For Protestants: How many of you believe in OSAS?

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Manny,

OSAS people also believe one can sin and need to repent. They just believe that there is nothing you can do to “lose” your salvation. And yes certain passages in Hebrews give them fits and is usually ignored.

So the poll is not entirely accurate. I voted I do not believe in OSAS, though years ago I did. The SBC does teach this, if not in exact wording, in thought, deed and intent. My parents who are methodist hold to this also, OSAS.

May I ask the purpose of the poll. Are you interested in trying to understand OSAS?
 
MarkBrown said:
Manny,

OSAS people also believe one can sin and need to repent.
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I think Manny meant “can sin, putting oneself in danger of damnation, and need to repent in order to be restored to a saving relationship with Christ.”

Edwin
 
MarkBrown said:
Manny,

OSAS people also believe one can sin and need to repent. They just believe that there is nothing you can do to “lose” your salvation. And yes certain passages in Hebrews give them fits and is usually ignored.

So the poll is not entirely accurate. I voted I do not believe in OSAS, though years ago I did. The SBC does teach this, if not in exact wording, in thought, deed and intent. My parents who are methodist hold to this also, OSAS.

May I ask the purpose of the poll. Are you interested in trying to understand OSAS?
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From my understanding from Non-Catholic Christians who I know, they claim you cannot lose your salvation once you accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Savior. Not even future sins can separate a Christian from the Lord. His eternal salvation is secured.

If you say it is different than the one I write, then your Protestant friends who told me this is wrong.
 
well they are wrong.😃 They approach salvation as a work, as in what you do and then bind God to that salvation. OSAS works like this: make a decision, surrender to God and He will save you. then nothing you do will seperate you from God. You can sin and commit horrible sins, never go back to church, never pray, denounce God and guess what…because you prayed and asked God, well God is bound. Your salvation is secure.:eek:

Now what heresy does that sound like…and do not say protestantism…I know a couple of catholics that hold to OSAS except the catholic version.😉

Neither are biblical or taught, in the case of the catholics, by the church. It is a brand of antinomianism. Some, note I said some, dispys fall into this.

The website is typical of hyper dispys who are KJV Onlyists. To them, you and I (manny) are in the same boat heading to the lake of fire!:rolleyes:
 
OSAS is perhaps the most odd of all new ideas. (I know my version of new differs from some). It is definitely taught in the SBC but listening to the prayers of many Southern baptist I know it’s not a universal belief within that denom. Being schooled at Jerry Falwels beloved Liberty U. I endured this oddity of a doctrine throughout my years there. I argued it with professors and came to realise they really only said it and didn’t believe it fully. They have an easy out when confronted on it: Well, that man wasn’t really saved in the first place."
But then it seems I wasn’t a god Baptist as I also wouldn’t accept the rapture theory as fact. I clearly remember a now famous author of a book series about rapture was then my prophecy professor. I caused him to scream these words at me, “WHY DON"T YOU GO AND JOIN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH!!” (which when translated from Southern Baptist amounts to a good cussing) It was funny at the time but I’m not laughing now. Seems the prophecy professor might have been speaking prophetically.
OSAS is Calvins rubbish and doesn’t pass the test of: What if it’s wrong? Be safe and repent. How odd the SBC subscribes to this as it promotes what they claim the Catholic does: Live any old way because you have an out.
 
Oh Manny, you took my meaning wrong. I meant the SBC often preaches that Catholics live a sinfilled life knowing they can recieve absolution. I am in no way saying that it’s true as I know better.
 
Cathlacostal said:
Oh Manny, you took my meaning wrong. I meant the SBC often preaches that Catholics live a sinfilled life knowing they can recieve absolution. I am in no way saying that it’s true as I know better.
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I don’t know how many spies SBC have and claimed that Catholics are living in sin. Who are they to judge their sinfulness? Can they read a man’s heart? The last time, I check only God can know our hearts. Of course, there are those who are disobedient Catholics.

Rather than than obey God and His Church, they are caught up in the world affairs and commit so many immortality. We have have Catholic politicans who are pro-choice. Despite all this, we have devout Catholics who are pro-life and do many charity work of helping the poor and the needy.
 
MarkBrown said:
Manny,

OSAS people also believe one can sin and need to repent. They just believe that there is nothing you can do to “lose” your salvation. And yes certain passages in Hebrews give them fits and is usually ignored.

So the poll is not entirely accurate. I voted I do not believe in OSAS, though years ago I did. The SBC does teach this, if not in exact wording, in thought, deed and intent. My parents who are methodist hold to this also, OSAS.

May I ask the purpose of the poll. Are you interested in trying to understand OSAS?
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Before returning back to the Catholic Church, I spent 5 years in the Independant Fundamental Baptist/King James only movement. I can recall many times hearing the preacher stating that all you have to do is pray a prayer asking Jesus to be your "personal savior and you are eternally secure. You don’t have to go to church, pray, live a good moral life, you can live any way you want. and it will not affect your salvation. One particular church would go out and witness to people to try to get them saved. This church would boast that they would have over 1000 people saved in one year however, you might see maybe 250 people in attendance on any given Sunday morning. I thank God every day for opening my eyes and leading me out of that mess.
 
