For Protestants: How many of you believe in OSAS?

[HannahLisa]

I do not believe in OSAS. If you reject God you have rejected Him. If you die in that rejection, I do not believe you will be saved.

 

[JohnnyReb]

The poll is addressed to Protestants. Catholics may partake in this discussion.

I answered the poll, based on the beliefs I held as a Protestant. I did not believe in OSAS.

 

[Syele]

I beg to differ with that statement.

All sin is us saying ‘no’ to God. It is the sin of Adam and Eve. They believed the word of the serpent rather than believe the word of God.

Sin not only seperates us from God, but also from each other, from nature, and from our true selves.

All sin has its basis in us not believing in what God has taught us. All sin is us not living in accord with His will.

Sin IS a form of disbelief. So then, yes, all sin leads to hell if we don’t repent of it.

What differs from between the Catholic and Protestant doctrine is the Catholic Church teaches the truth not only about sin but the temporal punishment that is the result of committing sin.

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1473 The forgiveness of sin and restoration of communion with God entail the remission of the eternal punishment of sin, but temporal punishment of sin remains. While patiently bearing sufferings and trials of all kinds and, when the day comes, serenely facing death, the Christian must strive to accept this temporal punishment of sin as a grace. He should strive by works of mercy and charity, as well as by prayer and the various practices of penance, to put off completely the “old man” and to put on the “new man.”

As with Adam and Eve, they sinned and god forgave them and promised them a restoration, but they still had to be punished; therefore they were expelled from the Garden(Gen 4).

As with David when he had committed adultery with Uriah’s wife Bathsheba; God forgave David but still punished David by taking his son that was the fruit of their union(2Sam 12:13-14).

Look, I believe that only the Catholic Church has the fullness of truth on this.

First and formost it depends on us, like Peter in Luke’s gospel(Luke 5:8), to recognize our sinfulness before God. But we can only do this by accepting His words, all of His words, as truth. And it requires our faith, a gift that above all He gave us, in Him who forgives us.

If we do not accept His words, particularily those pertaining to morality, then how can we say that we are accepting Him?

And if we are rejecting His words we are rejecting Him, and if we reject Him how can claim to be ‘saved’?

So some guy lives his entire life doing all he can for God, puts his faith in God for everything, does many many good works, Loves God but one day as a child he committed a venial sin and never repents. He goes to hell?

Or how about it wasn’t as a child, but on his deathbed he tells a lie to his kid to keep his kid from knowing how much pain he’s in. He goes to hell?

The Catholic Church teaches Mortal and venial sins. I may not agree on which sins are mortal and which venial, but We do agree that there IS sin which does not lead to death.

Sin that is repented of is not sending you to hell, yet it is still sin Venial sins are still sin.

Sin is bad, I’m not arguing that. But all sin does not lead to hell. Scripture even says so.

1 John 5:16 (New International Version)

16If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death. There is a sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.

If all sin leads you to hell what is a sin that does not lead to death mean? The Catholic Church says there is sin that does not lead to Death too, yu don’t have to take this protestants word for it.

1854 Sins are rightly evaluated according to their gravity. The distinction between mortal and venial sin, already evident in Scripture,129 became part of the tradition of the Church. It is corroborated by human experience.

[1855](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1855.htm’) Mortal sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of God’s law; it turns man away from God, who is his ultimate end and his beatitude, by preferring an inferior good to him.
Venial sin allows charity to subsist, even though it offends and wounds it.

[1863](javascriptpenWindow(‘cr/1863.htm’) Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of the virtues and the practice of the moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. **However venial sin does not break the covenant with God. **With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. **“Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.”**134

 

[mozart-250]

Didn’t catch what “OSAS” meant before I had voted…but anyway - the possibility I would have chosen is not present.

I believe that you CAN lose salvation after having accepted Christ - if you become an apostate - that is: If the devil succeeds in luring you back into slavery.

I agree with this.

I would also note that James 1 teaches a progression: lust->sin->death.

Sin that is not repented of can lead to death over time…which would happen when the believer turns from Christ (2 Peter 2:22).

My objection to the Catholic teaching on this is:
(1) It is arbitrary and sound like the church deciding for God what sins he will judge and what sins get a pass (mortal sin for missing the 1 hour fast before the Eucharist–puhleeze).
(2) It is unstable. The Christian’s eternal life status flickers like a lightbulb on-off-on-off. Too bad for you if you get hit by a truck fetching a newspaper on that one Sunday you skipped mass.