For Protestants: Seminary and Self Intrepretation; Why go?

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Like I said the other day, already read the book , just waitng for the movie…
Obviously there are serious issues…
Educate myself…that is funny though…
Glad to see this is funny.😦 If you are serious, which I don’t see in your comments, there are resources. You demonstrate a lack of knowledge about Catholicism and I’m just stressing the fact that the more you display this “humorous” approach the more you will lack when speaking with knowledgeable Catholics. I never consider educating myself funny. Different perspectives, I guess…😉
 
Glad to see this is funny.😦 If you are serious, which I don’t see in your comments, there are resources. You demonstrate a lack of knowledge about Catholicism and I’m just stressing the fact that the more you display this “humorous” approach the more you will lack when speaking with knowledgeable Catholics. I never consider educating myself funny. Different perspectives, I guess…😉
I know your beliefs teachccd, I find the difference between dogma and doctrine ambigious and a later development. I am sure as an educated Catholic you know when the Catholic church defined which beliefs doctrine and dogma…
I have to laugh at it or Lord I would cry!
 
To All Protestant Christians,

If you believe that the Bible is easy to read, and that everyone should intrepret the Bible by themselves, then why do you have your pastors or ministers go to Seminary School?
I’m not Protestant but here is what I think many Protestants would say (not that I agree, but this is what I think their view is) …

Perspicacity means only that the Bible is sufficiently clear so that the average reader will understand everything he NEEDS to know, not necessarily all the subtleties of every chapter and verse of Scripture. A lone reader can cull from the Bible all he needs to know to be saved and lead a good Christian life, but that doesn’t mean he understands every last detail of God’s abundant revelation in Scripture. Seminary helps to deepen one’s understanding of Scripture’s revelations ( as well as teaching other aspects of ministry).

How’d I do? Was that close?
 
I’m not Protestant but here is what I think many Protestants would say (not that I agree, but this is what I think their view is) …

Perspicacity means only that the Bible is sufficiently clear so that the average reader will understand everything he NEEDS to know, not necessarily all the subtleties of every chapter and verse of Scripture. A lone reader can cull from the Bible all he needs to know to be saved and lead a good Christian life, but that doesn’t mean he understands every last detail of God’s abundant revelation in Scripture. Seminary helps to deepen one’s understanding of Scripture’s revelations ( as well as teaching other aspects of ministry).

How’d I do? Was that close?
I am sick and tired of Catholics who do a better job of explaining my own views that I do!😃
👍
 
Why do Catholics go to seminary if the magisterium can interpret for them?
Cool…!

We have agreement on the fact that there’s a reason to have some “expert advice” about interpreting the bible…!

Schism fixed.

Let’s work on that whole Eastern Orthodox / Western Orthodox problem now,… eh kids…!!

(( said in my best Andy Hardy voice ))
 
Boy, does this thread ever take me back! As kids, my brother and I used to pick strawberries for school money in the Ozarks. We were the only Catholics in the patch. That topic was often discussed as people picked, and you could hear the disputants all over the patch. The way I understood the “no education” proponents was that if a person “felt the call”, he had the call to preach from God, and he didn’t need to go to a Bible College. On the other hand, if a man didn’t “have the call”, all the Bible College in the world wouldn’t help. Various preachers would be discussed; how this one “had the call” and that one didn’t, and the consensus was that Bible College was a useless affectation. The “best” preachers seemed to most of them to be local farmers who would just stand up in church and announce that they had the call to preach. Seemed people would just accept that, and let them do it. 🙂
 
Why do Catholics go to seminary if the magisterium can interpret for them?
Because the Seminary is how you become part of the magisterium.

Although I understand that Protestants do accept teachers and pastors, who obviously must go to seminary, Mannyfit75’s point is well taken in the sense that not matter how many teachers or pastors you get, the protestant will always follow THEIR own interpretations of the Bible, and in many cases, if he does not agree with the intepretation given by his pastor, he will stand up and leave and go look for another church that teaches according to what he/she wants to believe.

I recommend the following reading, which exposes this in an more openly manner. Although it is a little long, Jimmy Akin does a wonderful job explaining the Protestant predicament.

cin.org/users/james/files/private.htm

Many blessings,

E.C.
 
Limbo isn’t a “doctrine” - it’s a pious opinion. We don’t actually know what happens to unbaptized innocents, so we trust them to the mercy of God.

“Limbo” (for those reading along who might not know) is the theory that although unbaptized persons cannot go to Heaven, those who have never committed any personal sin go to a “happy” region of Hell called “Limbo” where there are no terrors or punishments, but also no relationship with God. It’s just a pious opinion, though. We have absolutely no evidence anywhere in Scripture or Tradition that those who retain the stain of Original Sin can, or cannot, go to Heaven, nor what happens to them if they don’t.
Also it must be added that “limbo” (meaning “between two places”), also applies to the “limbus Patrium”, which was the hades of Sheoul where the patriarchs of the O.T. and other saved people who lived before Christ’s time waited until the gates of Heaven where opened after Christ death and until He “descendend into hades”, as the Creed and Scripture says, to preach the gospel to them and then He ascended with them to Heaven.

