For the Love Of God let's DO something

[Soutane]

NO! My apologies. The last sentence in my last post was born out of frustration, anger, and sadness due to the fact very little or not enough is being done in my Archdiocese in the fight against abortions.

I read both articles you made reference to: forums.catholic-questions.org/index.php

lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/may/10052813.html

**I applaud them without question.

In my city in Eastern Maritime Canada, the archdiocese over a decade ago was bustling with Pro-Life activists. We even had a strong chapter in the Canadian Right to Life Association. righttolifetoronto.org/** It died and moved to western Canada because our then archbishop didn’t feel the need to support such a cause from a number of aspects including financially even though donations were falling short.

Back then I was heavily involved in the Pro-Life movement. Over the last seven years my health has deteriorated becoming terminal with cancer. I would have loved to join the March For Life in Ottawa. Beautiful city…visited there several times with my brother residing there.

Incidentally; I have had the privileged pleasure of speaking with Archbishop Prendergast when he took temporary position as the Archbishop of Halifax, Nova Scotia when Archbishop James Hayes passed away. Love him. He’s no gun-shy archbishop. Reminds me of some fire and brimstone homilies broached from the ambo from other priests from the old seminary schools.

Sincerely;
Chris

I hadn’t realised the situation that you speak of in the Maritimes-my apologies.Please excuse me if I came off as too self-righteous. It is born of similar anger and frustration at this country of ours whose politicians and people seem to be following secular gods.I am truly sorry for your personal health problems and I will keep you in my prayers.God Bless You,Gordon

 

[CPA2]

The time for civil disobedience and personal revolution is here.We must be willing to be persecuted and jailed for our faith as ST Paul was and suffer literal crucifixtion if we must.All this whinging and complaining on these Catholic boards is beginning to sicken me.We are speaking to the converted or arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin-it strikes me a Pharasical.Christ didn’t argue HE DID.So did His apostles and every single one was martyred except John…Let’s not emulate the Muslims but Ghandi and offer up our bodies and become figurative and literal martyrs.Let us conduct worldwide sit ins and passive resistance.Some will be hurt and some will die but ENOUGH!!!
You Americans where is your revolutionary spirit?.The greatest flag in the world is the coiled rattlesnake with "don’t tread on me"Perhaps one of the Body,Blood.Soul and Divinity with the same slogan is more apropos.The time for talk is over.the time for action is now.I don’t have a clue as to how one can start a movement but historically movements were started by the Faithful.Now is the time for or a Crusade against immoral secularism and the sidelining of Christianity.Christians are in the vast majority in both our countries but we feel alone and isolated and helpless.For GOD"S SAKE let’s DO SOMETHING.Come on we have smart powerful professional people here-LET IT BEGIN HERE…

A good start would to vote in November against every politician who supports abortion!

 

[centurionguard]

So would you prefer that the Canadian Pro-Life movement more closely resemble that seen in the US? Do you appreciate the more politicized position in the US?

I wont march with folks who vocally and visibly disagree with me on perhaps %95 of issues. I don’t want to be seen as one of them. I am not right wing. I am Pro-Life.

The Right and the Pro-Life movement in the US have been married and, as you see, folks here don’t deny it, and in fact tout it.

This is seen more on the national movement. Things aren’t so bad on the local level- just don’t get into any kind of involved conversation or it comes out.

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So would you prefer that the Canadian Pro-Life movement more closely resemble that seen in the US? Do you appreciate the more politicized position in the US?

]In answer to both of your questions in a word “no”.

But one should not get the idea that Pro-Life verses the Pro-Abortion fight in Canada is not very much a political issue even if politicians from all camps and levels of government choose to ignore this from any scrupulous integrity whether their Christian, Catholic, Jewish or otherwise.

Former Canadian Prime Minister Jean Chretien (“a Catholic man”) was once interviewed in a one hour News show about differentiating political issues of social concerns affecting our nation. When the Abortion topic came up he avoided answering the News Anchor directly by redirecting the issue. (“All politicians are well seasoned and practiced in this”) In short he said that he didn’t mix his political views with his religious views.

