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Rachel_Malloy
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Let’s get back on track.
For those who need a reminder… here’s the OP:
For those who need a reminder… here’s the OP:
Thanks!
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Kitty_Chan
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Thanks Rachel 
Ok besides the Grahams I really like Charles Stanley he is a preacher his web site is In Touch.
CS Lewis for helping me understand so much more.
Bono and the boys for keeping me honest.
and Mother Teresa I do like as well . . .
Ok besides the Grahams I really like Charles Stanley he is a preacher his web site is In Touch.
CS Lewis for helping me understand so much more.
Bono and the boys for keeping me honest.
and Mother Teresa I do like as well . . .
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Huguenot
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Kitty Chan:
I particularly like John Bunyan because his book The Pilgrim’s Progress really helped me after I became a believer because it illustrated some of the problems I had at that time …Thanks Rachel
Ok besides the Grahams I really like Charles Stanley he is a preacher his web site is In Touch.
CS Lewis for helping me understand so much more.
Bono and the boys for keeping me honest.
and Mother Teresa I do like as well . . .
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Kitty_Chan
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Ive always wanted to read the Pilgrims Progress I will have to pick it up. (my son had a childs version long ago he liked it too ) One I enjoyed was Mere Christianity by CS Lewis.
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Huguenot
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Kitty Chan:
Well, if I as a Frenchwoman have read it, in the original version, aren’t you ashamed you haven’t ??? ( just kidding … )
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Kitty_Chan
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nooo too funny you are so right, I will pick it up. I even have a $25 gift certificate from the christian bookstore from Christmas burning a hole in my pocket.
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Zooey
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I have to second the mention of the martyred missionaries in Ecuador (“End of the Spear”).
I just finished reading a short biography of 2 of these men, (Nate Saint & Jim Elliott) & I learned something that I never knew before about them: to defend themselves against wildlife, all 5 of them carried loaded guns at all times…They could have defended themselves aginst the men who killed them! But they had all prayed about this, & talked it over in advance, & decided that there was no way that they could possibly kill the people whom they hoped to teach about Christ…
It made their deaths seem even more poignant to know, that they had that much love for those who became their killers…
I just finished reading a short biography of 2 of these men, (Nate Saint & Jim Elliott) & I learned something that I never knew before about them: to defend themselves against wildlife, all 5 of them carried loaded guns at all times…They could have defended themselves aginst the men who killed them! But they had all prayed about this, & talked it over in advance, & decided that there was no way that they could possibly kill the people whom they hoped to teach about Christ…
It made their deaths seem even more poignant to know, that they had that much love for those who became their killers…
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Huguenot
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Kitty Chan:
I also liked some of John Donne’s poems too, I recognized myself in some of them, I mean his religious poems …
I’ve also read them in the original version …
I hope you’ll appreciate it …nooo too funny you are so right, I will pick it up. I even have a $25 gift certificate from the christian bookstore from Christmas burning a hole in my pocket.
I also liked some of John Donne’s poems too, I recognized myself in some of them, I mean his religious poems …
I’ve also read them in the original version …
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tom4JC
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The definition of Protestant to me just means non-Catholic. That’s why I consider myself Protestant, (though I once was Catholic).
Now a born-again Christian, I know that Jesus considers ME a saint. All true believers are saints. That is quite clear according to Scripture. Revelation 5 gives us a view of the worship service in heaven with all the saints. I will be one of those with him.
The saints you are referring to are judged or deemed saints by man’s standards.
That’s the whole problem in the church (any church) and the world today. Man is trying to govern himself.
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davy39
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I see by your profile, you were “rescued” from the religion. Who rescued you, and why are you so sure that you will end up in heaven? Don’t you have any faults or sins like the rest of us mortals. How do you know you are a saint? Just curious.
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MrS
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:banghead: so you left the only Church founded by God for one founded by a man (or woman)??? :banghead:
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tom4JC
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No, no, no. You have wrongly ‘interpreted’ what I said.
By YOUR judgement, I am not a saint.
By man’s assessment, I am not a saint.
By the world’s standards, I am not a saint.
Jesus Christ, God, calls me a saint. You can very well see that 64 times in the NT (KJV). Here are 4 instances:
1 Corinthians 1:2
1 Corinthians 14:33
(The Corinthian Church was known for suing each other, getting drunk at the communion table, fornication…and even they are called saints)
1 Thessalonians 3:13
Jude 1:14
(When the Lord returns, do you expect to be with him? I do !)
