For the muslims

[Reuben_J]

Exactly sister dolphy,muslims’ birth rate is very high and I am sure that muslim woman knows the high birth rate of bangladesh(she informed us that she is also from bangladesh),but perhaps she will deny that(high birth rate of muslims).I wrote before in a post that in the villages of my country bangladesh every family has 9-10 members and Mullahs and Moulovies give fatwa that birth control is forbidden.And that’s why muslims are increasing in numbers just for their very high birth rate,not for conversion.But be sure,muslims will disagree with you as usual,because at any cost they will have to prove islam as the only pure religion.Anyway sister thanks for this link .Jesus bless and save you always.

Polygamy allows people to breed like rabbits. It is not unusual to hear about a Muslim having twenty to thirty children from his multiple wives. This may shock the lives of us but it is true. No exaggeration.

 

[Reuben_J]

Sorry morning_star777, I should not tell you that for it’s somethimg you already known.

 

[swariffin]

Hi

Islam is a religion; it is not a country involved in present day Politics. Please don’t mix the Muslim rulers/politicians with the religion of Islam.

Thanks

The problem is even Mohammad cannot distinguish the difference between being a religious leader and being a political leader.

 

[Reuben_J]

The problem is even Mohammad cannot distinguish the difference between being a religious leader and being a political leader.

He is lying. There is no difference between church and state in Islam. It does not separate politic and religion.

Goodness, you get to hear all these lies here. I don’t know what is this forum leading to at this rate.

 

[swariffin]

He is lying. There is no difference between church and state in Islam. It does not separate politic and religion.

Goodness, you get to hear all these lies here. I don’t know what is this forum leading to at this rate.

Do you mean Mosque instead of Church??

 

[Reuben_J]

Do you mean Mosque instead of Church??

Islam does not separate religous authority and the ruling of the country. Christianity did this one time but now most of our countries are secular. However, for Islam, governing is part and parcel of the religion.

God bless.

 

[Athanasiy]

I think , both Christians and Muslims should search the ways to co-exist peacefully and together to discover that truth which can bring us closer , and to solve the problems through the honest dialog.
And we should not ignore the advances of the mankind , the advances of mankind in knowledge , in science , the advances in in philosophy , in many other fields of the human life.
We can not ignore the advances in Justice ,
Today , we can not flog the people or amputate the peoples organs , or stone the people to death , or forcibly convert the people or nations to the religion.
We can not force them to get married without their decisions , or seclude them from public life , just because they are women and not a man.
I do not mention about the goodness or badness of the coffee , beer or wine ; goodness or badness , of some music or some literature.
The growth in knowledge , the growth in understanding is important.
And this growth shouldn’t be paralyzed by religion.
The religion should fight the idolatry , but definitely – the religion should n’t be rendered into the form of an idol.
Because , when the link between life and religion is snapped , life goes on in one direction or another but religion is reduced to a lifeless object incapable of resistance or progression.
I think that , today at the 21-st century , for the religious people , there is an urgent need in education , there is a need to be ‘constructive’ , there is a need to be ‘dynamic’ , only in this - there will be the progress and there will be the higher wisdom and understanding.

 

[ricko]

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Salaam/peace

Never read your Bible ? Jesus (p) ordered Jews to destroy the the whole city with domestic animals if people take other deity besides God. Jesus (p) allowed Moses (p) to take young virgins for him & his army etc etc . While reading Quran on verses on war , you must keep the context in mind while you do it while reading Biblical verses on war , killing etc.

Islam Denounces Terrorism

God commands justice and doing good and giving to relatives. And He forbids indecency and doing wrong and tyranny. He warns you so that hopefully you will pay heed. (Qur’an, 16:90)

…Murdering a person for no reason is one of the most obvious examples of mischief. God repeats in the Qur’an a command He formerly revealed to Jews in the Old Testament thus:

…if someone kills another person - unless it is in retaliation for someone else or for causing corruption in the earth - it is as if he had murdered all mankind. And if anyone gives life to another person, it is as if he had given life to all mankind… (Qur’an, 5:32)

islamdenouncesterrorism.com/terrorism1.htm

Muslim Woman, the statements you list as being from the Bible are unknown to any of us (Christians) I do believe you have made a gross error, if not please supply Book, Chapter and verse. You can do that can you not?