Laughably and hypocritically said; because inevitably political and Christian religious scruples almost always intersect.

 

[CPA2]

The right to life for the unborn is absolute. We, as a nation, do not recognize those rights. The unborn are the invisible members of our society. We are called to stop the bloodshed of the most helpless members of our society. Abortion is about justice.

The law protects life, despite anyone’s theological beliefs or lack of religious beliefs. I want the protection of all human beings! The law does not care about beliefs. The law just regulates actions. Subjective religious beliefs do not determine the law, nor should it.

There is such a thing as Truth with a capital “T.” However, the life of a baby should not hinge upon everyone acknowledging that truth. The freedom of choice and the freedom to be an unbeliever never give anyone the right to destroy others.

The bottom line is this: Human life needs protection now!

 

[estesbob]

This is the type of attitude that is seen all to often in the organized Pro-Life movement. It places this movement firmly into a certain political sphere and excludes thousands of possible allies.

Again, the Canadian movement sounds much better run and less divisive.

1.2 million children a year killed. US Funds being used to fund abortion and forced sterilizations overseas. And your reaction-criticize thoase of us who are trying to stop it. We didnt place the movement in a political sphere-the Democrat party did when they declared unrestricted taxpayer funded abortion on demand as a fundamental “human right”

 

[4Horsemen]

Perhaps the biggest obstacle that holds the pro-life movement from getting anywhere is the Church, meaning the USCC, the bishops’ conference, which has become just another powerful interest group in Washington, D.C. What is the bishops’ first priority? Is it to end the evil of legal abortion? Sure, they oppose abortion, and various bishops do something once-in-awhile. I’m talking about the bishops united, speaking up for the unborn (the most discrimated class of people in society), requiring at least a Prayer of the Faithful to end this diabolical evil at every weekend Mass, going out to the abortion mills and praying, speaking from the pulpit, etc. . . There are so many times I hear homilies that could have included various pro-life aspects regarding abortion, euthanasia, embryonic stem-cell research, in vitro fertilization, along with concern for our neighbor. Who is the neighbor that is the “poorest of the poor?” Ask Mother Teresa.

 

[portarica]

Are you criticizing Pope Benedict XVI and his efforts to mend this gaping wound in the Body of Christ?It is a Divine Institution that is managed by mortals-so you will have all the faults of any huge bureacrary.Are you calling the vatican-i.e. the Magisterium and the Pope a liar?

Careful

I suggest you read new rules concerning criticism of the Clergy which happens to include the Pope.

I’m not criticizing any efforts that improve the situation ,after decades of deceit and condoning of abuse even the slightest improvement is better than nothing.

As to my question do you think the leadership of our church is being open and honest with us? Have they told us what they know and when they knew it?

You know what I mean, not answers to a legal deposition regarding specific instances of abuse proceeding through the courts, but responses to mothers who brought the notice of sin to pastors, bishops, cardinals and popes.

How open and truthful has the leadership been to the ones they were told to serve?

It is pretty pathetic when talking about truth in the church and what it is, sounds like Bill Clinton talking about what sex “is”.

Peace

 

[Soutane]

I’m not criticizing any efforts that improve the situation ,after decades of deceit and condoning of abuse even the slightest improvement is better than nothing.

As to my question do you think the leadership of our church is being open and honest with us? Have they told us what they know and when they knew it?

You know what I mean, not answers to a legal deposition regarding specific instances of abuse proceeding through the courts, but responses to mothers who brought the notice of sin to pastors, bishops, cardinals and popes.

How open and truthful has the leadership been to the ones they were told to serve?

It is pretty pathetic when talking about truth in the church and what it is, sounds like Bill Clinton talking about what sex “is”.

Peace

The Church seems timid to the point of not risking offending anyone,Christ spoke with the anti-thesis of of timidity and if people were offended that was their problem.

