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All Catholics,especially the meek and lukewarm should watch this:
youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/QspTP9V2h18
youtube.com/user/RealCatholicTV#p/a/u/0/QspTP9V2h18
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I have NEVER seen a pro-choice sign condemning these poor women or the “doctors” that abort them.I have seen plenty of the latter telling them that God loves them.I have also seen plenty that say "abortion is murder"which according to the 10 commandments it is.What you seem to be claiming is to my mind completely innaccurate.I go to pro-life marches and witnessings and prayer circles and have NEVER seen one cruel sign unless you’re talking about that weird baptist cult that protests soldiers funerals.Other pro-life people would simply not ALLOW hateful signs to be carried.We are organised and cautioned on proper deportment and if you cause scandal,you are GONE!
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Please forgive me I meant to say “pro-life” sign not pro-choice.At the March for Life in Ottawa I have at least a dozen photos of people giving us the "finger"chanting obscene slogans,and holding up signs which compared pro-lifers with Nazis,threatening pro-life men with castration and a woman who was topless with pro-abortion slogans written on her body cavorting halfnaked in front of children.I’ll compare OUR deportment with THEIRS anyday.And you know how we responded-we sang Ave Maria and prayed the Rosary.
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Feanor2
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Have you seen anti Obama signs. Have you seen people with masks of Obama’s face? Have you seen signs decrying the Democratic Party en masse? Have you seen t-shirts that say “Pro-God, Pro-Gun, Pro-Life PALIN”? I have seen all of these.
I am pro-life but because of the preponderance of such expressions I don’t have a place in the organized Pro-Life movement.
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Soutane
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I ain’t American honey.They certainly don’t appear in our Pro-life activities.Why would they?.Canada is a sovereign Nation.
If they appear in yours you should speak to the organizors.It sounds more tea-partyish than pro-life.I have seen people praying outside the downtown abortion clinic in Buffalo and plan on joining them.I saw no Obama,Palin or any kind of signs,all I saw were Rosaries; and i’ll bet you a dollar you didn’t see one of them at your March for Life in Washington.
The organizors and marshalls at these events make every effort to focus on the murder of the unborn and to exclude the radical fringe.I know in Canada you have to register in advance for these events and known radicals or radical grouos are excluded.I think you are confusing some of your raucus town hall(Healthcare) and tea-party meetings with pure pro-life activities,which should be apolitically God-centred.
Besides being a Canadian I AM Pro-God,own 26 firearms(Shotguns,.22s,.30-.30s,.303s,Black powder long rifles and hand guns,and modern handguns,so I guess you could say I was pro-gun),am very Pro-Life and I think that in addition to being as cute as a bunny,a populist politician is exactly what America needs to scare the pants off the political oinkers at the trough,or a more centrist socially conservative 3rd party.
But hey-not my country-not my problem-you figure it out.
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Vatican Fights Back
The Catholic Church, as the world’s oldest institution is notoriously slow in how it adapts to the times. We are slow to embrace technology and trends. Imagine my surprise to read that L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, issued an immediate response in Friday’s version to Thursday’s New York Times article. Whispers Blog has the details and translation:
Clarifying an article in the New York Times
No one shelved anything
Transparency, firmness and severity in shedding light on the many cases of sexual abuse committed by priests and religious: these are the criteria that Benedict XVI has indicated with constancy and serenity to the whole Church. A way of operating – coherent with his personal history and more than two-decade activities as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – that is evidently feared by those who don’t want the truth affirmed and those who would prefer to be able to instrumentalize, without any foundation in fact, horrible episodes and sorrowful events uncovered in some cases from decades ago.