‘Who’ rescued me ? Jesus Christ ‘saved’ me that’s who.
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord will be saved. I became one of the ‘whosoevers’ 5 years ago when I left the RCC. That’s how I know.
Faults and sins like the rest of the mortals? Please ! I NEVER claimed to be without sin, nor would I. That’s the whole point - I AM a sinner. The difference between you and me is, I admitted to Jesus that I am a sinner, I asked him to forgive me of those sins (past present and future), and I asked him to be my Lord and my Savior. No church is my Lord. Jesus is a person, a being, a spirit, He is God. He is not an organization that he leaves down here in ‘mortal-ville’ to have some human guy named pope to run while he’s away.
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Eden
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It is a relief to me that you are rejecting Catholicism because you misunderstand it. We also admit our sinfulness to Jesus, ask Him for forgiveness and ask Him to be our Lord. The difference is, we don’t believe such confessions to be a one-time deal. The struggle with sin continues even after reciting the prayers because we are human. Here are some prayers commonly used by Catholics:
Act of Contrition
O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended You,
andI detest all my sins because I fear Your just punishments,
but most of all because they offend You, my God,
Who are all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Your grace,
To sin no more, and to avoid the near occasion of sins. Amen
Act of Spiritual Communion
My Jesus,
I believe that You are in the Blessed Sacrament.
I love You above all things,
and I long for You in my soul.
Since I cannot now receive You sacramentally,
come at least spiritually into my heart.
As though You have already come,
I embrace You and unite myself entirely to You.
Never permit me to be separated from You. Amen
Another Act of Spiritual Communion O Jesus,
I turn toward the holy tabernacle
where You live hidden for love of me.
I love You, O my God.
I cannot receive You in Holy Communion.
Come nevertheless and visit me with Your grace.
Come spiritually into my heart. Purify it. Sanctify it.
Render it like unto Your own. Amen.
Lord, I am not worthy that Thou shouldst enter under my roof,
but only say the word and my soul shall be healed.
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MrS
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Tom:
your authority for your interpretation of these verses is???
your authority for your interpretation of these verses is???
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Mickey
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Wonderful prayers indeed! There is also the very simple prayer that I like to say often throughout the day:
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner.
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MrS
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or simply Jesus, I trust in You.
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MariaG
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By the Catholic Church’s judgement you **are **a saint.
I was going to show you where it is in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. I just spent about 20 minutes looking for it.
Testimony time:
When I was thinking of going to the Catholic Church, I had many people tell me what the Catholic Church believes. I had picked up a catechism a while back since everyone who found out I “used” to be Catholic would ask me what Catholic believed and I always felt stupid not being able to tell them, or they would tell me what Catholics believed and I would have to just nod my head and accept what they said even if it did not sit quite right with me.
One person told me much as you did that the Bible tells us that we are all saints, and the CAtholic Church does not believe the average person is a saint, which is contradictory to the Bible. That would be a problem for me since I believe the Bible is 100% right and if the Catholic Church teaches something contrary to Scripture, they could not be a Christian Church.
Well and went and looked it up in the Catechism. I found it in about 3 minutes (God certainly was guiding me there!). **In the Catechism, it explains that we are all saints, just as scripture says. **It goes on to say that the Church has further pointed to us those saints who exemplify the Christian life and virtues, and canonized them as Saints.
Today in common usage, most Catholics would say, I am not a saint. Meaning, I do not exemplify as a shining example to others what a Christian should be and do. I try but…
But that does not change the fact that according to the Catholic Church, all the faithful are defined as saints, as per Scripture. (yep even the modern day “Corinthians”)
Common usage and Catholic doctrine are not an exact match on this.
We are saints. Scripture says so and so does the Catholic Church.
God Bless,
from a born-again, Bible believing, Catholic Christian,
Maria
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UBERROGO
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Where can I find this in a Catholic Catechism?
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Huguenot
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But the struggle with sin also continues for us Protestants, although we are not accustomed to using “set prayers” ; we use our own words to confess our sins to the Lord and ask Him to forgive us, or sometimes, if it corresponds to what we want to say, we can use a psalm, or some verses of a psalm, or a very simple and short prayer used by a sinner in the New Testament, I don’t know exactly how it is translated in English, something like "Lord have mercy in me a sinner ! )
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Huguenot
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I’ve been rescued from my sins too, I like the expression you use to speak about our common experience …
I’m also one of the “whoevers” …
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