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Pepband Mom,

In response to your post #27, I strongly urge you to spend some time reading the ‘fine literature’ (tongue in cheek) articulating Catholic doctrine, beliefs, and practices at Chick Productions

In a matter of a few minutes, I discovered they teach:
  • Catholics are not Christian and the church was founded by the devil
  • Jesuits are responsible for great evil, including the assassinations of President Lincoln and Kennedy
  • ETC, etc. Etc
Their lies are so bad it’s ALMOST commical. How is it that they can get away with such vile slander against the Catholic Church? Probably for the same legal reasons that the LDS attack video you were defending is able to be published.
 
Tony888 said:
Pepband Mom,

In response to your post #27,
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You did not response to her post.

This is how we know that Mormonism is completely made up. It cannot be defended. All you can do is throw stones. Be aware we can defend with factual history and reason every stone you throw.
 
Stephen,
Comparing “The Godmakers” to the Jack Chick anti-Catholic tracts is an appropriate and educational response.to #27

How does Chick Productions get away with their slander and outright lies against the Catholic Church?

I know they are lies but am not a lawyer, I don’t know how they are protected. Same for producers of “Godmakers”
 
Does the LDS teach that Joseph Smith was actually a Prophet? On whose authority does this come from?
 
Jjarek, serious questions have always been answered on this forum with sincere replies from LDS. Parker’s posts are some of the best in this area…

The Godmakers does not propose sincere questions, just like a Chick Tract distorts reality. Both are vile and have no place in a forumn that demands sincere dialog and charity. Why do people need to fabricate differences when there a legitimate ones, like baptism for the dead and the Godhead vs Trinity.
 
eo_chibears said:
Does the LDS teach that Joseph Smith was actually a Prophet? On whose authority does this come from?
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They consider Joseph Smith as a prophet. The authority was given to him by a visitation from the Apostles, James, Peter and John.
 
eo_chibears said:
So Joseph Smith said they gave him authority?
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I might get this wrong but…

Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith were visited by Jesus Christ AND Heavenly Father who baptised them. This is called the First Vision

They were later visited by the 3 Apostles who gave them the Priesthood.
 
blueadept said:
I might get this wrong but…
Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith were visited by Jesus Christ AND Heavenly Father who baptised them. This is called the First Vision

They were later visited by the 3 Apostles who gave them the Priesthood.
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But of course, we have only their word for it. And there are several conflicting versions of the “First Vision” legend.
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hosemonkey said:
But of course, we have only their word for it. And there are several conflicting versions of the “First Vision” legend.
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Yes there is…🙂

Regardles, while my wife refused to allow me to have a crucifix in the home, I refused to have a picture of the First Vision in the home. Go figure…:rolleyes:
 
Tony888 said:
How is it that they can get away with such vile slander against the Catholic Church? Probably for the same legal reasons that the LDS attack video you were defending is able to be published.
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Well, libel and slander laws are quite lax in the US compared to other countries. Libel judgments are far more common in the UK, for instance (which is ironic, considering that the UK tabloid press is much worse than anything in the US). I believe you have to prove that the defendant 1) knowingly published false information and 2) did so with malicious intent. That latter requirement is notoriously difficult to prove.

Any lawyer could simply claim that 1) the people who publish those Chick Tracts actually believe everything in them and 2) they believe they’re helping the world by doing so, so their intent is not malicious. Honestly, I’ll bet they actually do believe everything they publish, and there are no laws against being stupid.
 
bearer said:
If we were all guided by the Holy Spirit, we’d all understand things in the same way, for He cannot teach us wrong.
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No, but we can be mistaken about our understanding and interpretation.
eo_chibears said:
Does the LDS teach that Joseph Smith was actually a Prophet? On whose authority does this come from?
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He authority of the collective and personal testimony from the Holy Spirit of the truth of his words and of the Book of Mormon.

But posting links such as he OPs isn’t?
blueadept said:
They consider Joseph Smith as a prophet. The authority was given to him by a visitation from the Apostles, James, Peter and John.
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Not to mention Elijah, John the Baptist, Moses, Jesus Christ and God the Father.
blueadept said:
I might get this wrong but…

Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith were visited by Jesus Christ AND Heavenly Father who baptised them. This is called the First Vision

They were later visited by the 3 Apostles who gave them the Priesthood.
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No.
Sorry.
Upon his sincere prayer to discover which church was correct, Joseph Smith saw God the Father & Jesus Christ who spoke to him and explained that while many/most of them had a portion of the truth, none of them taught the full truth of the gospel correctly, or had the true priesthood authority any longer.
Joseph was later visited by a heavenly messenger, Moroni, who directed the young boy to where he (Moroni) had buried an ancient record many years previously. Also buried with it were a set of seer stones set in a bow and breastplate. Using these instruments, and by the power and wisdom of God, Joseph translated the writing from the records into what we now know as The Book of Mormon.
During translation, questions arose regarding such things as baptism, authority etc.
Firstly Joseph and Oliver Cowdery (I think) were visited by John the Baptist who conferred upon them the levitical priesthood: that same authority held by the temple officers of the Israelites. They then baptised each other.
Later Peter James and John visited and conferred the full priesthood of God upon them (the power to ‘bind on earth and in heaven’).
Other keys were then conferred by other prophetic messengers at various other times.
 
Petrichor said:
No, but we can be mistaken about our understanding and interpretation.

He authority of the collective and personal testimony from the Holy Spirit of the truth of his words and of the Book of Mormon.