 

[Agabriel]

I think , both Christians and Muslims should search the ways to co-exist peacefully and together to discover that truth which can bring us closer , and to solve the problems through the honest dialog.
And we should not ignore the advances of the mankind , the advances of mankind in knowledge , in science , the advances in in philosophy , in many other fields of the human life.
We can not ignore the advances in Justice ,
Today , we can not flog the people or amputate the peoples organs , or stone the people to death , or forcibly convert the people or nations to the religion.
We can not force them to get married without their decisions , or seclude them from public life , just because they are women and not a man.
I do not mention about the goodness or badness of the coffee , beer or wine ; goodness or badness , of some music or some literature.
The growth in knowledge , the growth in understanding is important.
And this growth shouldn’t be paralyzed by religion.
The religion should fight the idolatry , but definitely – the religion should n’t be rendered into the form of an idol.
Because , when the link between life and religion is snapped , life goes on in one direction or another but religion is reduced to a lifeless object incapable of resistance or progression.
I think that , today at the 21-st century , for the religious people , there is an urgent need in education , there is a need to be ‘constructive’ , there is a need to be ‘dynamic’ , only in this - there will be the progress and there will be the higher wisdom and understanding.

Nothing will be done by muslims. They continually demand of us, but give nothing in return except ‘lip service’, or excuses.

Number one - muslims are told not to question anything. They cannot vote to change sharia laws and they cannot do anything to stop what the koran teaches or to change the 5 accepted translations of the koran. They will change its meanings for us - to mollify us - but continue on their merry way with their translations. Basically telling us one thing while doing another.

Maybe you should ask yourself - why is no major muslim nation helped the Iraqis when they were under a cruel thug like Saddam? Or when the people in Afghanistan were being tortured and killed by the Taliban? Or that they only cry and wail for help when the Saddam attacked the oil rich sheikhs - who seem to be able to fund the training of jihadists and attacked Israel in the past? Or none of them help out the Palistinians who can’t seem to stop sending their children out to die as martyrs and can’t seem to buy food instead of weapons to lob into Israel on a daily basis.

Should I go on?

 

[bpcatholic]

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But then again, why is after all that, **Islam is still the FASTEST GROWING RELIGION in the world ? **

Islam is the fastest growing religion because:

1. Christians don’t have the same freedoms that Muslims have in Muslim countries. Some “convert” so they can have thos freedoms and stop being harrassed. Christians can’t really teach their religion to others. Look at Saudi Arabia. There is no room for Christianity because it is frowned upon in Muslim countries. If people are allowed to preach in Muslim countries more openly with less threats I am certain there will be more Christian conversions.
2. The global population is growing pretty quickly, so I would imagine the Muslim population.
3. Not to mentioned forced conversions. I will admit it happens in some Christian circles as well.

 

[bpcatholic]

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EVER WONDER ?

…When a Christian or Jew kills someone, Religion is NOT mentioned,

But when a Muslim is charged with a crime, It is Islam that goes to Trial ?

When a muslim commits a crime, the majority of the time is in the name of Islam. When a christian commits a crime, it is usually for personal reasons.

 

[R_not]

Islam is the fastest growing religion because:

1. Christians don’t have the same freedoms that Muslims have in Muslim countries. Some “convert” so they can have thos freedoms and stop being harrassed. Christians can’t really teach their religion to others. Look at Saudi Arabia. There is no room for Christianity because it is frowned upon in Muslim countries. If people are allowed to preach in Muslim countries more openly with less threats I am certain there will be more Christian conversions.
2. The global population is growing pretty quickly, so I would imagine the Muslim population.
3. Not to mentioned forced conversions. I will admit it happens in some Christian circles as well.

The muslim population is actually growing faster. They are bringing polygamy with them in our lands and one muslim male can have dozens of kids. Many of these are supported on our dimes. One man cannot possibly support all his kids.

I have never heard of Christians forcing conversions on anyone. If it was done in the past, keep in mind that we don’t do that anymore and have not done it for centuries. What sect of Christianity does that today? While it is still happening in islam, along with slavery, honor killings, stonings, etc. Much of those types of things all disappeared in Judaism and Christianity over a millennia ago and slavery over a century ago.

 

[bpcatholic]

The muslim population is actually growing faster. They are bringing polygamy with them in our lands and one muslim male can have dozens of kids. Many of these are supported on our dimes. One man cannot possibly support all his kids.

