For the muslims

[paarsurrey]

Hi

Kindly quote from Quran the first and foremost source of Islam/Muhammad; that encompasses both his principal teachings and principal deeds or acts.

This is acceptable to every Muslim denomination.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

 

[planten]

**That was a good post (#15) from Muslim Woman. And the post from joshua_B (Post #13) was also very good. It is necessary to keep to the books and original teachings. We know that people nowadays are not well guided. The Muslims of Nigeria may be wrong. They may have their own axe to grind.

The christians may have doen something horrible. We should not overplay those things in our discussions. It is better to be patient and keep to the good side.**

 

[Athanasiy]

Dolphinlove has mentioned about the birth rate and the child bearing.
There is nothing more precious on this earth than the children which are born by God’s Will to this world.
Big families it’s a blessing !
To have many kids – it’s a blessing !
But the kids must be educated.
Otherwise these children are very big problem for the society.
If the family has many kids and the parents of those kids did not pay attention for education , very often the kids are just a - criminals.
What is the pride of having many kids if they are criminals .
Right ?
One thing when they do not know how to behave at public transport , on the street , or any other place . The other thing when they constantly do the crimes , and the government has to pay constantly a lot of money for their place in the prisons .
I agree , it’s a God’s commend .
-‘ Be fruitful and multiply ‘
And it’s a fulfillment of God’s commend and a biggest blessing before God to have the children .
But the parents have a duty to educate the kids.
Before to teach them to be religious they
must learn to be human .
Otherwise that creature is in danger to be the destructive type of human being , or even that human being which reminds me the – Bulgakov’s Sharikov .
The well known writer Michael Bulgakov has very interesting writing called – ‘ The heart of the dog ‘ . In this writing he figuratively shows the human unit which was produced by the un human system of Bolshevism .
The mixture of half animal and half human . In this writing , the professor who made the experiment is eventually in horror of his experimental discovery .
‘’ The horror , says the professor that that creature has already a human heart ‘’.
And he regrets that the simple cur , the pleasant street dog is transformed to that dreadful human being . Also , he is terrified by the thought about the future , ‘ - what kind of human being waits the humanity in the future?
When he say about that type of human being , I mean the brains less , cruel , heartless , rude , and may be he can imagine himself religious but to be totally Godless creature .
It was a hint towards the human being type - produced by the system , called Bolshevism .
Its not a hint towards some religious minorities or majority , its just the fact that the absence of proper ‘human education’ , the ignorance is the curse and educating the children is no less important than to give them life.
To educate them to be human , to be tolerant , to respect the opinions and confessions of others , to teach them to be human , to teach them the things of the first importance , and not the secondary things.
Because , how can I say that I love God which I did not see , if I do not love my neighbor which I see ?
I grew up among very conservative Evangelical community , there was and there is a strong believe that the woman is saved by the child bearing.
Of course as I mentioned - many kids in the family it is adornment of the religion and spirituality.
But what is interesting that , when there was a wave of emigration from the ex-communists countries to the United States , and thousands of families emigrated , later according to the statistics , the kids of those families had a very serious problems with a law and Justice , and its in any State in U.S. where they settled down – they were setting up the records in criminality.
The believers parents had many children but they did not pay attention to educate them , or may be did not have the time to educate them.
So , by this example , I do not want to insult any religious minority or majority , It can be applied to any religion.
But I do not agree with child bearing without upbringing the children !!
Dostoevskiy once said , that the beauty will save the world , but I would say that the love will save the world.
And in order to come towards this understanding , there is a need of education.
I think that the progress will be - when the world will use the recover mind through the education or otherwise - the world will comes to its end by the curse of ignorance .
And then we ‘ ll see more bloodsheds , more wars , more hatred and the things which will bring the world to the catastrophic end .

May be my theories seems too easy and not realistic , but there is no any other way for the progress !

 

[abucs]

Perhaps Dostoevskiy meant ‘love through beauty’ ?

 

[planten]

I think that the voice of the European Muslims has to be taken into account.
Their theories and explorations in Islam of the 21-st century , explorations in theology …
I do not mean the once who just got to Europe , but the once who live in Europe for generations.
I think that the Muslim spiritual leaders who had got to Europe not long time ago , they do not have the proper understanding of the time they live in , and their opinions and statements are not objective.
Because the multi-cultural Europe is religiously tolerant , and gives example of religious tolerance and peaceful co-existence.
Also , there are the problems which some times the young people have , the problems of the of sexual sins , the problems of teen pregnancies , drugs problems , and European Muslims are trying to solve these problems , by the civilized education and not by the violence.
The same by the solving of inter-religious problems , and many many other problems of the 21-st century.
And its all has to do with education .
Also , I think that the European Muslims have better understanding of the ‘’ Christian elements ‘’which are implicitly present in the humanist ethic and approach to life.
And they are more opened towards the understanding , the peaceful dialog and the peaceful co- existence.
I think that the West European Muslim thinkers should understand better , that the voluntarism its a serious moral problem for the religion .
And in this understanding of the ‘’ educated Muslims ‘’, which should enrich the Muslim opinion - there will be some progress.
This is just my opinion.
I do not believe in the progress , by the dividing the people of the world on two camps , who must hate each other and reinforce and provoke the enmity of the hatred by more and more violence.
Because , the religious hatred breeds more hatred , and will provoke worse and worse disorders .
Therefore , there are much better solutions than the ones who provoke the religious hatred.

** That is a good post. That reminds me of the Ahmadi Muslim community slogan (Motto) “Love for All. Hatred for None**.” I also feel that love solves most problems, not hatred. The christians also boast about love. They say their only law is love and nothing else.

So welcome, all join hands in promoting love affairs.

 

[Eucharisted]

Soooo…what?

Am I suppose to believe from the story that Muslims are evil? Or Muslims must defend their faith? Or some such rubbish?

Take the pole out of your own eye before you try to take the splinter from your brother’s eye. That’s all I have to say.

 

[Athanasiy]

** That is a good post. That reminds me of the Ahmadi Muslim community slogan (Motto) “Love for All. Hatred for None**.” I also feel that love solves most problems, not hatred. The christians also boast about love. They say their only law is love and nothing else.

So welcome, all join hands in promoting love affairs.

I wish that this world would be the brotherly world and the world where there is a peace.
But one can not believe in it , looking at the events in today’s world.
It is because the humans are infected by sin , by original sin.
This world is full with evil and sin.

Very often the greed and consumerism are used under the mask of religion.

Some think that the solution of the problems is in the anti-Muslim racism or anti-Arab racism ,

Or the solution of the problem is in promoting the terrorism.

Unfortunately , we can not live in the peaceful world , and we shall not live in the peaceful world , but the duty of the people of good will , no matter the name of their religion , is - to attempt to limit the damage.