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“I believe. Lord, help my unbelief.”

There are lots of things in Christian faith that are difficult, even impossible, to grasp. For me, transubstantiation is one of the hardest. Virgin birth, ascension, healings, resurrection, you name it, there are LOTS of things that challenge our abilities to believe. Transubstantiation may not even be the most difficult, but for some reason, it is difficult for me. I have to confront it day by day. Back a few months ago I started going to adoration pretty much every day, and I think this was helping me, but I stopped going awhile back. I need to get back to the chapel, I know.

Have you tried adoration, Truthinator? I don’t see why a not-yet-Catholic can’t go to an adoration chapel and adore the Eucharistic host.
 
“I believe. Lord, help my unbelief.”
This is totally what I lean on in terms of transubstantiation. I don’t fully get it, but I don’t have to–Jesus will cure my “unbelief”, and I’ll trust in Him to speak logically to my mind and heart and not let me be swayed by “feeling” it, if that makes sense.

And gadzooks, you’re only 13?? 👍 My heavens, you put some adults’ spiritual articulation to shame–namely my own!
 
To RobNY,

I’ve have heard it said before that transubstantiation means receiving the substance of the Glorified Body of Christ, but as to what “substance” actually means in this context I am still uncertain about. Thomas Aquinas, if I’m correct, taught this, and its ambiguity left me incredibly puzzled.
This is very difficult to understand. I advise you to pray for understanding.

Not to condescend to you, but just to relate to you, at this time in your life, around 13, there are huge amounts of developments going on physically and mentally. I’m sure you know that. From about your age, and in the next few years I know my mental abilities sharpened incredibly. The mind’s ability to engage in abstract thinking increases tremendously over this time. I know this personally because looking back I can see how much I’ve developed, for instance, from 14 to 16. So if you have trouble, don’t sweat it. Try your best, let it percolate up there in your head, pray about it.

First, have you read the catechism on the Eucharist? If not, read it. Paragraphs 1373-1376 refer to transubstantiation.

Second, if you were refer me directly to the Thomas Aquinas passages you are referring to, I’d be glad to help you.

“Substance” is a philosophical term. It’s a lot like the term, ‘form.’ I recommend reading Parts 4 and 5 of Aristotle’s Categories here. It’s difficult but it might help.

Substance refers to what something, “is.” I realize this is abstract. In Aristotle’s philosophy, there is substance, and there are accidents. Substance has primary being, and the accidents have secondary being supported on the substance. Accidents exist only on a subject. What are the accidents? As Aristotle says, “quantity, quality, relation, place, time, position, state, action, or affection.”
To sketch my meaning roughly, examples of substance are ‘man’ or ‘the horse’, of quantity, such terms as ‘two cubits long’ or ‘three cubits long’, of quality, such attributes as ‘white’, ‘grammatical’. ‘Double’, ‘half’, ‘greater’, fall under the category of relation; ‘in a the market place’, ‘in the Lyceum’, under that of place; ‘yesterday’, ‘last year’, under that of time. ‘Lying’, ‘sitting’, are terms indicating position, ‘shod’, ‘armed’, state; ‘to lance’, ‘to cauterize’, action; ‘to be lanced’, ‘to be cauterized’, affection. (Part 4)
A substance is a thing. You are a substance. Try to think of substance as what a thing is. Sub is, “under,” it is what it underneath a thing, what underlies it and makes it what it is. The accidents are those things which are not essentially what something is, they are perceptible. We can see, touch, taste, hear and smell accidents, and by these senses measure, etc. them. But the, ‘what it is’ of a thing is not something we can perceive with our senses, but rather something we understand with our minds. You don’t, for instance, see “tableness.”

With the Eucharist, let’s start with bread and wine. We can touch, taste, feel, see, smell the bread. When we do this we are interacting with the accidents of the bread. We are not perceiving with our sense organs, however, the “breadness” of the bread.

What happens at the consecration is that the, “breadness” underlying the accidents of the bread is changed wholly over to Christ’s Body. So that what happens is we have the accidents of bread sensibly present, and yet the substance of bread no longer exists, but instead, the substance of Christ. But, since the accidents of the bread still exist it still appears to be bread.

Let me be clear-- if you take a microscope and zoom in on the Eucharist you are not going to see little bits of Christ. It still totally and completely appears to be bread. However, on a level deeper than the sensible, really on the level of being as being, it is Christ.