Such “limbo” existed and it is not a matter of opinion as the “limbus infantium” (where supposely the unbaptized babies go) is.

Blessings in Christ,

E.C.
 
I know your beliefs teachccd, I find the difference between dogma and doctrine ambigious and a later development. I am sure as an educated Catholic you know when the Catholic church defined which beliefs doctrine and dogma…
I have to laugh at it or Lord I would cry!
You know my beliefs… I seriously doubt that as evidenced in your posts… Keep laughing as it will take your mind off of the inconsistentcies of protestantism…:eek:
 
To All Protestant Christians,

If you believe that the Bible is easy to read, and that everyone should intrepret the Bible by themselves, then why do you have your pastors or ministers go to Seminary School?
**Hi Mannyfit

Bible is easy to read, but not easy to interpret!!! Everyone can read a bible as long as they are literate, but to understand the meaning of it is not what we can imagine by understand words by words**
 
the protestant will always follow THEIR own interpretations of the Bible, and in many cases, if he does not agree with the intepretation given by his pastor, he will stand up and leave and go look for another church that teaches according to what he/she wants to believe.
And Catholics are not the same way? Last I checked, Protestant churches are booming in traditionally Catholic countries.
 
And Catholics are not the same way? Last I checked, Protestant churches are booming in traditionally Catholic countries.
Hm, in Asia with exception to Philippines the rest of it are dominated by protestant churches!!! so what does it spell?? no evangelizing lor from the catholic side!!! To grow churches, members of God’s kingdom have to do their work rite, else nothing will change, nothing will move. God wanted us to plant churches for him, if everyone of us just sit and wait, will anything change…NOPE!!!
 
Hi,

All three ministers in my church have masters in theology and are well educated in christian history as well as biblical knowledge.😃 Because of this extensive study they ahve done, I trust their intrepretations of the Scriptures.👍

Before anyone asks me well how do you know their intrepretations are correct—by faith and trust in the HS—Im sure the same way catholics think the CC is corrrect–faith and trust.👍

However, I still study Scripture because my ministers cannot teach me all their is to know on a weekly basis in a 30min. sermon. I also hunger and thirst to get to know God better.👍
 
And Catholics are not the same way? Last I checked, Protestant churches are booming in traditionally Catholic countries.
You said it yourself… You checked… but have you ever experienced it really? I am from a traditional Catholic country in Southamerica, and protestants have been there for almost a century, and even then their numbers have remained constant. (5% or less). There are some countries where there are some exceptions, no doubt, where an increase in Protestantism has been seen, but those countries has gone through some streneous circumstances, such as Nicaragua and their civil war in the 80’s, where American Protestant missionaries helped the people hand on hand with Catholic missionaries, so those who had more contact with the protestant missionary from the US became protestant, and those who were in contact with the Catholic missionary became/remained catholic. Thus you see that the INCREASE in protestantism in Nicaragua (from 5% to 20%), occurred during the 80’s and 90’s (CIVIL WAR years) really, even though the protestants have been there long before.

In some of those countries, in general there is a lot of poverty and ignorance. They do and believe what they are told, basically, if you fill their bellies and clothe them. And even if that is NOT the case, those Protestant converts FROM catholicism, MAINTAIN a RESPECT for their NEW MAGISTERIUM, which they gain, maintain and inherit from their Catholic upbringing.

I can easily DEMONSTRATE what I am saying, because the protestant churches there are VERY STABLE. I have never ever heard of a CHURCH SPLIT in those countries, which are VERY VERY common among the Protestant Churches here in the U.S. They believe what their pastors tell them regarding the intepretation of Scripture to follow and they don’t really question them. Not so here in the US.

The protestants that I have met in my country hardly EVER change denominations and they don’t even know what a church split is (just like Catholics all over the world). Here in the US, I have met protestants that have changed denominations many times (one that I know changed 5 times) and have experience church splits several times. I have met a couple that have even experience the birth of whole new denominations. THAT IS UNHEARD of in the Catholic Church.

