For Catholics who seem to hate the word "Allah"...

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UncleBill said:
…Allah Akbar! 😃
From a good Catholic!
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Kinda forgot “u”, 'cause what you said was
“God Great”, missing the word “is”, so it’s
“Allahu Akbar”.
(And if anyone thinks it: NO,
that is not a terrorist motto!)​
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Kinda forgot “u”, 'cause what you said was
“God Great”, missing the word “is”, so it’s
“Allahu Akbar”.
(And if anyone thinks it: NO,
that is not a terrorist motto!)​
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Auto correct sucks sometimes.
 
Beryllos said:
Brothers and Sisters, be at peace! The OP is not asking you to use the name Allah. He (and others) are explaining why we should not hate the name, or overreact when someone else uses the name.

On the first Pentecost, when the apostles spoke in many languages, is it possible some people heard “Allah” and were saved?
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The problem is, when you have a society of frightened people who think terrorists are under every bed, watch movies in which Arabs are always the bad guys, and live off a diet of Fox “news” hysterics, the reaction is inevitable.
It’s what happens when emotions trump reason and intellect.
 
JustaServant said:
The problem is, when you have a society of frightened people who think terrorists are under every bed, watch movies in which Arabs are always the bad guys, and live off a diet of Fox “news” hysterics, the reaction is inevitable.
It’s what happens when emotions trump reason and intellect.
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Another issue to tackle to the ground, we need
to have reason and intellect to trump emotions.
 
My husband has met many beautiful people in Iraq. He for one will attest to the fact that most Muslims are not terrorists and most are good people. He has very good friends that he prayers for daily that he met on different deployments. A few of them he met on his first deployment and they remembered him with a hug and laughter on the next few deployments. These are good men who find joy in horrific conditions. Most were also very far from home driving trucks for US contractors in Iraq while their wives and children are in Nepal, India, Turkey, or some other country. we have received invitations to visit their homes (not that we ever could afford to travel like that, but hey, it was the invitation that means so much), and we have been prayed for as we pray for them. I can not see how the prayers they say to Allah are any different than the prayers we say to God. Both come from the hearts of good men for one another
 
Merriam Webster defines “Allah” as follows:

God: 1a —used in Islam

Thus, the English usage of the word “Allah” has an Islamic denotation – whatever etymology suggests. In the interest of clarity among native English speakers, I think it is wise for us to avoid the word “Allah” in connection with the Christian faith.
 
njlisa said:
Merriam Webster defines “Allah” as follows:
God: 1a —used in Islam
Thus, the English usage of the word “Allah” has an Islamic denotation – whatever etymology suggests. In the interest of clarity among native English speakers, I think it is wise for us to avoid the word “Allah” in connection with the Christian faith.
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Yes, dictionaries may say that, which is a big problem. You just that that you “think it is wise for us to avoid the word “Allah” in connection with the Christian faith,” to which I must ask: Who is “us”? Us English speakers or us Christians?

If “us” English speakers, very well, but I’m not imposing the use of the word “Allah”, but simply urging Christians against having such negative feelings towards that word; however, if you mean “us” Christians, that would encompass Christians all around the world, even they who say Allah natively even though some Muslim countries don’t want them to as Muslims are converting to Christianity because of that channel being opened between Christianity and Islam.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
Yes, dictionaries may say that, which is a big problem. You just that that you “think it is wise for us to avoid the word “Allah” in connection with the Christian faith,” to which I must ask: Who is “us”? Us English speakers or us Christians?

If “us” English speakers, very well, but I’m not imposing the use of the word “Allah”, but simply urging Christians against having such negative feelings towards that word; however, if you mean “us” Christians, that would encompass Christians all around the world, even they who say Allah natively even though some Muslim countries don’t want them to as Muslims are converting to Christianity because of that channel being opened between Christianity and Islam.
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I have no negative feelings toward the word Allah. And I’m referring to English-speaking Christians. And dictionaries simply describe how a language is used and understood.
I hope that helps clarify my point. 🙂
 
njlisa said:
I have no negative feelings toward the word Allah. And I’m referring to English-speaking Christians. And dictionaries simply describe how a language is used and understood.
I hope that helps clarify my point. 🙂
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Yes it does. 🙂
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
To say “practice Islam” is to suggest I’m going all the way in practice. Not so. Just borrowing
a little, things which Christianity shares in common with Islam. Muslims say No God Except
God, I say No God Except God. Muslims say Muhammad is the Messenger of God, I do
not say Muhammad is the Messenger of God.

I highly doubt I’ll make Hajj, I know I can’t fast for
Ramadan, definitely not gonna believe the Qur’an
at full 100%, nor likely at 50%.
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What’s so wrong with sticking with your own Religion, you know Christianity the only Religion to have truth. You would never see St. Paul saying “oh I must be loving so I’ll do a pagan orgies” no he preached Christ without compromise. Why would you want to act like a pagan when you have the true God.
 
cath4alltime said:
What’s so wrong with sticking with your own Religion, you know Christianity the only Religion to have truth. You would never see St. Paul saying “oh I must be loving so I’ll do a pagan orgies” no he preached Christ without compromise. Why would you want to act like a pagan when you have the true God.
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I wonder why Christ taught us the parable of the good Samaritan, why he bothered to teach us to love our enemies as well as our friends.

So sad to see such bigotry. I applaud the wise Catholic who started this thread and his truthful explanations of the word Allah.