Have I confused you more?
 
Tell me, do you hold that the PHYSICAL substance of Christ’s Glorified Body is received, or do you believe it to be a SPIRITUAL substance? Or is this as mysterious as anything to you? Can you offer some clarification on your beliefs in this matter?
Physical is a tricky word. When the Catholic Church professes its belief it says it believes in a, “true, real and substantial” presence. Physical is tricky because it depends what you mean. If you mean by physical, sensibly present, then obviously that will not do. We cannot, “sense” substance, we can only abstract it with our intellects. The substance of the Body and Blood of Christ is not sensibly present. So, generally, I would prefer not to use the word, “physical” for the Real Presence because it is unclear what we mean by it, and what someone else would hear from it. If you give me a definition of physical, I’d be happy to see whether it applies to the Eucharist. However, I’d rather not and use the terms which are OK’d for use. Spiritual is also a troubling word which I would not touch with a ten foot pole.
Also, in regards to the gifts of the Spirit:

I am forced to believe that these gifts remain in our world today.
Indeed, I have no objection to such a position, and myself do believe they exist. The point I’m trying to make is merely that they are completely irrelevant to the spiritual life.
We also took careful consideration of Paul’s words in chapters 13 and 14, as it is the most important part of his message:
Indeed. As Paul says, strive for more excellent gifts. He goes on to talk mainly about love, but also about faith and hope. As I said, these are the theological virtues which unite the soul to God. Paul notes that everything passes away… except love. I’m just trying to put the gifts of the Holy Spirit in perspective, and it seems to me that you have a good handle on it.

If my post didn’t help at all in understanding transubstantiation, then tell me. I’ll think a bit more about it and find a good article which explains it.

-Rob
 
It seems to me you do little to track the progress of my faith and, though I mean no disrespect, I do not need a deterrent: I need one who will be devoted to helping me and praying for me. So far Vigis and RobNY have done excellent in this area … But your quick dismissal of my interest in the Faith was as unnecessary as it was unbrotherly. Your clear refusal to sympathize with my doubt was even worse … I believe at this moment very much in transubstantiation: It is trying to grasp it and expel doubts that I am currently dealing with.

Once again, I’m sorry. I really mean no disrespect, but I am struggling a lot right now and this is anything but helpful.
Ok, this changes my perspective. Sorry for being disrespectful.

Let me present a better attitude…

What is it about Transubstantiation that you do not understand? I may be able to help.

Subrosa
 
You have already revealed that you are aware of Jesus claiming that, the bread and wine are his body and blood

And you are correct to say there are many interpretations
But the deciding factor for believing is that when the people left he didnt call them back and say hey wait i was only speaking metaphorically

I think that if jesus was speaking in a metaphor then he wouldve corrected those who chose to disbelieve

Recommended reading:

The NEW Catholic Answer Bible
I agree. When Jesus spoke in parables and metaphor, he always explained his real meaning to the disciples, or at least the Twelve. Out of all the teachings, the Eucharistic presence is not explained, but rather repeated multiple times.
 
What happens at the consecration is that the, “breadness” underlying the accidents of the bread is changed wholly over to Christ’s Body. So that what happens is we have the accidents of bread sensibly present, and yet the substance of bread no longer exists, but instead, the substance of Christ. But, since the accidents of the bread still exist it still appears to be bread.
Let me be clear-- if you take a microscope and zoom in on the Eucharist you are not going to see little bits of Christ. It still totally and completely appears to be bread. However, on a level deeper than the sensible, really on the level of being as being, it is Christ.
Have I confused you more?
No. You have explained it perfectly. However, now I utterly fail to see the difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation (aside from what is indicated by the titles).

How, then, do you feel about Eucharistic miracles, in which the Host is often seen literally becoming cardiac tissue? Merely as a sign that Christ is truly present in the Meal and as his not-so-subtle way of reaffirming it? Or what …?

Thank you. Philosophy was formerly my religion, I would say, so abstract modes of thinking I have been quite keen to since childhood. The problem, I found, with this was that human reason and intellectualism all-too-often fail us.

THANKS AGAIN!

