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The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…
 
amen…and ditto, the spirit of our lord is making his presence known, we are not alone here.
 
The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…
Thank you for saying this which I’m in full agreement.

The mindset of Christian Americans, Canadians, and indeed the entire western world, must listen to the heart of Christ and His spiritual teachings, instead of being plagiarized by the lies of politicians, those who control immense wealth and the Great Whore brainwasher in the global media.
 
So how do we go about that? My understanding of the word Crusade is War. The apostles were called to preach the Good News and they did that irrespective of persecution. We are called to do the same but I wonder if the apostles were actually out to fight against “immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity”
 
What exactly are you proposing that we do, where and when and to whom?

In the question put to Marlon Brando in The Wild One ‘what are you rebelling against’? You certainly won’t achieve anything if your answer is as vague as his ‘whaddaya got?’

I look around this world and I see Marches for Life, 40 Days For Life (in which I was fortunate enough to participate this year), Priests For Life and all manner of similar Catholic initiatives. I also see public support for abortion rights and pro-abortion legislation dropping at an unprecedented rate in the US and indeed in my country Australia.

I think we ARE affecting public opinion, and the tide is turning. Of course there’s room to do more, and I’m always up for suggestions.
 
So how do we go about that? My understanding of the word Crusade is War. The apostles were called to preach the Good News and they did that irrespective of persecution. We are called to do the same but I wonder if the apostles were actually out to fight against “immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity”
Humble prayer would be a start. One cannot give good things to the outside world what one does not possess in the human heart. We have to change our own heart first before setting out to change the world. Crusades fought by humans are bound to fail. But a Crusade backed by God and His true followers always wins in the end.
 
Quakers had some great examples of being non-violent aggressors. Like Benjiman Lay for instance, or Mary Dyer.

The Unborn need their “Uncle Toms Cabin”, they need a Stowe to change peoples thoughts. But some also think the book was the cause for the Civil War and that is not acceptable.
 
St. Benedict wisely counseled, “Pray and work.” ORA ET LABORE. I would humbly suggest that the suggested civil unrest and so on is self-indulgent. Let’s get on our knees; and then get to work. I would counsel starting non-profits: 501 (c)(3) organizations to do charitable work and 501 (c)(4) political lobbying groups–the status of Move On, a liberal group that is using the internet to glean countless contacts and resources and boy howdy they do not let go easily when you want to get off their email contact list. Let’s be that tenacious. Start a non-profit without the paperwork! I believe this is only a necessary formality when assets top $10,000. That leaves a lot of leeway in getting big oaks started from little acorns, so to speak. Any lawyer will give 1/2 hour of free counsel to a prospective client so get on the horn and ask about the details.

Let us be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. We need to shelter resources from government taxation and clear a path for those who are not weary of well-doing and are ready to roll up their sleeves. The sleeping giant of the Catholic community must awaken to constructive, not destructive, action. The hammer is poised to quash civil disobedience. Let’s be like ants, and bees, and work together. They will know we are Christians by our love. Love is patience. Let us patiently consolidate our resources.

I would hope Catholics would unleash their economic power to help each other and the community at large. That would entail such things as food clubs run out of garages as start-ups. Link that to community food banks so donations of foodstuffs are not made with retail dollars but with wholesale dollars. Parishes in marginal areas are not served by banks but by predatory check-cashing outlets that exact high fees. It’s easy enough to start a credit union by purchasing turn-key computer programs. There’s plenty of talent out there to run them. My mom was on the board of her credit union and granting loans on a reasonable basis and it was much easier than some of the church-related volunteer work she did. B.Y.O.B. Be Your Own Bank. Community micro-gardens would entail getting a core group to rent a tiller for a day and solicit Craig’s List or parish contacts who wanted their land tilled for gardens. Let “Master Gardeners” guide newbies in planting. Timing is perfect for this as May 7 is a good time to till and plant. When those vine-ripened tomatoes start pouring in, distribute the excess to the poor, and sell them at “honor” tomato stands where toms are put in sacks with a donation box nailed to a tree to accept cash. Let’s raise money to buy cheap homes under a non-profit umbrella; rehab them; and put the needy into them. St. Louis has become a “market maker” by rehab and resettlement around their cathedral to stabilize the neighborhood.