I meant to write that one but forgot!

I have never heard of Christians forcing conversions on anyone. If it was done in the past, keep in mind that we don’t do that anymore and have not done it for centuries. What sect of Christianity does that today? While it is still happening in islam, along with slavery, honor killings, stonings, etc. Much of those types of things all disappeared in Judaism and Christianity over a millennia ago and slavery over a century ago.

What I mean by “forced” conversion is pressuring the person to convert. There are fundamentalists that do this today. Although it is not as extreme as the Muslim forced conversion, I agree. My friend was pressured into becoming a Christian once and now she doesn’t really want anything to do with Christianity.

 

[R_not]

I meant to write that one but forgot!

What I mean by “forced” conversion is pressuring the person to convert. There are fundamentalists that do this today. Although it is not as extreme as the Muslim forced conversion, I agree. My friend was pressured into becoming a Christian once and now she doesn’t really want anything to do with Christianity.

OH! You know - I get that sometimes from one guy at work. He doesn’t work there anymore, neither do I for that matter, but we would drink coffee in the morning and have our morning discussion on religion before starting work. He would work on me.

Now, here is the difference between that and islam - I was told the truth. I just recently read a post where one of the muslims wrote a post about islam against terrorism. While they do nothing except tell us that stuff - their own go on their merry way with doing terrorism. There is no effort by any group to protest the violence, to do anything other than claim victimhood even with things such as crimes since most do it in the name of islam/allah.

Oh well, you have a nice night. And if I don’t log in for the next couple of days - have a Happy New Year!!

 

[bpcatholic]

Now, here is the difference between that and islam - I was told the truth. I just recently read a post where one of the muslims wrote a post about islam against terrorism. While they do nothing except tell us that stuff - their own go on their merry way with doing terrorism. There is no effort by any group to protest the violence, to do anything other than claim victimhood even with things such as crimes since most do it in the name of islam/allah.

Agree.

Oh well, you have a nice night. And if I don’t log in for the next couple of days - have a Happy New Year!!

Happy New Year to you too!

 

[bpcatholic]

Now, here is the difference between that and islam - I was told the truth. I just recently read a post where one of the muslims wrote a post about islam against terrorism. While they do nothing except tell us that stuff - their own go on their merry way with doing terrorism. There is no effort by any group to protest the violence, to do anything other than claim victimhood even with things such as crimes since most do it in the name of islam/allah.

Agree.

Oh well, you have a nice night. And if I don’t log in for the next couple of days - have a Happy New Year!!

Happy New Year to you too!

 

[abucs]

In my opinion if there are differences between a violent and a non violent Christian, the non violent Christian can point to the example of the founder of Christianity to supports his case.

In Islam it’s the violent one who can point to the example of the founder of Islam as support for his case.

The non violent Christian clearly has the example of Jesus on his side, the violent Muslim clearly has Muhammad’s example on his.

It is logically difficult to be against war and support Muhammad’s example of war.

In contrast, it is logically difficult to be for war and support Jesus’ example of sacrificing his life and forgiving his executors.

 

[paarsurrey]

abucs; 4604217:

In Islam it’s the violent one who can point to the example of the founder of Islam as support for his case.

Hi

I think your opinion is wrong.

To me violence is an excessive state of a rage in a human being. Muhammad was the most normal person of the world, of all times, in my opinion. A violent person cannot truthfully find any excuse for assault on any innocent and peace-loving citizen quoting from Muhammad’s teachings or his deeds, impossible.

Quran was revealed piecemeal in 23 years of Muhammad’s ministry; 10 years in Mecca and 13 years in Medina. As his life proceeded with events, so did his revelation from God Allah; so Quran is no hypothetical, it is all rational. Quran encompasses, therefore, all principled teachings of Muhammad as also all principal deeds of Muhammad. It is full life account of Muhammad’s ministry and hence logically needs no external resources of history. The truthful history if any is therefore a servant of Quran; and there is no history which is more authentic and truthful than Quran about Muhammad’s life, his teachings and deeds included.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

 

[Athanasiy]

