ptolemy.
5. In modern music, a kind of perpetual fugue, in which the different parts, beginning one after another, repeat incessantly the same air.
6. In geometry and algebra, a general rule for the solution of cases of a like nature with the present inquiry. Every last step of an equation is a canon.
7. In pharmacy, a rule for compounding medicines.
8. In surgery, an instrument used in sewing up wounds.

Canon-law, is a collection of ecclesiastical laws, serving as the rule of church government.

Gospel
GOS’PEL, n. [L. evangelium, a good or joyful message.]

The history of the birth, life, actions, death, resurrection, ascension and doctrines of Jesus Christ; or a revelation of the grace of God to fallen man through a mediator, including the character, actions, and doctrines of Christ, with the whole scheme of salvation, as revealed by Christ and his apostles. This gospel is said to have been preached to Abraham, by the promise, “in thee shall all nations be blessed.” Gal 3:8.

It is called the gospel of God. Rom 1:1.

It is called the gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16.

It is called the gospel of salvation. Eph 1:13.

1. God’s word.
2. Divinity; theology.
3. Any general doctrine.

seems pretty clear to me

 

[Nan_S]

rtkiii66:

Gospel
GOS’PEL, n. [L. evangelium, a good or joyful message.]
The history of the birth, life, actions, death, resurrection, ascension and doctrines of Jesus Christ; or a revelation of the grace of God to fallen man through a mediator, including the character, actions, and doctrines of Christ, with the whole scheme of salvation, as revealed by Christ and his apostles. This gospel is said to have been preached to Abraham, by the promise, “in thee shall all nations be blessed.” Gal 3:8.
It is called the gospel of God. Rom 1:1.
It is called the gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16.
It is called the gospel of salvation. Eph 1:13.

1. God’s word.
2. Divinity; theology.
3. Any general doctrine.
   seems pretty clear to me

Mmm hmm. You haven’t answered the question. Why do you use only the “full gospel” and not the full Bible?

Gal 3:8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, “In you shall all the nations be blessed.” [gospel to Abraham=>God justifies Gentiles by faith; later validated by Jesus]

*Rom 1:1-4 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy scriptures, the gospel concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh and designated Son of God in power according to the Spirit of holiness by his resurrection from the dead, Jesus Christ our Lord. *[gospel promised=>Jesus’ godhead]

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: it is the power of God for salvation to every one who has faith, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [gospel=>Jesus’ message: God has power to grant salvation to all believers]

Eph 1:13-14 In Jesus you also, who have heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and have believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, which is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory. [gospel=>Jesus’ word]

Where’s the rest of the Bible? Focusing solely on “gospel” is like eating the cake frosting and discarding the cake.

Quoting fragments of verses and stringing them together out of context doesn’t help your argument much either.

 

[jimmy]

rtkiii66:

Why then does the catholic church teach from a cannon instead of the full Gospel?

Yes, there is a cannon in the middle of the church. The main job of the preist is to stick the cannon balls in and light the fuse.

Really though. You need to think before you post. The Canon of scripture is the list of books that are included in the bible. This was defined at the councils of Carthage, Hippo, Rome, Florence, and Trent. They include 73 books, which is 7 more than you include. The question is, why don’t you include all 73 books of the bible? We include the whole bible, you have extracted 7 books.

 

[jimmy]

rtkiii66:

anon
CANON, n.

1. In ecclesiastical affairs, a law, or rule of doctrine or discipline, enacted by a council and confirmed by the sovereign; a decision of matters in religion, or a regulation of policy or discipline, by a general or provincial council.
2. A law or rule in general.
3. The genuine books of the Holy Scriptures, called the sacred cannon, or general rule of moral and religious duty, given by inspiration.
4. A dignitary of the church; a person who possesses a prebend or revenue allotted for the performance of divine service in a cathedral or collegiate church.

A cardinal canon is one attached to a church, incardinatus, as a priest to a parish.

Domicellary canons, are young canons, not in orders, having no right in any particular chapters.

Expectative canons, having no revenue or prebend, but having the title and dignities of canons, a voice in the chapter and a place in the choir, till a prebend should fall.

Foreign canons, such as did not officiate in their canonries; opposed to mansionary or residentiary canons.

Lay, secular or honorary canons, laymen admitted out of honor or respect, into some chapter of canons.

Regular canons, who live in monasteries or in community, and who, to the practice of their rules, have added the profession of vows.

Tertiary canons, who have only the third part of the revenue of the canonicate.

1. In monasteries, a book containing the rules of the order.
2. A catalogue of saints acknowledged and canonized in the Romish Church.
3. The secret words of the mass from the preface to the Pater, in the middle of which the priest consecrates the host. The people are to rehearse this part of the service, on their knees, and in a voice lower than can be heard.
4. In ancient music, a rule or method for determining the intervals of notes, invented by Ptolemy.
5. In modern music, a kind of perpetual fugue, in which the different parts, beginning one after another, repeat incessantly the same air.
6. In geometry and algebra, a general rule for the solution of cases of a like nature with the present inquiry. Every last step of an equation is a canon.
7. In pharmacy, a rule for compounding medicines.
8. In surgery, an instrument used in sewing up wounds.