I think I should mention, I prayed the Rosary for the first real time today. I’d tried once before, not knowing the formula, confused about the Mysteries, etc. Today (this morning), however, I sat down on my bed, all alone in our house, said the creeds and prayers, read the Scriptures to go along with it, and I, for whatever reason, was able to say the decades without focusing on the words. I was able to see the Mystery before my very eyes: I saw Mary of Magdala weeping, balling, as she came to discover her Lord’s body missing. I saw the risen Savior appearing to Thomas, heard his words: “Blessed are those who believe without seeing.” I saw the Holy Spirit descend, tongues of fire … I saw Mary old and on her deathbed, so fragile but beautiful, tears in her eyes as she anticipated her Son’s greeting. I saw her, instants before her demise, disappear. I saw her embraced by Joseph, her eyes widen as, in the midst of a starry Heaven, she gazed upon her Son, fell at his knees, embracing and kissing them. I saw Mary’s surprise as her Son pulled her to her feet, her youthful beauty apparent in eyes no longer tired. I saw a diadem being placed on her head, all Heaven on its knees, her utter shock …

It was my confirmation; I haven’t been able to get the images out of my head yet! I hope they never leave. Thanks for being my guides into this new place of Truth in which I find myself.
Ok, this changes my perspective. Sorry for being disrespectful.
Let me present a better attitude…
What is it about Transubstantiation that you do not understand? I may be able to help.
Thank you.

As of now, I think the only thing I do not understand is the “how,” this is a Mystery that is best left, well … mysterious …

I apologize for coming off brazen. I have struggled deeply with trying to grasp all this, and finding out exactly where God is calling me. I think I’ve found my answer now.

If only I could find a church home nearby … Hmm … Anyone else think that “Christ the King Church” sounds charismatic? Let’s hope. :o
 
That’s terrible! Are you Catechised, then? If you don’t mind, how old are you? You make yourself sound young. (I’m 13, by the way.)

I know they are his words … but, there are so many other interpretations … and …

I must admit, you make a persuasive argument, friend! 🙂 Will you pray for me? I must make use of the great prayer I found in Mark 9:27: “I believe, but help me overcome my unbelief!”

Me, I am a few years older than you. No, I am not Catechised. I left the Church before I came of age. Later when I got interested in my family relations and stuff like that I got more interested in the Catholic side of my family. What pushed me to explor it and to learn about it though was the Crusades. After someone here explained to me that the Body of Christ is the Isreal in Revelations I decided to become a Catholic again. That was about a year and half ago.

Indeed their are many interpretations concerning the Eucharist, but which interpretations is the earliest. If you look back into history Luther’s theory (basically the second one) came about in the 1500’s or whatever time. Thus it is invalid because it is a new idea. Then we have transubstination. This is a fairly old belief and has been linked to the very beginings of the Early Church (Catholic Church). Not only does scripture prove this theory or belief, but history does as well. Scripture may be used to back up Luther’s belief or that it is purely symbolic, but history differs from those beliefs. Thus the interpretation of the scripture that they use to back up their idea is a failure. No other belief besides that of the Catholic belief of the Eucharist is logical after all of the facts are presented.

God speed.

Vigis
 
Thank you.
Your welcome. Again, my apologies. I behaved badly.
As of now, I think the only thing I do not understand is the “how,” this is a Mystery that is best left, well … mysterious …
There are clues in John chapter 6. The famous story of how Christ fed the 5000 at the beginning of the chapter, and then how He walked on water. The chapter ends with the “Bread of Life” discourse.

Theologically speaking, the three stories together have importance.

Feeding the 5000 shows Christ’s abilty to miraculously multiply food. This equates to the miracle of bilocation (being in more than one place simultainiously). We see this at mass when all the different communion hosts become the Body of Christ. It is mistery because we cannot explain how it happens.

The walking on water story shows Christ’s ability to control the physical world. Again, this points to His ability to control what is occuring with the hosts.

Of course the Bread of Life discourse is all about Christ feeding us spiritually when the bread and wine become His Body and Blood.

It remains a mistery because we don’t see it. When we take Communion, it still looks and tastes like bread and wine. That is why it is called “faith.” We take Him at His word that what is happening is really happening.
If only I could find a church home nearby … Hmm … Anyone else think that “Christ the King Church” sounds charismatic? Let’s hope. :o
I attended Christ the King Church for many years!

www.ctkri.org

Subrosa
 
No. You have explained it perfectly. However, now I utterly fail to see the difference between transubstantiation and consubstantiation (aside from what is indicated by the titles).
I don’t know if you read it when I first linked it, but whether you did or didn’t, perhaps a re-reading of, “Transubstantiation and reason” would help you.