This is demonstrated, most recently, in the article published today by the American newspaper “The New York Times,” together with an editorial, on the grave case of the priest Lawrence C Murphy, guilty of abuse committed on deaf boys who were patients in a Catholic institute, where he worked from 1950 to 1974. According to the reconstruction made in the article, based on ample documentation provided by lawyers for some of the victims, reports relating to the conduct of the priest were only sent in July 1996 by the then-archbishop of Milwaukee, Rembert G. Weakland, to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – its then prefect Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and its secretary Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone – to the end of obtaining indications on the correct canonical procedure to follow. The request, in fact, referred not to the accusations of sexual abuse, but to a violation of the sacrament of penance, perpetrated by an enticement in the confessional, that takes place when a priest solicits a penitent to commit a sin against the sixth commandment (canon 1387).
catholic-vision.blogspot.com/2010/03/vatican-fights-back.html
Vatican Fights Back
The Catholic Church, as the world’s oldest institution is notoriously slow in how it adapts to the times. We are slow to embrace technology and trends. Imagine my surprise to read that L’Osservatore Romano, the Vatican newspaper, issued an immediate response in Friday’s version to Thursday’s New York Times article. Whispers Blog has the details and translation:
Clarifying an article in the New York Times
No one shelved anything
Transparency, firmness and severity in shedding light on the many cases of sexual abuse committed by priests and religious: these are the criteria that Benedict XVI has indicated with constancy and serenity to the whole Church. A way of operating – coherent with his personal history and more than two-decade activities as prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – that is evidently feared by those who don’t want the truth affirmed and those who would prefer to be able to instrumentalize, without any foundation in fact, horrible episodes and sorrowful events uncovered in some cases from decades ago.
This is demonstrated, most recently, in the article published today by the American newspaper “The New York Times,” together with an editorial, on the grave case of the priest Lawrence C Murphy, guilty of abuse committed on deaf boys who were patients in a Catholic institute, where he worked from 1950 to 1974. According to the reconstruction made in the article, based on ample documentation provided by lawyers for some of the victims, reports relating to the conduct of the priest were only sent in July 1996 by the then-archbishop of Milwaukee, Rembert G. Weakland, to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith – its then prefect Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger and its secretary Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone – to the end of obtaining indications on the correct canonical procedure to follow. The request, in fact, referred not to the accusations of sexual abuse, but to a violation of the sacrament of penance, perpetrated by an enticement in the confessional, that takes place when a priest solicits a penitent to commit a sin against the sixth commandment (canon 1387).
catholic-vision.blogspot.com/2010/03/vatican-fights-back.html
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Feanor2
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It sounds like you guys have a more politically neutral Pro-Life movement in Canada which is great. I can tell you that far right wing politics are part and parcel with the organized Pro-Life movement in the States.I ain’t American honey.They certainly don’t appear in our Pro-life activities.Why would they?.Canada is a sovereign Nation.
If they appear in yours you should speak to the organizors.It sounds more tea-partyish than pro-life.I have seen people praying outside the downtown abortion clinic in Buffalo and plan on joining them.I saw no Obama,Palin or any kind of signs,all I saw were Rosaries; and i’ll bet you a dollar you didn’t see one of them at your March for Life in Washington.
The organizors and marshalls at these events make every effort to focus on the murder of the unborn and to exclude the radical fringe.I know in Canada you have to register in advance for these events and known radicals or radical grouos are excluded.I think you are confusing some of your raucus town hall(Healthcare) and tea-party meetings with pure pro-life activities,which should be apolitically God-centred.
Besides being a Canadian I AM Pro-God,own 26 firearms(Shotguns,.22s,.30-.30s,.303s,Black powder long rifles and hand guns,and modern handguns,so I guess you could say I was pro-gun),am very Pro-Life and I think that in addition to being as cute as a bunny,a populist politician is exactly what America needs to scare the pants off the political oinkers at the trough,or a more centrist socially conservative 3rd party.
But hey-not my country-not my problem-you figure it out.
You are right that the Catholics praying at local abortion clinics don’t, in general, carry political signs. But just look up the March for Life and you will see the afore-mentioned signs EVERYWHERE.