Canon-law, is a collection of ecclesiastical laws, serving as the rule of church government.

Gospel
GOS’PEL, n. [L. evangelium, a good or joyful message.]

The history of the birth, life, actions, death, resurrection, ascension and doctrines of Jesus Christ; or a revelation of the grace of God to fallen man through a mediator, including the character, actions, and doctrines of Christ, with the whole scheme of salvation, as revealed by Christ and his apostles. This gospel is said to have been preached to Abraham, by the promise, “in thee shall all nations be blessed.” Gal 3:8.

It is called the gospel of God. Rom 1:1.

It is called the gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16.

It is called the gospel of salvation. Eph 1:13.

1. God’s word.
2. Divinity; theology.
3. Any general doctrine.

seems pretty clear to me

You obviously haven’t thought too hard about this. When we say the canon of scripture, we mean the list of books that are in the bible, or in other words, the inspired books.

You only include the gospels, why don’t you include the Old Testament or the epistles of Paul and those of James, Jude, Peter, and John?

 

[space_ghost]

…we are brothers and sisters in Christ, and God wants us to love them as we love ourselves…

 

[JKirkLVNV]

rtkiii66:

anon
CANON, n.

1. In ecclesiastical affairs, a law, or rule of doctrine or discipline, enacted by a council and confirmed by the sovereign; a decision of matters in religion, or a regulation of policy or discipline, by a general or provincial council.
2. A law or rule in general.
3. The genuine books of the Holy Scriptures, called the sacred cannon, or general rule of moral and religious duty, given by inspiration.
4. A dignitary of the church; a person who possesses a prebend or revenue allotted for the performance of divine service in a cathedral or collegiate church.

A cardinal canon is one attached to a church, incardinatus, as a priest to a parish.

Domicellary canons, are young canons, not in orders, having no right in any particular chapters.

Expectative canons, having no revenue or prebend, but having the title and dignities of canons, a voice in the chapter and a place in the choir, till a prebend should fall.

Foreign canons, such as did not officiate in their canonries; opposed to mansionary or residentiary canons.

Lay, secular or honorary canons, laymen admitted out of honor or respect, into some chapter of canons.

Regular canons, who live in monasteries or in community, and who, to the practice of their rules, have added the profession of vows.

Tertiary canons, who have only the third part of the revenue of the canonicate.

1. In monasteries, a book containing the rules of the order.
2. A catalogue of saints acknowledged and canonized in the Romish Church.
3. The secret words of the mass from the preface to the Pater, in the middle of which the priest consecrates the host. The people are to rehearse this part of the service, on their knees, and in a voice lower than can be heard.
4. In ancient music, a rule or method for determining the intervals of notes, invented by Ptolemy.
5. In modern music, a kind of perpetual fugue, in which the different parts, beginning one after another, repeat incessantly the same air.
6. In geometry and algebra, a general rule for the solution of cases of a like nature with the present inquiry. Every last step of an equation is a canon.
7. In pharmacy, a rule for compounding medicines.
8. In surgery, an instrument used in sewing up wounds.

Canon-law, is a collection of ecclesiastical laws, serving as the rule of church government.

Gospel
GOS’PEL, n. [L. evangelium, a good or joyful message.]

The history of the birth, life, actions, death, resurrection, ascension and doctrines of Jesus Christ; or a revelation of the grace of God to fallen man through a mediator, including the character, actions, and doctrines of Christ, with the whole scheme of salvation, as revealed by Christ and his apostles. This gospel is said to have been preached to Abraham, by the promise, “in thee shall all nations be blessed.” Gal 3:8.

It is called the gospel of God. Rom 1:1.

It is called the gospel of Christ. Rom 1:16.

It is called the gospel of salvation. Eph 1:13.

1. God’s word.
2. Divinity; theology.
3. Any general doctrine.

seems pretty clear to me

Are you talking about the Code of Canon Law? But most Protestant churches have a constitution, or at the very least, by-laws. We don’t believe “canon law” to be a part of the “canon” of Scripture!

 

[Subrosa]

rtkiii66:

The word catholic means" the true church" just because you call something by a name does not mean that it is.

I’m sorry rtkiii66, the word “catholic” does not mean “the true church.” It means “Universal.” It refers to the fact that all christians are members of Christ’s church, the only one He founded. It doesn’t matter which denomination, sect, or tradition that you belong to, as a christian, you are a part of Christ’s church.

Your definition is actually closer to the word “orthodox” which means “true belief” or “true faith”.

The word “Catholic” has also come to be associated with the Church of Rome, known as the Catholic Church. This meaning came to be associated with Rome after the schism of 1054 when the One church seperated into factions. Rome kept the moniker “Catholic” while the eastern churches adopted the word “Orthodox”.

While there are different institutions of christianity, they all fall under the auspices of the one church that Christ founded, for He founded only One church, ergo the word “catholic”, or “universal” simply means all christians.

Subrosa

 

[Subrosa]

rtkiii66:

The word catholic means" the true church" just because you call something by a name does not mean that it is.

Just because you disagree with something doesn’t mean that it isn’t, either.