What I have seen in MY country, is that really those Catholics that become protestants are those that were really NON-PRACTICING catholics. Never met a practicing Catholic that has become protestant in my country and I have been in contact with many protestant as my wife used to be baptist and her family still are. **And personally, I believe that those non-practicing Catholics that became protestants are now closer to GOD, as they were far away when they were Catholics but did not live their faith. Because their change to protestantism occurs, they have a comprise for change with God, and so they get closer to HIM than what they were before. **

Here in the STATES, on the other hand, really you find that practicing protestants are those who become catholics and they really do it on their own, through prayer and studying the bible diligently. Not so in my country in regards to the Catholics becoming protestants and in other countries like mine. They do it because they were not practicing their faith and they accept the bible interpretation given to them by whoever brings them to protestantism, without much questioning, prayer or studying. Had they studied and questioned, they would still be Catholic. I can atest to that, as my wife and her family tried to bring me to protestantism, and I started praying, questioning, and studying, when that happened, rather my wife became Catholic.

Many blessings,

E.C.
 
Hm, in Asia with exception to Philippines the rest of it are dominated by protestant churches!!! so what does it spell?? no evangelizing lor from the catholic side!!! To grow churches, members of God’s kingdom have to do their work rite, else nothing will change, nothing will move. God wanted us to plant churches for him, if everyone of us just sit and wait, will anything change…NOPE!!!
Are you sure? Last time I heard, among Christians in Asia, the Majority are Catholic. In some of those countries, like China, for instance, is even difficult to know the real number of Christians and know whether there are other Christians from other Churches, because ALL Christians (Catholic and protestant) are persecuted there thus their meetings and churches are underground. Those countries are really tricky, because they had never been evangelized before and now both Protestants (American Protestants to be exact, with their large monetary support to do their ministry) and Catholics are coming to those countries.

Now, on the other hand, in countries where you CAN know, and that have not been evangelized before until now, such as AFRICAN countries, the Catholic population has multiplied by 10, not even CLOSE to the protestants.

In the US, Catholics are the third fastest growing Christian religion after the pentecostals and mormons (if you consider mormons to be Christians)

beliefnet.com/story/189/story_18905_1.html

But obviously, because the speed of growth is expressed in %, and Catholics being BY FAR the biggest denomination in the US, when we talk about NUMBERS of Conversions, they are NOT even CLOSE to pentecostals and mormoms as Catholics are several tens of millions more numerous than mormons and pentecostals.

You should have seen when my wife became Catholic in the Galveston/Houston dioscese (population of the galveston/houston area, about 3,000,000 people in total), when it came for the Rite of initiation, there were 3 churches FILLED each one with over 1000 catechumens, which were coming into the church that easter.

In our parish, here in College Station, TX we have to allow people into the Church in three different ocassions (when normally it should be during Easter), because otherwise it would be imposible as each time over 50 people enter the Church (total over 150 converts each year) in my parish alone.

Any way,

Many blessings,

E.C.
 
Hm, in Asia with exception to Philippines the rest of it are dominated by protestant churches!!! so what does it spell?? no evangelizing lor from the catholic side!!! To grow churches, members of God’s kingdom have to do their work rite, else nothing will change, nothing will move. God wanted us to plant churches for him, if everyone of us just sit and wait, will anything change…NOPE!!!
I think in Vietnam, there are more Catholics as the French missionaries came to the country way back. I am glad they did - not only they brought the Word of God over to us, one person of the French missionary is the father of Vietnamese language - how great! 🙂
 
To All Protestant Christians,

If you believe that the Bible is easy to read, and that everyone should intrepret the Bible by themselves, then why do you have your pastors or ministers go to Seminary School?
First of all, the bible is NOT easy to read in my opinion. Not on your own anyway. Nor do we believe that everyone is able to interpret the bible by themselves. Such ignorance it sometimes makes me sick. The bible cannot be properly interpreted without the Holy Spirit by your side. But with the Holy Spirit there and the proper training and direction you begin to see how the bible affects your life as it is today. As for why we have pastors and/or ministers who go to seminary… A person may know algebra but they go to school to learn how to teach others what they know. I am not schooled enough to be able to just automatically know all that the bible has to offer me. With the teachings of what God wants the pastor to teach, the Holy Spirit by my side, and the bible in front of me, I can begin to apply the Scriptures to my life and learn to live for God and grow closer to Him.
 
I just wanted to mention that seminary is not only for learning the Bible. Whether one is studying to be a priest (Catholic) or a minister (Protestant), there is a lot more to learn than just the Bible. For example, priests and ministers need to learn pastoral counseling. A member of the parish/congregation may have some kind of issue that is troubling him, such as addictions, illnesses, etc. The priest or minister will need preparation in how to approach counseling. This is something that he will learn in the seminary.
 
Hm, in Asia with exception to Philippines the rest of it are dominated by protestant churches!!! so what does it spell?? no evangelizing lor from the catholic side!!! To grow churches, members of God’s kingdom have to do their work rite, else nothing will change, nothing will move. God wanted us to plant churches for him, if everyone of us just sit and wait, will anything change…NOPE!!!
Not in India, the Catholic Church dominates.(Among christians)
 
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