Tender souls, you don’t realize how rich you are, pecking away on a keyboard in a process you take for granted. There are communities who are riven with illiteracy. I would weep to think that that such a brainy resource was cooking away in the slammer when a less dramatic sacrifice could have unchained minds locked in ignorance. Be that person who helps with convoluted paperwork from Medicare/Medicaid or some other government agency. Dear Sister Donna Loretto Gunn in her Mississippi Delta mission volunteered to take IRS training to fill out tax returns and got her illiterate working poor people plenty of cash so they could feed themselves. That’s wily.

Turn your eyes downward, I beg you, and lift up the weak and lowly instead of trying to cast down the high and mighty. Visiting nursing homes would pay greater political dividends when it’s time to vote and you can register these folks and bus them to the polls. Get pepper spray wholesale and distribute to neighborhoods where crime is high and women and children and old people are particularly at risk. Evangelize immigrant Hispanics who are coming from cult-ridden countries. Get a truck line to donate shipping to a poor Native American reservation and collect clothing, books, cloth diapers, soap and toys.

Be angry and sin not. K-Mart has $10 fruit trees. Plant one and year after year free nutritious fruit will be available. Plant parish grounds with fruit trees. Start now! If you have more money than time, donate to Sister Donna at: SACRED HEART PARISH & FAMILY CENTER, 1439 HIGHWAY 17, CAMDEN, MISSISSIPPI 39045-9524 and give her an encouraging call at: 662-468-2354 or an encouraging word at: donnalorettogunn@yahoo.com Sister Donna’s parish is made up of the descendants of slaves who are having a rougher time than you or I. Be merciful.
 
The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…
So what prompted this post? I’m ready, but what is our platform? Seriuosly, I’m in agreement with you, but, we need to be of one mind.
 
So what prompted this post? I’m ready, but what is our platform? Seriuosly, I’m in agreement with you, but, we need to be of one mind.
I am sick of the endless complaining,whinging,pacifism and handwringing on this board and others about the secular demonization of Catholicism in particular and Christianity in general.Bullies DON"T CARE ABOUT PLANTING TREES AND SINGING KUMBAYA.If that’s what you want to do join a contemplative order.To quote a notorious atheist,Ted Turner-“Lead or get out of the way”.
Don’t give me that guff about war and violence you previous posters,read what I said.A Crusade is called for-a Children’s Crusade-one that is non-violent but civilly disobedient just like Ghandi’s-he beat the British Empire for goodness sake.I am just saying I am fed up and so must YOU be.There is SOMETHING we can do collectively.A revolution has to start somewhere.It is our mission to proclaim the Kingdom of God but we can’t achieve that if all we are in is a defensive mode.The best defense is a good offence.We Catholics have taken our place in society as our due.There is NO MORE Catholic Triumphalism there is only Catholic Defeatism.I see a lone bombastic voice from the Catholic League and all the armchair quarterbacks love to lambaste Bill Donahue but AT LEAST HE IS DEFENDING US,which is more than THEY are doing.If I see one more post criticizing him I’m going to puke…
If you value your freedom to be a Catholic in the public square we MUST do something about it.Christ wasn’t a pacifist and nor should we.I’m not advocating violence as that is the antithesis of my faith but don’t be afraid to get into peoples faces when it’s warranted.Join every single Catholic organization you can think of from the Kof C to the Women’s Catholic League.Join Anti-abortion organizations.Picket news outlets that caricature our Faith.Contact sponsors and tell them you nor your extended family will EVER purchase their product again…Maybe start a continent wide organization that could be called Defenders of the Faith.If IO% of Catholics in North Americs contacted the sponsors of Family Guy that program would be off the TV in ONE week. Encourage our Seperated Brethren to be part of it.I can’t do this alone-I don’t know how.But there are brilliant,people here.People with superb organizational skills.We can’t rely on the Church to do this,IT IS SHELL-SHOCKED.I am absolutely uninterested in hearing from hand-wringers and naysayers.Get OFF your knees.Pray standing up and letting these emboldened slavering enemies of Christ know that we mean business and the next time an editor will rethink a story or a judge will reconsider his/her activist/social engineering actions.Be willing to go to jail for your beliefs as St Paul did.Stop taking this dreck and FIGHT BACK.START a FAITH REVIVAL.START A FAITH REVOLUTION.God expects us to participate in the evangelizing of the world and the DEFENDING of HIS Faith.Don’t be like the servant who buried his talent.And before some snide sophisticate asks me how this is to be accomplished,I DON"T KNOW,but surely to God there are those here who know how to start this.I guarantee you,get this started like the tea party phenomenon in your country and it will spread like wildfire.There are enough fed up discouraged Catholics who are itching to fight back and send these enemies of the Church scurrying back under their rocks.We HAVE the ARMY we need GENERALS.AND for those of you who don’t care for Military allusions tough beans.
 
