but the effects of original sin remain: namely concupiscence and death. the Blessed Virgin since she was born without original sin, was preserved from its effects. through sin, death entered the world. death and concupiscence are inherited from our parents–we have a fallen state. the Blessed Virgin did notI wanted to add that it is at the Council of Trent that the “stain” of original sin is first mentioned. It states that the Sacrament of Baptism makes every person “innocent, without stain, pure, no longer hateful, but beloved sons of God.”
the Blessed Virgin did not need to be baptized. she was born in a state of holiness and justice.This proves the fact that the grace given to Mary at her IC is no different from the grace given to every person at Baptism. Conclusively, it is simply baloney (no offense to baloney-lovers) for non-Catholics to claim that Mary is different from us SIMPLY because she received the grace of baptism before anyone else.
I see you are of the “Immortalist” camp who believe that Mary did not die, or at least that if she died, it was only because she willfully chose death. That’s a pious Latin theologoumenon related to the dogma that I have no obligation to believe.but the effects of original sin remain: namely concupiscence and death. the Blessed Virgin since she was born without original sin, was preserved from its effects. through sin, death entered the world. death and concupiscence are inherited from our parents–we have a fallen state. the Blessed Virgin did notthe Blessed Virgin did not need to be baptized. she was born in a state of holiness and justice.
Who ever said she was?the Blessed Virgin did not need to be baptized. she was born in a state of holiness and justice
creation is subject to decay as well as a concequence of the fall. though being subject to death is not original sin, which is a privation of original justice and grace, the effects of that first sin is death. if you are preserved at the moment of conception from original sin, you can’t be subject to physical corruption.I see you are of the “Immortalist” camp who believe that Mary did not die, or at least that if she died, it was only because she willfully chose death.
I think this goes too far. Mary’s generation was natural. She had an unglorified human body just like anyone else. The corruptibility of Mary’s body was not taken away by the grace of the IC any more than the corrputibility of our bodies is not taken away by the Grace of Baptism. Besides the dogma does not say she was preserved from original sin, only that she was preserved from the STAIN of original sin. EACH of us has the stain of original sin wiped out at Baptism.creation is subject to decay as well as a concequence of the fall. though being subject to death is not original sin, which is a privation of original justice and grace, the effects of that first sin is death. if you are preserved at the moment of conception from original sin, you can’t be subject to physical corruption.
I think what some Latins have done is imposed an addition to the dogma of the IC that is simply not there. The dogma specifically states that she was preserved from the STAIN of original sin, NOT original sin per se.the latins figured this out. the EO have not. somethings are better understood in the east, some in the west. doesn’t make one wrong and the other right.
it’s open to debate. the church has never dogmatized whether the BVM was prone to physical corruption. most believe that she did die before she was went to heaven.I think what some Latins have done is imposed an addition to the dogma of the IC that is simply not there. The dogma specifically states that she was preserved from the STAIN of original sin, NOT original sin per se.