For Everyone- Do you think that God really cares what church you attend?

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Say a person grows up in a secluded part of Africa and is never in any way introduced to Christ or his teachings. We know God is just, so I cannot see him limiting heaven to only people who had Christianity presented to them during their life. What fault is it of a person who has never rejected Christ but has just never known him?
That is what we entrust to God. The key phrase is “through no fault of their own” and the other key phrase " would have chosen Christ had they known of Him".

That mystery is left to God. What we do know that if they are in heaven they will be part of the one and only true church. It can be no other way or it would be false.

If you are on this board and you have been made aware of the truth and you are in obstinate denial when you die, the odds are not good.
 
we cannot say with absolute certainty that ONLY Catholics will be in heaven…no, we really can’t. I think it’s rather dangerous to start looking at our Christian brothers and sisters who may be living Christ filled lives, and telling them they will not see heaven, unless they convert to Catholicism. There are many levels of heaven…maybe Catholics will have the penthouse, but…😛

Kidding aside, Jesus was specific that no one goes to the Father except through Him. I think that for those who do not understand our faith, or have refused to accept it…I’m not sure what might happen…we can speculate. But, again–God’s mercy is more than we can give, or fathom. It has no limits.
Yes we can. Only Catholics will be in heaven. If you weren’t when you died you sure will be after you see the beatific vision. Would you be suggesting that Protestants would be in a lesser type of heaven?
 
I think what God would really want is for us to go out and help our brothers and sisters rather then judging others fate. I have a feeling we would be satisfying God and our Catholic obligation much more by working at a soup kitchen right now, reading the bible, or saying a rosary then condemning others.
 
I think what God would really want is for us to go out and help our brothers and sisters rather then judging others fate. I have a feeling we would be satisfying God and our Catholic obligation much more by working at a soup kitchen right now, reading the bible, or saying a rosary then condemning others.
why bother practicing christianity at all then, if all one must do is be kind and nice to others? if works are all that matter?
 
Yes we can. Only Catholics will be in heaven. If you weren’t when you died you sure will be after you see the beatific vision. Would you be suggesting that Protestants would be in a lesser type of heaven?
No, I’m not suggesting that.

Please explain the part I’ve bolded…thanks.
 
I think what God would really want is for us to go out and help our brothers and sisters rather then judging others fate. I have a feeling we would be satisfying God and our Catholic obligation much more by working at a soup kitchen right now, reading the bible, or saying a rosary then condemning others.
Bingo. Actually, if we are practicing Christians…we will be doing the above freely and joyfully.:o

It is not up for us to judge others’ fate. Father Corapi did a segment on admonishing one another when we see a brother and sister in Christ commiting a sin, but do not condemn them.
 
No, I’m not suggesting that.

Please explain the part I’ve bolded…thanks.
OK, say for whatever reason, you died and were not Catholic. God judges your heart and you are cleansed (prepared) through purgation. Now you are ready to see God in the beatific vision. At this point you will be part of His church and one body.

Beatific Vision
The immediate [knowledge](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm) of [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) which the [angelic spirits](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm) and the [souls](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm) of the just enjoy in [Heaven](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm). It is called "vision" to distinguish it from the mediate [knowledge](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm) of [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) which the [human mind](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10321a.htm) may attain in the present life. And since in beholding [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) face to face the created [intelligence](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08066a.htm) finds perfect [happiness](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07131b.htm), the vision is termed "beatific". For further explanation of the subject, see [HEAVEN](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm).
 
I have grown up Catholic and was Mormon and both stress a ‘true’ church. While other Churches say they are right because they are founded on Jesus and not some leader. It got me thinking. Does God care what church we belong to?
You better believe He does! He left us one CHURCH, not a bunch of CHURCHES. Of course He wants us all to know and follow the Truth He left with His only True Church - why in the world would anyone ever think He would want anything else? :rolleyes:

~Liza
 
I think what God would really want is for us to go out and help our brothers and sisters rather then judging others fate. I have a feeling we would be satisfying God and our Catholic obligation much more by working at a soup kitchen right now, reading the bible, or saying a rosary then condemning others.
Who is condemning others?
 
Let me put things straight, god doesn’t care, never did, never will…

If he did care, then why did he let things happen like the two world wars and other situations like that?

What’s your reason for that?!?!
 