I think that the voice of the European Muslims has to be taken into account.
Their theories and explorations in Islam of the 21-st century , explorations in theology …
I do not mean the once who just got to Europe , but the once who live in Europe for generations.
I think that the Muslim spiritual leaders who had got to Europe not long time ago , they do not have the proper understanding of the time they live in , and their opinions and statements are not objective.
Because the multi-cultural Europe is religiously tolerant , and gives example of religious tolerance and peaceful co-existence.
Also , there are the problems which some times the young people have , the problems of the of sexual sins , the problems of teen pregnancies , drugs problems , and European Muslims are trying to solve these problems , by the civilized education and not by the violence.
The same by the solving of inter-religious problems , and many many other problems of the 21-st century.
And its all has to do with education .
Also , I think that the European Muslims have better understanding of the ‘’ Christian elements ‘’which are implicitly present in the humanist ethic and approach to life.
And they are more opened towards the understanding , the peaceful dialog and the peaceful co- existence.
I think that the West European Muslim thinkers should understand better , that the voluntarism its a serious moral problem for the religion .
And in this understanding of the ‘’ educated Muslims ‘’, which should enrich the Muslim opinion - there will be some progress.
This is just my opinion.
I do not believe in the progress , by the dividing the people of the world on two camps , who must hate each other and reinforce and provoke the enmity of the hatred by more and more violence.
Because , the religious hatred breeds more hatred , and will provoke worse and worse disorders .
Therefore , there are much better solutions than the ones who provoke the religious hatred.

 

[R_not]

Hi

I think your opinion is wrong.

To me violence is an excessive state of a rage in a human being. Muhammad was the most normal person of the world, of all times, in my opinion. A violent person cannot truthfully find any excuse for assault on any innocent and peace-loving citizen quoting from Muhammad’s teachings or his deeds, impossible.

Quran was revealed piecemeal in 23 years of Muhammad’s ministry; 10 years in Mecca and 13 years in Medina. As his life proceeded with events, so did his revelation from God Allah; so Quran is no hypothetical, it is all rational. Quran encompasses, therefore, all principled teachings of Muhammad as also all principal deeds of Muhammad. It is full life account of Muhammad’s ministry and hence logically needs no external resources of history. The truthful history if any is therefore a servant of Quran; and there is no history which is more authentic and truthful than Quran about Muhammad’s life, his teachings and deeds included.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna.

Thanks

here are some passages to show us this ‘normal’ guy - and this is from those so called ‘peaceful’ times in Mecca:

Ishaq:119 "'Abu Tabib, your nephew Muhammad has cursed our gods [at this point he had cursed all of them, including Allah], insulted our religion [more correctly, insulted them by trying to steal their religion], mocked our way of life and accused our forefathers of error. Either you stop him or let us get to him. For you, like us, are in opposition to him. He gave them a conciliatory reply. They returned a second time and said, ‘We have asked you to put a stop to your nephew’s activities but you have not done so. By Allah, we cannot endure having our fathers reviled and our customs mocked.’ Muhammad thought that his uncle had the idea of abandoning and betraying him, and that he was going to lose his support. The Apostle broke into tears."

Here is mohammed calling for torture and then assasination, and he attacked unarmed civilians (take note jihadists do that even to this very day):

**Ibn Ishaq tells of the conquest of Khaibar. A place where mohammed attacked without warning (no surprise here if you are reading my previous posts that mohammed was not a battle hero - but preferred to attack unarmed and unprepared people by surprise and his goals was for loot and slaves). He attacked an unarmed people while they were fleeing in Khaibar.

One of those captured was a man called Kinana al-Rabi. One of Muhammad’s most brutal acts involved a prisoner named Kinana. Kinana was one of the leaders of Khaibar. mohammed wanted him to reveal where some buried treasure was hidden. Kinana refused. Muhammad had him tortured to the point of death - he kindled a fire with flint and steel on his chest until he was nearly dead - then had him beheaded.

After mohammed did this deed to Kinana - he took Kinana’s wife and had sexual intercourse with her. (I have been asked by some ex-muslims to not say that mohammed did ‘rape’. I have no other word for what mohammed did at this time to this woman except for rape - but I can use a different word out of respect for the ex-muslims.) Whatever you want to call it - it was disgusting.

The wife of Kinana was called, Safiaya. Two years earlier mohammed had beheaded her father and and all the boys who had not reached puberty - the tribe of Quraysh. He gave her two female cousins to some other muslim males as slaves. **

mohammed’s assasinations - old man and woman still suckling her baby

This video goes into mohammed’s fears, paranoias, and a lot more