For Mormons - How Much Do You Really Know About Joseph Smith?

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This is a rather big mistake they’ve got there. I bet they change it then pretend they never made it in the first place.
True. Isaac was married to Rebekah and her alone. The bible says nothing about Isaac having another wife.

Of course, that never stopped the Mormons from making things up to suit their agenda.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
Has there ever been a GC talk on Mary? I cant ever remember a talk in my wards on Mary

I cant remember any. But that does not mean there hasnt been one.
 
In fact, D&C 132 says that Isaac had many wives and concubines. Oops!
 
Has there ever been a GC talk on Mary? I cant ever remember a talk in my wards on Mary

I cant remember any. But that does not mean there hasnt been one.
When I was LDS, the common saying among Mormons was “Mary was just God’s brood mare”.

Paul
 
In fact, D&C 132 says that Isaac had many wives and concubines. Oops!
I guess Isaac’s many wives and concubines are one of those plain and precious truths that were removed from the Bible by evil and conspiring men?
 
In your view of Mormonism, does Abraham and Sarah represent being the father and mother of humanity, or something like that? I found a Mormon website called Mormon Interpreter, and there’s an interesting article there by an Andrew Smith, regarding Abraham, Sarah, and Hagar. The article seems to allocate the Blessed Virgin Mary (not the term they use for her) to the same sort of role as that of Hagar. Abraham and Sarah are like a new Adam and Eve (the first parents of humanity) and Abraham and Sarah are sort of like the second parents. Hagar’s son goes on the become the patriarch of the Ishmaelites (which seems to somehow seems important to Mormons), which seems to have some sort of correlation to the Blessed Virgin Mary (an infallible human like Hagar, according to the Mormon author), who gives birth to Jesus.

It’s all rather bizarre, and has no relation to the New Testament or Christianity as we Catholics (or Protestants) know it, but I’m just trying to figure out how Mormon’s think, and why there’s this focus on Hagar and Abraham. I have to wonder if it has more importance or significance than just condoning plural marriage, though maybe this explanation on the website that isn’t all that common among Mormons. But it might explain why they think that the BVM isn’t very special, I think.
You’d have to ask the author of that article what he meant, but; we believe Abraham to be an important figure. We see him as equal in stature to Adam and Noah. I suppose there could be some symbology in Hagar’s life similar to Issac’s life. What it is, I don’t know.
 
Exactly! Some of the women Joseph “married” were already married to apostles or otherwise faithful LDS. Were they just not as “worthy” as Joseph Smith? It is all so terrible and abusive.
“Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife”

Sounds like a braking of that commandment, and in a worse way based on LDS doctrine.
It’s done in an eternal way.

🤷

When one spends time to think and deconstruct LDS doctrine, it just turns up yucky.
 
There is no need for you to be sarcastic.

And it is convenient for you to discount my experiences in the LDS church because I am no longer a part of it. The problem with Mormonism is that I don’t have to make up stuff to make it look bad. The truth does that all on its own.
I wasn’t being sarcastic. Your experience is/was different than mine. I have never ever ever been in any LDS congregation where we celebrated Joseph Smith’s birthday. I honestly didn’t know it was that close to Christmas. Every Christmas I’ve ever been in in the LDS church as always celebrated the birth of Christ. Usually we have a special fireside dedicated to Jesus Christ’s birth and mission, and the sacrament meeting preceding Christmas always has talks centered around His birth. In general, I find your experience unique and it doesn’t match up with my experiences or that every Christmas the First Presidency broadcasts a devotional on Christmas celebrating Christ’s birth. No offence intended, we just have different experiences.
 
Why did Joseph Smith seal himself to other men’s wife (men who were still living)
Why were they not sealed to their own husbands?

That, even within LDS doctrine, is so abusive and demeaning of women. Basically he robs the other men of their “eternal companions”
Good question. That’s what I asked and since we can’t decide or judge others, I have to go with what they decided to do and since none of them complained, then it’s a non-issue.
 
True. Isaac was married to Rebekah and her alone. The bible says nothing about Isaac having another wife.

Of course, that never stopped the Mormons from making things up to suit their agenda.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
There was evidence that Isaac practiced polygamy. Esau and Jacob were so totally different genetically as to suggest different mothers. But Joseph didn’t work of extrapolations like we do.
 
There was evidence that Isaac practiced polygamy. Esau and Jacob were so totally different genetically as to suggest different mothers. But Joseph didn’t work of extrapolations like we do.
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Yeah that’s the ticket, twins fighting in the womb have…different mothers.