OK, say for whatever reason, you died and were not Catholic. God judges your heart and you are cleansed (prepared) through purgation. Now you are ready to see God in the beatific vision. At this point you will be part of His church and one body.

Beatific Vision
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 The immediate [knowledge](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm) of [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) which the [angelic spirits](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01476d.htm) and the [souls](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14153a.htm) of the just enjoy in [Heaven](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm). It is called "vision" to distinguish it from the mediate [knowledge](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08673a.htm) of [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) which the [human mind](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10321a.htm) may attain in the present life. And since in beholding [God](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06608a.htm) face to face the created [intelligence](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08066a.htm) finds perfect [happiness](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07131b.htm), the vision is termed "beatific". For further explanation of the subject, see [HEAVEN](http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07170a.htm).
so, you believe all non believers will be sent to Purgatory? :confused: I don’t believe that is the true definition of Purgatory.
 
Let me put things straight, god doesn’t care, never did, never will…

If he did care, then why did he let things happen like the two world wars and other situations like that?

What’s your reason for that?!?!
God put us in charge of the world, and lets us run it how we want to. Because He has given us this authority over the world, He doesn’t step in to change our decisions, even at times when He thinks we aren’t making the best possible choices.

We will be judged on our own personal contributions to these decisions at the time of the Judgment Day.
 
so, you believe all non believers will be sent to Purgatory? :confused: I don’t believe that is the true definition of Purgatory.
No - That is not what I meant. We know that if you make it to purgatory you will attain heaven. So for most of us imperfect sinners will either be in hell, or purgatory then heaven.

You cannot go to heaven unless you have been purified. You do not have the capacity to experience the complete beatific vision otherwise.
 
Let me put things straight, god doesn’t care, never did, never will…

If he did care, then why did he let things happen like the two world wars and other situations like that?

What’s your reason for that?!?!
the fact that evil exists in the world is normally ascribed to the absence of god in the affairs of men (and women). it is the result of humans not doing god’s will.
 
No - That is not what I meant. We know that if you make it to purgatory you will attain heaven. So for most of us imperfect sinners will either be in hell, or purgatory then heaven.

You cannot go to heaven unless you have been purified. You do not have the capacity to experience the complete beatific vision otherwise.
If a person dies in a state of grace, albeit an imperfect sinner as you are saying, that person’s soul could experience purgatory. But, not all souls will experience it…some souls will go immediately to heaven, upon receiving judgement. Some will not.

The interesting thing is that this is not just exclusively a Catholic belief–Jews and Mormons have a different way of describing their ‘version’ of purification, but it is a ‘place’ whereby souls will be purified before entering eternal life.

Regardless…not sure how we got on a tangent about Purgatory…lol, but I don’t believe that *only *Catholics, who were practicing Catholics on this earth, will be in heaven.
 
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Regardless…not sure how we got on a tangent about Purgatory…lol, but I don’t believe that *only *Catholics, who were practicing Catholics on this earth, will be in heaven.
I never claimed that. But it is true outside the Church their is no salvation. The Church is necessary even if we are unsure how it happens.
 
I never claimed that. But it is true outside the Church their is no salvation. The Church is necessary even if we are unsure how it happens.
I’m not sure what you mean by ‘how it happens.’ Through God’s grace, we have the ability to embrace the salvation that comes from a relationship with Christ. If we had no relationship with Christ (let’s say, we purposely choose this, I’m not speaking of people who have never been shown the teachings of Christ), then we are exercising our free will, to not choose Him. God doesn’t force us against our wills to accept Him…to have a relationship with His Son. I am confused by what you mean by ‘unsure of how it happens.’ It implies that even if we discarded a relationship with Christ in this lifetime, that God will repair that in the afterlife. God’s mercy will prevail – we know this – no matter what. But, it is up to us, through our free will, to embrace God’s graces in this lifetime, and to embrace salvation, through Jesus’ death on the cross.

Maybe we are on the same page, but my understanding is limited, with a message board.
 
I have grown up Catholic and was Mormon and both stress a ‘true’ church. While other Churches say they are right because they are founded on Jesus and not some leader. It got me thinking. Does God care what church we belong to?
yes,the church with the fullness of the truth,i believe (notice,I believe, not a catholic teaching) that he tolerates the rest of them for a few reasons, were born into this mess,and the word…repentance…
 
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