But posting links such as he OPs isn’t?

Not to mention Elijah, John the Baptist, Moses, Jesus Christ and God the Father.

No.
Sorry.
Upon his sincere prayer to discover which church was correct, Joseph Smith saw God the Father & Jesus Christ who spoke to him and explained that while many/most of them had a portion of the truth, none of them taught the full truth of the gospel correctly, or had the true priesthood authority any longer.
Joseph was later visited by a heavenly messenger, Moroni, who directed the young boy to where he (Moroni) had buried an ancient record many years previously. Also buried with it were a set of seer stones set in a bow and breastplate. Using these instruments, and by the power and wisdom of God, Joseph translated the writing from the records into what we now know as The Book of Mormon.
During translation, questions arose regarding such things as baptism, authority etc.
Firstly Joseph and Oliver Cowdery (I think) were visited by John the Baptist who conferred upon them the levitical priesthood: that same authority held by the temple officers of the Israelites. They then baptised each other.
Later Peter James and John visited and conferred the full priesthood of God upon them (the power to ‘bind on earth and in heaven’).
Other keys were then conferred by other prophetic messengers at various other times.
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Whatever became of the ancient record that had been buried?
 
Petrichor said:
No, but we can be mistaken about our understanding and interpretation.

Boy, Joseph Smith sure was wrong, wasn’t he?
He authority of the collective and personal testimony from the Holy Spirit of the truth of his words and of the Book of Mormon.
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Again, unsupported testimony, and two accomplices backing up each other’s story.

I would certainly not buy a used car on such evidence.
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Petrichor said:
No, but we can be mistaken about our understanding and interpretation.

He authority of the collective and personal testimony from the Holy Spirit of the truth of his words and of the Book of Mormon.

But posting links such as he OPs isn’t?

Not to mention Elijah, John the Baptist, Moses, Jesus Christ and God the Father.

No.
Sorry.
Upon his sincere prayer to discover which church was correct, Joseph Smith saw God the Father & Jesus Christ who spoke to him and explained that while many/most of them had a portion of the truth, none of them taught the full truth of the gospel correctly, or had the true priesthood authority any longer.
Joseph was later visited by a heavenly messenger, Moroni, who directed the young boy to where he (Moroni) had buried an ancient record many years previously. Also buried with it were a set of seer stones set in a bow and breastplate. Using these instruments, and by the power and wisdom of God, Joseph translated the writing from the records into what we now know as The Book of Mormon.
During translation, questions arose regarding such things as baptism, authority etc.
Firstly Joseph and Oliver Cowdery (I think) were visited by John the Baptist who conferred upon them the levitical priesthood: that same authority held by the temple officers of the Israelites. They then baptised each other.
Later Peter James and John visited and conferred the full priesthood of God upon them (the power to ‘bind on earth and in heaven’).
Other keys were then conferred by other prophetic messengers at various other times.
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Thank you for the full story. The bottom-line is if you don’t buy the 1st part which is the 1st Vision, you’re not likely to buy the rest of the visitations. But thank you for providing them. Maybe some day I’ll take the time to remember them…lol.
 
Petrichor said:
No, but we can be mistaken about our understanding and interpretation.

He authority of the collective and personal testimony from the Holy Spirit of the truth of his words and of the Book of Mormon.

But posting links such as he OPs isn’t?

Not to mention Elijah, John the Baptist, Moses, Jesus Christ and God the Father.

No.
Sorry.
Upon his sincere prayer to discover which church was correct, Joseph Smith saw God the Father & Jesus Christ who spoke to him and explained that while many/most of them had a portion of the truth, none of them taught the full truth of the gospel correctly, or had the true priesthood authority any longer.
Joseph was later visited by a heavenly messenger, Moroni, who directed the young boy to where he (Moroni) had buried an ancient record many years previously. Also buried with it were a set of seer stones set in a bow and breastplate. Using these instruments, and by the power and wisdom of God, Joseph translated the writing from the records into what we now know as The Book of Mormon.
During translation, questions arose regarding such things as baptism, authority etc.
Firstly Joseph and Oliver Cowdery (I think) were visited by John the Baptist who conferred upon them the levitical priesthood: that same authority held by the temple officers of the Israelites. They then baptised each other.
Later Peter James and John visited and conferred the full priesthood of God upon them (the power to ‘bind on earth and in heaven’).
Other keys were then conferred by other prophetic messengers at various other times.
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You actually believe this? Really?

Honestly I thought you were all kidding. :whacky:
 
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Miriam1947:
You actually believe this? Really?

Honestly I thought you were all kidding. :whacky:
No, sadly enough they are not kidding. I believe that if you tell a big enough whopper enough times, gullible people will begin to believe it. Especially if you sweeten the pot with things like godhood, ruling your own planet, masonic rituals and lots of wives… Yeah, I could see the attraction. Too bad that it was all a figment of Joseph Smith’s imagination.:cool:
 
Petrichor said:
No.
Sorry.
Upon his sincere prayer to discover which church was correct, Joseph Smith saw God the Father & Jesus Christ who spoke to him and explained that while many/most of them had a portion of the truth, none of them taught the full truth of the gospel correctly, or had the true priesthood authority any longer.
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No, sorry this is not what JS said. This is what he said and it is nothing like you claim:
I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all awrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those bprofessors were all ccorrupt; that: “they ddraw near to me with their lips, but their ehearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the fcommandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the gpower thereof.”
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