I also applaud those who stood up for truth and love among our Eastern Christian friends and that of the West. 👍

God is Love.
 
cath4alltime said:
What’s so wrong with sticking with your own Religion, you know Christianity the only Religion to have truth. You would never see St. Paul saying “oh I must be loving so I’ll do a pagan orgies” no he preached Christ without compromise. Why would you want to act like a pagan when you have the true God.
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]What’s so wrong with sticking with my own Religion? I am.

Why would I want to act like a pagan when you have the true God? I don’t.

Do I agree with Islam? No (and how dare you impose that on me).

You are calling Muslims pagans, which is so wrong, you don’t even know. Islam is not
a pagan religion, Muslims are not pagans, nor idolators, they are in fact not Christian,
I won’t argue that, but they are still part of the Abrahamic family.

Of course Paul wouldn’t go to a pagan orgy, but he’ll become as a Jew to convince the
Jews, and he’d become all things to all men so that he may by all means save some.
(See 1 Corinthians 9:19-23).

“SHAME ON PAUL!” is pretty much what I
am hearing you say in light of 1 Corinthians.

Now true, as you said, “he preached Christ without compromise,” but that leads me to
ask: What compromises have I made? Acknowledging that “Allah” is okay to use? If
you say yes, you condemn all Arabic speaking Christians throughout the world (who
YES use “Allah”). Is it that I say that Islam worships the same true One God? Vatican
does too. Or could it possibly be that I say 33 "Glory to God"s, 33 "Praise to God"s, 33
“God is Great"s, and 1 No God Except God”, in Arabic, in the name of the Father Son &
Holy Spirit? Oh yes, (sarcasm ->) such words are so compromising.

You Done?
 
happyme said:
I wonder why Christ taught us the parable of the good Samaritan, why he bothered to teach us to love our enemies as well as our friends.

So sad to see such bigotry. I applaud the wise Catholic who started this thread and his truthful explanations of the word Allah.

I also applaud those who stood up for truth and love among our Eastern Christian friends and that of the West. 👍

God is Love.
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God Bless You! 👍
 
FWIW I’ll repost what BTNYC( even though he seems to have been banned) posted since his was the sanest advice:

"My own ethnic background is Maltese (arguably the most Catholic people on earth). Ours is a semitic language, very closely related to Arabic. The Maltese word for “God” is “Alla.”

I call God “Alla” when speaking Maltese. I call God “God” when speaking English.

Muslims* use “Allah” when referring to (their false, nontrinitarian concept of) God in English (and other languages) because they believe Arabic to be a divine language (since it is the language their founder “received” his “revelation” in) and therefore no other language has a word as proper for God as “Allah.”

No Christians (not even Arabic speaking Christians) afford Arabic this favored status. We have no reason to. We don’t even afford Hebrew and Greek (the languages of our Scriptures) this status. That’s why you’re not likely to hear an English speaking Christian using “Elohim” or “Theos” to refer to God in everyday speech.

For a Christian to refer to God as “Allah” when speaking any language other than Arabic is pointlessly provocative. It bespeaks a shallow tendency toward exoticism or (much worse) a tacit endorsement of Muslims claims. Needless to say, a Christian should avoid this."

*I changed the bad “M” word, it rhymes with Hammedan, to Muslim.
 
I think this thread has spiraled somewhat to areas that are not meant to be.

I would see as unnecessary usage if we are switching to Allah instead of God when speaking in English. It would be quite unnecessary and perhaps provocative to say, for example, “Oh, my Allah”, instead of “Oh, my God”. Why would you switch to Arabic when speaking in English?

This does not mean that we are bothered by the word ‘Allah’ in and of itself for it is a legitimate word in Arabic language and those whose use it in their language respectively.

As for saying that Islam is false does not amount to bigotry for it is the truth for us Catholics that any other religions are false or just incomplete with errors and without the fullness of truth. Otherwise we are not Catholics if we are to accept them as true. So in a way, the direction that this thread leads to probably also being led by the provocative nature of the OP and the accusation of something that is actually not there. It is regrettable that those who argue beautifully in defending the religion should be trapped into against the Forum rule.
 
Reuben_J said:
I think this thread has spiraled somewhat to areas that are not meant to be…

I would see as unnecessary usage if we are switching to Allah instead of God when speaking in English…

As for saying that Islam is false does not amount to bigotry for it is the truth for us Catholics that any other religions are false or just incomplete with errors and without the fullness of truth.
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This actually this thread is going the way it should. Now I am not urging us to use “Allah” (that misses the point), and I’m glad you don’t have a problem with the term itself, but there are many here who don’t understand and are prejudice. It isn’t bigotry to say Islam is wrong, you are correct, but it is both bigotry and ignorant to say Muslims are pagans and that Islam is a Pagan Religion, as someone did earlier here.

The idea of this thread is not to tolerate Islam and say that it is “Truth”, not at all, but the issue I am addressing here is people’s misconception. People say “Allah” refers to a different God, even a pagan one, but that is wrong. People say Islam and Christianity worship different Gods, but the Vatican says differently. There I’d one view that is correct, and one that is wrong, but we can’t say they are looking at two completely different things.

Islam is wrong because it describes God very incorrectly, among other reasons, and that is the issue to tackle, views of the One True God. We can start this process by being more accepting of the term Allah and that we are not worshiping different deities, thereby opening a channel in which the Gospel my flow.
 
Judas_Thaddeus said:
There I’d one view that is correct, and one that is wrong, but we can’t say they are looking at two completely different things.
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SHOULD READ…
“There is one view that is correct, and one that is wrong, but we
can’t say they are looking at two completely different things.”
 
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