For EF do you prefer SSPX, FSSP, or ICKSP?

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It’s simply fact. Pope Benedict was clear that SSPX priests exercise no licit ministry within the Church period. +Francis has been exceedingly generous and, first on a temporary basis and then indefinitely, has granted faculties for SSPX priests to hear confessions. Prior to that they simulated the sacrament - it was utterly null and void. +Francis has now made it possible for SSPX priests to validly witness marriage vows, but this is a very recent development and still limited. No SSPX priest has faculties to celebrate public Masses nor to preach. SSPX is not in Schism, but nor is their situation completely licit.
 
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You have started attending the SSPX fairly recently, haven’t you? I can tell because you don’t seem to be totally brainwashed yet.

It’s not too late. Just stop attending SSPX chapels and find an EF Mass elsewhere.

It’s safer to attend Mass that’s licit, anyway, right?
 
They were excommunicated weren’t they? They reject Vatican II and ordained Bishops against Pope JPII’s permission. I believe that last part was the main reason why.
 
No. Because the book “The Catechism of the Crisis of the Catholic Church” makes it pretty clear that we are in a very difficult time in the Church. Even today’s traditionalists would be considered liberal only 50 years ago. The most common prayer , Eucharistic Prayer 2 , doesn’t even once mention a sacrifice. A Protestant could comfortably use that prayer. Flag me if you must this is fact.
 
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Fr. Calmel remarked: As a result of these alterations and manipulations, the inexhaustible but well-defined riches of the consecratory rite are no longer suitably set forth. The interior dispositions required for receiving the supernatural fruits of the holy sacrifice are no longer fostered as they ought to be. The unavoidable consequences seem to be that priests and the laity cease to perceive the significance of the Mass, and the Catholic Mass more closely resembles the Protestant Supper.
 
Excommunications against the bishops were lifted by Pope Benedict, for better or worse.
 
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The ancient Offertory clearly expresses that the Mass is a sacrifice offered in propitiation for sins. The priest prays: Receive, O holy Father, almighty, eternal God, this spotless host which I, thine unworthy servant, offer unto Thee, my living and true God, for my own countless sins, offenses, and negligences, and for all here present; as also for all faithful Christians, living or dead; that it may avail for my own and for their salvation unto life eternal. Amen. In the new rite, the Offertory was suppressed and replaced by a preparation of the gifts, the text of which was taken from a Jewish table blessing: "Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life. "Besides its markedly naturalist tone (there is no allusion to supernatural truths revealed by God), this prayer completely voids the notions of sacrifice and propitiation. It is the equivalent of a simple prayer before a meal.
 
Not meaning to be rude; I wasn’t alive 50 years ago. Give me a table of differences between average Catholic then vs now (I am genuinely and non-sarcastically curious)
 
What a difference in those 50 years. Then attending what resembled a non-Catholic service would have been a violation against the First Commandment.
 
One would have to close one’s eyes not to see that the Catholic Church is suffering a grave crisis. In the 1960’s, at the time of the Second Vatican Council, there were hopes for a new springtime in the Church; exactly the opposite has come to pass. Thousands of priests have abandoned their office, and thousands of monks and religious have returned to secular life. There are very few vocations in Europe and not many in North America either; countless seminaries, convents, and religious houses have closed their doors. Many parishes lack priests, and religious congregations are obliged to abandon schools, hospitals, and homes for the aged. As Pope Paul VI lamented on June 29, 1972, “Through some crack, the smoke of Satan has entered the temple of God.” According to an article by Fabrizio de Santis in the Corriere della Sera of September 25, 1971, somewhere between 7,000 to 8,000 priests had abandoned the priesthood in Italy alone over the previous eight years. In the Church as a whole 21,320 priests were reduced to lay status between 1962 and 1972. Not included in this number are those who didn’t bother to seek official reduction to lay status.[2] From 1967 to 1974, 30,000 to 40,000 priests abandoned their vocation. These catastrophic events can be compared with the effects of the so-called Protestant Reformation of the sixteenth century.
 
Actually Missale Romanum was an Aposolic Constitution, which carried the same weight as Quo Primum and Veterum Sapientia which were never abolished but conviently ignored. Of more importance however the Council of Trent protected all received and approved rites of the Church.
 
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