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Then the American marches are being used as political rallies which is wrong and it detracts from the message and is unnecessarily polarizing.Why is it allowed-is there no oversite,no marshalls,no sponsoring agency?Why don’t pure pro-lifers do something about it.It should NOT be a vehicle for tea-partying,or partisan political parties.You’re just playing into the hands of the opposition and media which can paint you as buffoons,radicals and worse.
In Canada deportment in pro-life actions is paramount.All signs are provided by Right to life organizations-some aere necessarily graphic.All private signs MUST be vetted.There are rules and courtesies that one MUST ascribe to or you simply are"uninvited".No matter what the provocation we do not respond to even the most vile attacks except by praying the Rosary(LOUDLY)and singing AVE MARIA(LOUDLY) to drown out the oppositions obscene chants.
Witness to murder and presenting the Face of Christ to the observors and media(as if they EVER report on it)is critical.We have Young people(tons)children and older folks in these marches who DO NOT see them as political rallies,but as corporal acts of mercy.
In America is EVERYTHING political?I was young during the Viet Nam war and your country almost ripped itself asunder.Is it happening again?
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Feanor2
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The Canadian Pro-Life movement sounds as if it is run much better than the American system.
It is unfortunate that in the US politics is injected into many faith based activities. The Eastern Catholics and Orthodox do a much better job with this.
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Soutane
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Too bad and unnecessary
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I don’t know if this is a fair observation to make but here goes.In Canada pro-life activities are basically Catholic-centred although more and more non-Catholic Christians are becoming much more involved which is true ecumenism.
As Canadians we get all the American media etc and are quite aware of the divisive culture war between the seculars and the religious.It is also noticeable that Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestants who have a history of direct politicism SEEM to be in the majority.The Protestants in my country seem to be much more main-line and moderate and are actually in the minority-although 80% of the Catholics here are CINO-90% in Quebec.
Is your pro-life movement Catholic or predominanltly Protestant-fundamentalist or a mixture of both?.Are the Catholics as politicised as the Fundamentalists?We get some Protestant Fundamentalist programming in Canada that emanates from the US that makes my hair stand on end.Is that why your pro-life movement seems to be so politicised,that there is no place for moderates as is evidenced by the signs you’ve seen?
I’m not criticising America-there is no other nation I would want as a neighbour but I find what you are saying to be a little bewildering.Peace.
As Canadians we get all the American media etc and are quite aware of the divisive culture war between the seculars and the religious.It is also noticeable that Fundamentalist and Evangelical Protestants who have a history of direct politicism SEEM to be in the majority.The Protestants in my country seem to be much more main-line and moderate and are actually in the minority-although 80% of the Catholics here are CINO-90% in Quebec.
Is your pro-life movement Catholic or predominanltly Protestant-fundamentalist or a mixture of both?.Are the Catholics as politicised as the Fundamentalists?We get some Protestant Fundamentalist programming in Canada that emanates from the US that makes my hair stand on end.Is that why your pro-life movement seems to be so politicised,that there is no place for moderates as is evidenced by the signs you’ve seen?
I’m not criticising America-there is no other nation I would want as a neighbour but I find what you are saying to be a little bewildering.Peace.
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Soutane
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Are you criticizing Pope Benedict XVI and his efforts to mend this gaping wound in the Body of Christ?It is a Divine Institution that is managed by mortals-so you will have all the faults of any huge bureacrary.Are you calling the vatican-i.e. the Magisterium and the Pope a liar?
Careful
I suggest you read new rules concerning criticism of the Clergy which happens to include the Pope.
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Reason being that one party has fully embraced the culture of death and one has not, You simply can not paper over the fact the the Democrat party is viruntely pro-abortion and Obama is the most pro-abortion presdident in history.I see no problem whatsoever in pointing that out.