The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…
Boy I feel wicked stupid cuz I read this three times and still don’t have clue what the issue in question is.

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The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…
This reminds me of The Crisis written by Thomas Paine, very nice 🙂
 
Boy I feel wicked stupid cuz I read this three times and still don’t have clue what the issue in question is.

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Stand up for your faith.Refuse to be bullied or silenced.Don’t let ANYONE tell you your Catholicism doesn’t belong in the Public Square.We are meant to OWN the public square according to Christ.Every singlr person on the face of this planet is a potential convert and if you let your Government,Anti-life organizations,courts and the disapproval od your neighbours shut you up-you lose-and so do they.You’re already converted.Your job is to convert the world.Don’t take any guff from ANYONE regarding your faith.Christ didn’t do you either.
 
I am sick of the endless complaining,whinging and handwringing on this board and others about the secular demonization of Catholicism in particular and Christianity in general.Don’t give me that guff about war and violence you previous posters,read what I said.A Crusade is called for-a Children’s Crusade-one that is non-violent but civilly disobedient just like Ghandi’s-he beat the British Empire for goodness sake.I am just saying I am fed up and so must YOU be.There is SOMETHING we can do collectively.A revolution has to start somewhere.It is our mission to proclaim the Kingdom of God but we can’t achieve that if all we are in is a defensive mode.The best defense is a good offence.We Catholics have taken our place in society as our due.There is NO MORE Catholic Triumphalism there is only Catholic Defeatism.I see a lone bombastic voice from the Catholic League and all the armchair quarterbacks love to lambaste Bill Donahue but AT LEAST HE IS DEFENDING US,which is more than THEY are doing.If I see one more post criticizing him I’m going to puke…
If you value your freedom to be a Catholic in the public square we MUST do something about it.Christ wasn’t a pacifist and nor should we.I’m not advocating violence as that is the antithesis of my faith but don’t be afraid to get into peoples faces when it’s warranted.Join every single Catholic organization you can think of from the Kof C to the Women’s Catholic League.Join Anti-abortion organizations.Picket news outlets that caricature our Faith.Contact sponsors and tell them you nor your extended family will EVER purchase their product again…Maybe start a continent wide organization that could be called Defenders of the Faith.Encourage our Seperated Brethren to be part of it.I can’t do this alone-I don’t know how.But there are brilliant,people here.People with superb organizational skills.We can’t rely on the Church to do this,IT IS SHELL-SHOCKED.I am absolutely uninterested in hearing from hand-wringers and naysayers.Get OFF your knees.Pray standing up and letting these emboldened slavering enemies of Christ know that we mean business and the next time an editor will rethink a story or a judge will reconsider his/her activist/social engineering actions.Be willing to go to jail for your beliefs as St Paul did.Stop taking this dreck and FIGHT BACK.START a FAITH REVIVAL.START A FAITH REVOLUTION.God expects us to participate in the evangelizing of the world and the DEFENDING of HIS Faith.Don’t be like the servant who buried his talent.And before some snide sophisticate asks me how this is to be accomplished,I DON"T KNOW,but surely to God there are those here who know how to start this.I guarantee you,get this started like the tea party phenomenon in your country and it will spread like wildfire.There are enough fedup discouraged Catholics who are itching to fight back and send these enemies of the Church scurrying back under their rocks.
I agree. We need to stand and be heard, however we probably won’t be listened to. Either the Church is or isn’t what she purports to be. Therefore, we either stand on a solid foundation or we don’t. However, we have history on our side, secularly speaking. Spiritually speaking, we have the Lord and the great cloud of witnesses on our side. We need to set apart Christ as Lord in our hearts and then extend that consecration to those around us and on and on. The time to usher in our Lord into His rightful place as Lord and King has arrived. We are His people. The time of sitting on our hands is over.
 
Seriously me neither:confused:
It isn’t a question-it’s a statement-a polemic if you will from a fed up Catholic who is fed up with Catholics complaining on a board about the state of our faith and the secular world.The SKY is not falling.Take a page out of the homosexual hand book.It’s time for Catholics and non-Catholic Christians to Act Up.

If you can’t understand what I am saying perhaps you should seek out another thread.
 