We have lost our Authority in this world by sucky Kumbaya all-inclusive Catholicism forgetting that Christ irritated the Powers and Caesar to the point thast they constasntly tried to stone Him asnd finally that he and most of the Apostles and many disciples were martyred.

As a Church the Laiety then the Bishops(some of which are doing so)-must stand up to Caesar and metaphorically spit in his eye.Be willing to suffer the consequences-don’t be silenced and bullied by the the damned who only speak the language of blasphemy.

Stand up!Be visible!Don’t allow them to mock our God and His People-make it as uncomfortable for them as they do us.Our only solace is Christ and the fact that we are doing his will.Our reward will be great and Christ will mediate for us at our last judgement

.Pity and pray for those who take the wide comfortable secular road’especially those who maintain their silence.Everyone has a dog in this fight and make no mistake this is the beginning of a civil war that will make the Viet Nam conflict in America look like child’s play.

If all Catholics And non-catholic Chruistians and Jews who realise that Liberalism HATES them and moderate muslims and thoughtful agnostics and athiests like our friend Lynx,stand up we can defeat this secular juggernaught that seeks nind control over your children,thought control over adults and introduction of laws to stifle dissent.Stand up brothers and sisters-alone and fearlessly and you will find others and the more timid joining you until we can reclaim our govenments laws and societies.

DGon’t forget to pray for the souls who asre asbout to fasll into perdition.

 

[Jobu]

This must be the Barrabas thread.

The one true Church is the Church of Christ. No need to organize, we are a community in Christ. The Church never stopped an atrocity whether it was individuals like Hitler (or Mussolini right at home) or if it was regions like Africa. The Church didn’t even stop the Romans from butchering Christiians nor Russia or Gaza from doing the same. “Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s.” Christ Himself didn’t stop the Roman’s and in fact healed Malthus’ ear when Peter applied some social justice at Gethsamane (according to Luke).

God’s Church isn’t about social justice - two words that mean nothing yet many different things to everyone who attempts to define the concept (just read this thread). The deciever of man makes promises of reform and relief through concepts like “social justice”. There is great danger here. God is justice and He doesn’t leave that to the lay people of His Church to take up. It isn’t as if we have never tried to do His job the way we saw fit though. Social justice in the hands of Catholics led to the atrocities of the Crusades, Inquistions, and the death of Saint Joan of Arc . It also led to the Church of England and the Reformation as well. We’ve lost and mislead brothers and sisters in our haste to improve others our way.

The Church is Christ. I think that Christ taught in parables because people already knew right from wrong and that this knowlege is latent in most of us. The argument is over and the parables were most often about consequences and the love of God. He didn’t knock on doors to stop adultery for example. In fact on this very topic, His presence alone led to a teachable moment we can leverage here; those without sin throw the first stone. He also recommended that the faithful pluck the beam out of our own eye so we could see the speck in our brother’s eye.

The Church is God’s through Christ and offered for you, the indiivdual. You have been blessed and asked to freely join the community. What you do now will either improve or not the lot of others. Thank God you are a part of the community of Christ! I am glad you are. I’m glad I am. I pray that my children will always be too. This is where the water is everlasting noursihment. Like you, I would like to brng a cup our thirsty brothers that attack the Church and her teachings but I can’t. I’m not fit to carry the living water. There is a sandstorm out there with plenty of parched brethren who know about about the Church but those outside the Church must find her through our actions, words, and examples and freely join her.

I love the Church and her community but I would never depend on you my fellows for social justice. You’re fallible just like me. You can rant and rage against governments and their people, laws, and regulations but keep in mind that you cannot and never will own or run them. They were Satan’s to give at a price we should never pay even when Christ walked as a man among us. The Church is His community for you and I, not a social tool of reform. Beware of these words. It is a dangerous thing to believe that our government or any other gives a whit about His Church and that this evil deception parades in the guise of “social justice”.