You can sin and commit horrible sins, never go back to church, never pray, denounce God and guess what…because you prayed and asked God, well God is bound. Your salvation is secure.
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This is interesting.

I would like to ask any Protestant who hold OSAS a question:

If you are married to another-that is you and your betrothed placed yourself before God and man and swore an oath, a promise, to love honor and cherish, forsaking all others, 'til death do you part-and then some time later on your spouse goes out and cheats on you with another person.

After something that awful are you still required to keep your end of the oath, that is the promise?
 
strngrnrth said:
That’s atypical. It’s a KJO site, a fairly small slice of Protestantism. Of course, even the KJV says we have to run the race to get the prize.
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Unless your in the southern United States. For some reason every single nonCatholic that I come across adamantly holds to such a view of OSAS. Many of these groups wouldn’t believe some of my favorite Protestants on this forum were Christian either.😦

I think that it is the humidity here in the south, it makes people go to extremes.🤷
 
MarkBrown said:
Manny,

OSAS people also believe one can sin and need to repent. They just believe that there is nothing you can do to “lose” your salvation. And yes certain passages in Hebrews give them fits and is usually ignored.

So the poll is not entirely accurate. I voted I do not believe in OSAS, though years ago I did. The SBC does teach this, if not in exact wording, in thought, deed and intent. My parents who are Methodist hold to this also, OSAS.

May I ask the purpose of the poll. Are you interested in trying to understand OSAS?
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I find the question interesting because I deal with people who believe extreme OSAS. Many of these are good people who really are eager to serve God. But I know that they doubt my salvation because I don’t see OSAS as true. 😊

It is helpful to be able to point out that it isn’t just us crazy Catholics who don’t believe in OSAS.😛 Maybe I will finally get my Southern Baptist friends to accept that Catholic and Protestant believes on faith aren’t that radically different.
 
Didn’t catch what “OSAS” meant before I had voted…but anyway - the possibility I would have chosen is not present.

I believe that you CAN lose salvation after having accepted Christ - if you become an apostate - that is: If the devil succeeds in luring you back into slavery.

But I do not believe that there is any sin that can place you outside of salvation (except the sin of apostacy that I just mentioned). Salvation is not a revolving door:
“Now you’re saved…now you’re not…now you’re saved…now you’re not.”

PS: Option 1 (you cannot lose salvation once you accept Jesus) is as heretical as Jehova’s Witnesses’ “damnation means destruction” - theory. It has nothing going for it, except the fact that it is better in tune with political correctness and zeitgeist…which should not be a concern in the Christian church.
 
I answered the poll “*No, I do not believe in OSAS. I believe we can fall into sin and need to repent.” *I voted that way because I do not believe in OSAS, but I also don believe losing salvation is as easy as Catholic doctrine states. This stems from very different beliefs about sin and types of Sin than what I see in Catholic doctrine. Not all sin leads to hell, but all sins should be repented of.
 
Personally, I believe OSAS could be Scripturally possible, but it would seem dangerous and presumptuous to take the position (as an earlier poster put it: what if you’re wrong?).

I would add that I do noy believe it is sin (except the sin of unbelief) could cause one to lose Salvation. Instead, if we are saved by faith through grace and believing in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who died for our sins, it would seem that willfully choosing to disbelieve or rejecting the faith (i.e. denouncing the character * and sacrifice of Jesus; or willfully and fully converting to another ‘religion’, such as Islam) would mean the person is, as Jesus put it, is condemned already for not believing. In the end though, it has to be recognized that God decides who is Saved and who is not.*
 
Syele said:
Not all sin leads to hell, but all sins should be repented of.
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I beg to differ with that statement.

All sin is us saying ‘no’ to God. It is the sin of Adam and Eve. They believed the word of the serpent rather than believe the word of God.

Sin not only seperates us from God, but also from each other, from nature, and from our true selves.

All sin has its basis in us not believing in what God has taught us. All sin is us not living in accord with His will.

Sin IS a form of disbelief. So then, yes, all sin leads to hell if we don’t repent of it.

What differs from between the Catholic and Protestant doctrine is the Catholic Church teaches the truth not only about sin but the temporal punishment that is the result of committing sin.

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1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the “new man.”

As with Adam and Eve, they sinned and god forgave them and promised them a restoration, but they still had to be punished; therefore they were expelled from the Garden(Gen 4).

As with David when he had committed adultery with Uriah’s wife Bathsheba; God forgave David but still punished David by taking his son that was the fruit of their union(2Sam 12:13-14).

Look, I believe that only the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth on this.

First and formost it depends on us, like Peter in Luke’s gospel(Luke 5:8), to recognize our sinfulness before God. But we can only do this by accepting His words, all of His words, as truth. And it requires our faith, a gift that above all He gave us, in Him who forgives us.

If we do not accept His words, particularily those pertaining to morality, then how can we say that we are accepting Him?

And if we are rejecting His words we are rejecting Him, and if we reject Him how can claim to be ‘saved’?
 
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