I agree. We need to stand and be heard, however we probably won’t be listened to. Either the Church is or isn’t what she purports to be. Therefore, we either stand on a solid foundation or we don’t. However, we have history on our side, secularly speaking. Spiritually speaking, we have the Lord and the great cloud of witnesses on our side. We need to set apart Christ as Lord in our hearts and then extend that consecration to those around us and on and on. The time to usher in our Lord into His rightful place as Lord and King has arrived. We are His people. The time of sitting on our hands is over.
We are figuratively being marched off to concentration camps.You are exactly right we can’t afford for one moment longer to sit on our hands.We must be like our Elder Brothers at Masada-They lost-but they won.
 
I am somewhat martyred every day for my faith. By the evil stares of people on the road after seeing my rosary on the rear view mirror. By so-called friends and family and coworkers. By evil Catholics, priests, and bishops. And everyday I get more comfortable with it. I actually feel I have done something wrong if I do not somehow provoke hostility towards me, for simply doing the right thing or expressing my faith.

But I certainly can do more.
 
Grace & Peace!

Soutane, I’m not in the same political camp as you are, nor am I a Roman Catholic. I am, however, a brother Christian. For what it’s worth, these are my thoughts on your call(s) to action:

Whether or not you you’re a fan of Marx, Guy Debord’s revision of Marxist theory in Society of the Spectacle is a fantastic cataloguing of what is wrong with contemporary late capitalist society. Part of Debord’s critique includes what is needful for a revolution to succeed–these are consciousness and relentless critique. Moreover, if the polemics of a revolution only require assent and falling into a particular party line, then consciouness and critique are missing–the revolutionary polemic must be de-polemiczed, that is, people must be empowered to be conscious and empowered to critique, they cannot be empowered to be preached to.

Lacking consciousness and critique, the revolutionary energies will be co-opted by the structures of sameness and separation that characterize much of modern life. For instance, it is absurd on a number of levels that people should be wearing Che Guevara t-shirts. But what enables them to do so? The idea of Che as a revolutionary is being sold to people who would very much like to participate in a revolutionary feeling or idea. Instead of acting on this idea, they are empowered by the social structure to purchase the image of the idea and are encouraged to view the image as the reality. The proliferation of Che Guevara t-shirts doesn’t mean that the people wearning them are pro-communist or pro-Cuba or pro-torture or pro-revolution. It means the social structures of disempowerment are working as they should, reifying and commodifying desire.

The exercise of consciousness and critique must be relentless and also self-directed, that is, aimed at ourselves as well. If we agree with Philip Zimbardo in his researches that social evil is not a matter of bad apples in a good barrel, but bad barrels corrupting good apples, then we have to realize that the structures of our lives that we take for granted–commerce, leisure, politics, entertainment, popular religion, our very understanding of history–are likely all engaged on a common exercise which is fundamentally one of disempowerment. As Noam Chomsky insists–power and power structures must always be forced to justify their existence–if they cannot or if their justifications are ludicrous or ineffectual, power and its structures must be dismantled.

HOWEVER! In Christian terms, there can never be a successful social revolution in which the end result is just another social realm. Which is to say–we are called to transform the social into this thing we call Ecclesia. The social will always be the realm of separation and alienation, of us and them, of this or that clique, of I and other. But Ecclesia is participation in the body of God.

And here are the revolutionary tools of the Christian: poverty, chastity, and obedience. Because these three practices totally disarm and disrupt the competing patterns of desire which make up the World and the common social realm. And here it’s important to remember that obedience is not blind obedience, but is related to an active and engaged listening and responding.

And what is the fuel that makes poverty, chastity and obedience run? Grace. And what does grace enables us to do? Love. And who does the practice of Love make us resemble? God, the source of all Love and Grace.

Which is all to say this: a revolution in which lines are drawn, territories mapped out, us and them made more clear is a romantic idea. But it’s nothing new. And it’s fruit will not be anything new either. What’s needed is a recognition that the structures of power that we cling to and hold as precious are illusions, patterns of desire that create a particular architecture of living in which life has become unbearable if not impossible. We are all in the same boat here. There is no us or them. We have to become conscious and critical. We have to practice poverty, chastity and obedience. We have to be love in the World, transforming it into the radical participation in Reality itself that characterizes Ecclesia.

At least that’s my Christian, semi-Situationist, post-Marxist, anarcho-sympathetic view of things…

Under the Mercy,
Mark

All is Grace & Mercy! Deo Gratias!
 
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