Let me explain the two different views to you. One caveat-- Lutherans will never say they profess consubstantiation because they refuse to attach such philosophical terminology to the Eucharist. So technically it is incorrect to ascribe consubstantiation to them. Nevertheless, I tend to find it to be the closest equivalent.

Catholics believe: The bread and wine change substantially into the Body and Blood of Christ. Hence, there is no longer any bread or wine left.

Lutherans believe: The words of institution cause Christ to be present, in, with and under the Eucharistic species. Hence both Christ and bread are present, for instance.

If you like wrapping your head around philosophy and theology, perhaps you’ll want to reread Thomas Aquinas on transubstantiation. Check articles 2 and 6, especially. He gives some excellent reasons why the substance of bread and wine cannot persist in the sacrament after the consecration, including:

The testimony of Ambrose, father of the Church:
Ambrose says (De Sacram. iv): “Although the figure of the bread and wine be seen, still, after the Consecration, they are to be believed to be nothing else than the body end blood of Christ.”
I especially appreciate his reason-- if bread were in the Eucharist, then we could not worship it!

Article 6 is also helpful. Be mindful that we profess that the bread changes and becomes Christ’s body. If what the bread is becomes what Christ is, then there is no bread left over to exist alongside Christ’s presence! It is wholly converted over to Christ.

And one last note that I’ll make: it is impossible for two substances to exist in one thing at once. It is equivalent of asking for a square circle or for something to exist and not exist at the same time-- a contradiction with no real meaning. If something were to have both the substance of bread and Christ at the same time it would just be a nonsensical thing.
How, then, do you feel about Eucharistic miracles, in which the Host is often seen literally becoming cardiac tissue? Merely as a sign that Christ is truly present in the Meal and as his not-so-subtle way of reaffirming it? Or what …?
Assuming the genuiness of any particular Eucharistic miracle, its purpose is to affirm the belief in the Real Presence and to enkindle man’s heart to wonder and love of this sublime mystery.
 
Thank you. Philosophy was formerly my religion, I would say, so abstract modes of thinking I have been quite keen to since childhood. The problem, I found, with this was that human reason and intellectualism all-too-often fail us.
Reason alone cannot bring us happiness. We need something altogether different to fill that God-shaped hole in our hearts.
I think I should mention, I prayed the Rosary for the first real time today. I’d tried once before, not knowing the formula, confused about the Mysteries, etc. Today (this morning), however, I sat down on my bed, all alone in our house, said the creeds and prayers, read the Scriptures to go along with it, and I, for whatever reason, was able to say the decades without focusing on the words. I was able to see the Mystery before my very eyes: I saw Mary of Magdala weeping, balling, as she came to discover her Lord’s body missing. I saw the risen Savior appearing to Thomas, heard his words: “Blessed are those who believe without seeing.” I saw the Holy Spirit descend, tongues of fire … I saw Mary old and on her deathbed, so fragile but beautiful, tears in her eyes as she anticipated her Son’s greeting. I saw her, instants before her demise, disappear. I saw her embraced by Joseph, her eyes widen as, in the midst of a starry Heaven, she gazed upon her Son, fell at his knees, embracing and kissing them. I saw Mary’s surprise as her Son pulled her to her feet, her youthful beauty apparent in eyes no longer tired. I saw a diadem being placed on her head, all Heaven on its knees, her utter shock …
It was my confirmation; I haven’t been able to get the images out of my head yet! I hope they never leave. Thanks for being my guides into this new place of Truth in which I find myself.
Amazing. Be sure to thank God for prayer. 🙂

Also… don’t be discouraged if you come to a time when your don’t receive any sensible consolation (i.e., enjoyment) out of prayer. That’s part of God’s plan to make us rely on Him completely out of faith entirely, and not just out of rewards. Persevere. Like you I’m beginning to pray often. My name’s Rob, and I’d appreciate if you’d keep me in your prayer intentions. If you’d give me your first name, I’d be happy to pray for you as well. I’m doing my best to persevere in prayer as well.
As of now, I think the only thing I do not understand is the “how,” this is a Mystery that is best left, well … mysterious …
The doctrines of the Real Presence and Transubstantiation really tell us so little about the Eucharist. Peer deeper into it-- marvel at the amazing gift of self-love which the Eucharist is. Jesus wants to give Himself so totally to us that He gives us Himself to eat.
If only I could find a church home nearby … Hmm … Anyone else think that “Christ the King Church” sounds charismatic? Let’s hope. :o
I don’t mean to spoil your fun, but… just as another idea. I understand you are looking for a charasmatic Catholic church. However, if you can’t find one, offer your dissapointment up to God, and relinquish your will. Perfection in God’s service equals doing God’s will always. By giving up what you’d prefer and wholeheartedly embracing an ordinary parish, despite its lack of charasmatic services you have an opportunity to please God. Remember to turn every occasion into an occasion of grace-- that’s how the saints became saints! 👍