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Feanor2
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This is the type of attitude that is seen all to often in the organized Pro-Life movement. It places this movement firmly into a certain political sphere and excludes thousands of possible allies.
Again, the Canadian movement sounds much better run and less divisive.
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centurionguard
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**From a Pro-Life stance amongst Christian Canadians what you say might sound candy-coated. And I mean no disrespect against Pro Life Canadians which I am a part of in my beloved Church.
However; there’s a overwhelming huge assailed affront with Pro-Abortion advocates staged from a political federal level in Canada. In the last 45 years from the mid 1960’s to present date we’ve seen Catholic federal politicians and Prime Ministers take their national Pro-Abortion fight to the highest levels of the courts by instituting legalized abortion. Prime Ministers Mr. Pierre E.Trudeau, Paul Martin, Jean Chretien, all supposedly good practicing Catholics. All of them strong Pro-Abortion activists.
What would make any Pro-Life activists believe that any Canadian Prime Minister; Christian, Catholic or otherwise would rescind what Mr. Pierre Elliot Trudeau instituted in the Supreme Court of Canada in the 1970’s making Abortion legal in Canada?
Nothing so proud to speak about in the fight against abortions in my beloved country Canada.**
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Feanor2
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So would you prefer that the Canadian Pro-Life movement more closely resemble that seen in the US? Do you appreciate the more politicized position in the US?
I wont march with folks who vocally and visibly disagree with me on perhaps %95 of issues. I don’t want to be seen as one of them. I am not right wing. I am Pro-Life.
The Right and the Pro-Life movement in the US have been married and, as you see, folks here don’t deny it, and in fact tout it.
This is seen more on the national movement. Things aren’t so bad on the local level- just don’t get into any kind of invoved conversation or it comes out.
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Soutane
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We have no abortion law in Canada period.It was vacated by our Activist Supreme Court.
Our Pro-Life movement is growing by leaps and bounds.Were you at the March for Life in Ottawa or any of the other major population centres?I was.So was my son-15.And his friends.It is becoming youth centred and youth driven.The Pro-Life movement is not as politicised as it is apparantly in the US.That is the point the poster was making
Is it your point that we should all give up.That it’s fait accompli?
Please.
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Soutane
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Please see this thread in Catholic News:
Astonishing And Unexpected Upsuge In Debate Over Abortion In Canada
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We have no abortion law in Canada period.It was vacated by our Activist Supreme Court.
Our Pro-Life movement is growing by leaps and bounds.Were you at the March for Life in Ottawa or any of the other major population centres?I was.So was my son-15.And his friends.It is becoming youth centred and youth driven.The Pro-Life movement is not as politicised as it is apparently in the US.That is the point the poster was making
Is it your point that we should all give up.That it’s fait accompli?
Please.
NO! My apologies. The last sentence in my last post was born out of frustration, anger, and sadness due to the fact very little or not enough is being done in my Archdiocese in the fight against abortions.
I read both articles you made reference to: forums.catholic-questions.org/index.php
lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/may/10052813.html
**I applaud them without question.
In my city in Eastern Maritime Canada, the archdiocese over a decade ago was bustling with Pro-Life activists. We even had a strong chapter in the Canadian Right to Life Association. righttolifetoronto.org/ It died and moved to western Canada because our then archbishop didn’t feel the need to support such a cause from a number of aspects including financially even though donations were falling short.
Back then I was heavily involved in the Pro-Life movement. Over the last seven years my health has deteriorated becoming terminal with cancer. I would have loved to join the March For Life in Ottawa. Beautiful city…visited there several times with my brother residing there.**
Incidentally; I have had the privileged pleasure of speaking with Archbishop Prendergast when he took temporary position as the Archbishop of Halifax, Nova Scotia when Archbishop James Hayes passed away. Love him. He’s no gun-shy archbishop. Reminds me of some fire and brimstone homilies broached from the ambo from other priests from the old seminary schools.
Sincerely;
Chris
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