And yet again with making stuff up, how in the world would anyone have any knowledge of Jacob and Esaus’ genetic make up?
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KJV:
Genesis 25:21 And Isaac intreated the Lord for his wife, because she was barren: and the Lord was intreated of him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
22 And the children struggled together within her; and she said, If it be so, why am I thus? And she went to enquire of the Lord.
23 And the Lord said unto her, Two nations are in thy womb, and two manner of people shall be separated from thy bowels; and the one people shall be stronger than the other people; and the elder shall serve the younger.
24 And when her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.
25 And the first came out red, all over like an hairy garment; and they called his name Esau.
26 And after that came his brother out, and his hand took hold on Esau’s heel; and his name was called Jacob: and Isaac was threescore years old when she bare them.
 
There was evidence that Isaac practiced polygamy. Esau and Jacob were so totally different genetically as to suggest different mothers. But Joseph didn’t work of extrapolations like we do.
Nonsense. I have an older brother who looks nothing like me. Most people would never guess that we are related. Unless they know our entire extended family. Then they would see that I take after my maternal grandmother’s family (immigrants from England) and my brother takes after my paternal grandmother’s family (French Canadians). In fact, my late maternal grandmother always said that I am a dead ringer for her brother who died long before I was born, while our paternal relatives always marveled at how much my brother looks like my grandmother’s father.

Brothers who don’t look similar does not imply having different mothers.

You’re really stretching here.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
 
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Yeah that’s the ticket, twins fighting in the womb have…different mothers.

And yet again with making stuff up, how in the world would anyone have any knowledge of Jacob and Esaus’ genetic make up?
Oh that’s right, I forgot they were twins! Now it’s really funny!

Maybe now he’ll claim that since they were fraternal twins maybe they had different fathers. After all, he thinks that God approves of polyandry too.
 
There was evidence that Isaac practiced polygamy. Esau and Jacob were so totally different genetically as to suggest different mothers. But Joseph didn’t work of extrapolations like we do.
OY VEY!

Go back and read that part of the Bible please.
 
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Yeah that’s the ticket, twins fighting in the womb have…different mothers.

And yet again with making stuff up, how in the world would anyone have any knowledge of Jacob and Esaus’ genetic make up?
Glad someone caught that.

Not sure why BoJ has this wrong.
 
:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl: Yeah that’s the ticket, twins fighting in the womb have…different mothers.

And yet again with making stuff up, how in the world would anyone have any knowledge of Jacob and Esaus’ genetic make up?
Yes. I completely forgot that one came out holding other by the foot. Enjoy it. You got me on that one.
 
There was evidence that Isaac practiced polygamy. Esau and Jacob were so totally different genetically as to suggest different mothers. But Joseph didn’t work of extrapolations like we do.
Funny, I am as hairy as a bear, but my younger brother, same parents is blond and has no hair on his body. Go figure.
 
Nonsense. I have an older brother who looks nothing like me. Most people would never guess that we are related. Unless they know our entire extended family. Then they would see that I take after my maternal grandmother’s family (immigrants from England) and my brother takes after my paternal grandmother’s family (French Canadians). In fact, my late maternal grandmother always said that I am a dead ringer for her brother who died long before I was born, while our paternal relatives always marveled at how much my brother looks like my grandmother’s father.

Brothers who don’t look similar does not imply having different mothers.

You’re really stretching here.

Paul (formerly LDS, now happily Catholic)
Stretching indeed. My younger brother thought he was illegitimate because he is a blond. Then I pointed out that all of our cousins are blond headed or ginger. If anything it is I who is illegitimate. I am the only one in the extended family who has dark hair and a hairy body! And the only one able to grow a beard.
 
Stretching indeed. My younger brother thought he was illegitimate because he is a blond. Then I pointed out that all of our cousins are blond headed or ginger. If anything it is I who is illegitimate. I am the only one in the extended family who has dark hair and a hairy body! And the only one able to grow a beard.
That’s too funny. My boys look like exact opposites. My older boy has dark hair, dark eyes, yellow skin undertones and is skinny. He is also hairier (to the extent that a 5 year old can be hairy). He already has plans on growing out a beard just like his daddy. My little one is blond (more of a dirty blond), has blue eyes, pink skin undertones and a solid build. He has no plans to grow a beard (at this point) but he really wants to grow out his hair. He hates going to the barber!
 
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