-Rob
 
Catholics believe: The bread and wine change substantially into the Body and Blood of Christ. Hence, there is no longer any bread or wine left.
Lutherans believe: The words of institution cause Christ to be present, in, with and under the Eucharistic species. Hence both Christ and bread are present, for instance.
Hmm … Luther came at transubstantiation (which he did profess faith in; he simply couldn’t grasp it) from an angle seeming logical to him at the time: It was necessary, by his reasoning, that the fact that the accidents of the bread and wine remained must have some easy solution. Not being familiar with the philosophical reasoning that you have just presented me with, he was unable to reach a satisfactory explanation, and so consubstantiation was born. However, let it be noted in his favor that he fought most vehemently against Zwingli’s views (memorialism) regarding the Sacrament.
I especially appreciate his reason-- if bread were in the Eucharist, then we could not worship it!
A brilliant point. Tell me, do Lutherans adore the Host?
don’t mean to spoil your fun, but… just as another idea. I understand you are looking for a charasmatic Catholic church. However, if you can’t find one, offer your dissapointment up to God, and relinquish your will. Perfection in God’s service equals doing God’s will always.
This I have realized. I have been considering finding perhaps just a typical Catholic church which will meet what I believe to be the imbedded community standards I seem to hold. I really mean no disrespect, but I do not think, in any case, Our Lady is a suitable home. I have already relinquished the notion that a Charismatic Catholic church is my ONLY option, but I maintain it is preferable. I did come across a couple possible options on the net, so I’m getting there.

I have heard it said by a friend (passionately anti-Catholic, sadly though) that “God will always bless you in trying to seek him.” I have held this truth tightly.
My name’s Rob, and I’d appreciate if you’d keep me in your prayer intentions. If you’d give me your first name, I’d be happy to pray for you as well. I’m doing my best to persevere in prayer as well.
I will certainly do so. I’m Brandon, and I’m glad to hear that through our prayers we might in some way be united within the Great Communion.

By the way, I talked to my friend’s mom a little about my choice to become Catholic. She was curious, and we talked, and I promised I’d highlight some Scriptures for her, and she said she’d do the same. Well, what began as a modest outline, a few Scriptural quotations, ended up a ten-page+ essay on the Faith. I was wondering if you would like to see and perhaps offer some advice, as much of this is new to me. Shalom.

(I have as of yet to pray the Rosary tonight, and I certainly need to.)
 
Hmm … Luther came at transubstantiation (which he did profess faith in; he simply couldn’t grasp it) from an angle seeming logical to him at the time: It was necessary, by his reasoning, that the fact that the accidents of the bread and wine remained must have some easy solution. Not being familiar with the philosophical reasoning that you have just presented me with, he was unable to reach a satisfactory explanation, and so consubstantiation was born. However, let it be noted in his favor that he fought most vehemently against Zwingli’s views (memorialism) regarding the Sacrament.
I have sympathy for Luther. He rightly defended the Real Presence in the Eucharist, and as an ordained priest of God, validly consecrated the elements. It is God’s place to judge him, not mine.

I’m not sure that Luther was quite as uneducated as you suppose, he had been trained as an Augustinian monk. The problem more likely lies in the particular brand of theology which he was taught which made it difficult to understand-- nominalism with its overemphasis on God’s will (leading to voluntarism), and the views it would effect on the ability of reason and the extent of knowledge. I think he was familiar with it, at least in part, but was not trained in it.
A brilliant point. Tell me, do Lutherans adore the Host?
High Lutherans, perhaps. It depends. Lutherans have a wide gamut of beliefs. For instance, most Lutherans believe that after the service the presence of Christ in the Eucharistic species ceases to exist. Hence, these Lutherans will not reserve the sacrament in tabernacles. However, Lutherans are also free to believe the Real Presence persists after the service, afaik, but it seems from my research to be very much a minority position.

So yes, I think I’ve heard of adoration by Lutherans… I think, but it’s hardly a common practice.
This I have realized. I have been considering finding perhaps just a typical Catholic church which will meet what I believe to be the imbedded community standards I seem to hold. I really mean no disrespect, but I do not think, in any case, Our Lady is a suitable home. I have already relinquished the notion that a Charismatic Catholic church is my ONLY option, but I maintain it is preferable. I did come across a couple possible options on the net, so I’m getting there.
Ok. It will also be difficult until you can drive to go to parishes far away. In the interim it may be necessary to go to an ordinary parish.
I have heard it said by a friend (passionately anti-Catholic, sadly though) that “God will always bless you in trying to seek him.” I have held this truth tightly.
I think so. Many approach God obscurely and by man-made paths. And yet, He lets Himself be found. For those who approach God in Jesus Christ… how much more surely will He bless you.
I will certainly do so. I’m Brandon, and I’m glad to hear that through our prayers we might in some way be united within the Great Communion.
Nice. Alright. 👍
By the way, I talked to my friend’s mom a little about my choice to become Catholic. She was curious, and we talked, and I promised I’d highlight some Scriptures for her, and she said she’d do the same. Well, what began as a modest outline, a few Scriptural quotations, ended up a ten-page+ essay on the Faith. I was wondering if you would like to see and perhaps offer some advice, as much of this is new to me. Shalom.
Sure thing. I don’t know if you can send it by private message, so I’ll PM you about it.

-Rob
 
might I suggest you ask about a Cenacle of Divine Mercy in your diocese? and if possible–join it. or atleast ask if you can get a copy of St. Faustina’s Diary AND the Cenacle Formation Manual to help you study it. You will also need a NAB Bible and a Catechism. You can message me privately if you can’t get these or find them online or eBay and I can see if my Cenacle has an extra set—it is about $20 for all the books we use-not including the Bible or Catechism. But this particular study has greatly deepened my appreciation of the Real Presence of the Eucharist and my sense of Mysticism and Charism. I think you have just not been able to get beneath the surface of the Catholic Church yet. There are many many studies and cenacles and lay orders and such that have very very energetic, charismatic, deep spiritual treasures to be found.
Ravyn
 
Hello everyone in Christ,

I wanted to find our how your search is going for a Charismatic Catholic Group to pray with my brother. You may find that your local parish does indeed have a Charismatic prayer group that you can attend. Check the bulletin. If not, try at another parish in your area too.

But seeing that you are still young, I was wondering if I could give you a link to a wonderful group of teens who are fully orhodox catholics and also charismatics. The are called Lifeteen.

lifeteen.com/

I believe that they are meant for you becuase today I got a word from the Lord about Lifeteen but didn’t know what it was for until I found this thread today. Praise the Lord! And I haven’t even thought of life teen for a long while now. I pray that this message finds you hungry for the prayer in the Holy Spirit and the powerful annointing of Jesus Christ in your life.

antoher good site for finding out what catholics and charismatics share is ccc.garg.com

God bless you all!
 
I will never completely understand how Jesus gives us his flesh and blood.

When we read the book of **Exodus in chapter 12 **we see a shadow of what is to come.

The Passover Meal.

The Jewish people are told to sacrifice a lamb…—> Jesus

Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes…------->The cross

They shall eat the flesh that same night…-----> **The Eucharist **

This is the Passover Meal…-------> Jesus is our Passover Meal

And it is ok, it is a mystery of our faith.
I don’t need to completely understand it, I believe Jesus.

We humans have to give everything a name.
So we did.
We called the miracle of God changing the substance of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Jesus “Transubstantiation” because the “substance” of the bread and wine are change into another “substance” The Body and Blood of Jesus.
It is just a name given so that we know what we are talking about.
So if you believe in Jesus when He said “This is my body” you believe in transubstantiation.
Basically.

Remember the New Testament is concealed in the Old.
And the Old Testament is revealed in the New.

You honor your mother and father by following Jesus.
Ask your parents lots and lots of questions.

1st. How old is our church and who founded it.

2nd. How many churches did Jesus build?

3rd. Why is our Bible missing 7 books? And who removed them?

4th. What church was Jesus talking about in verses

Matt 16:18, 1st Tim 3:15, Matt 18:17

if there were no Protestants around?

Ask and pray and read!

We don’t learn if we don’t ask. May God Bless your family.
 
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