For those Pre-V2

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I went through catechism in the late 1970’s and between my Aunt (catechism teacher) and my mother, I grew up with a healthy dose of fear. I was afraid of what my sins did to my soul, and I was afraid of going to hell. However, I never felt that God didn’t love me, or that He was this angry, Supreme Being, who just couldn’t wait to scratch another notch in His belt. I was taught to fear God, but I was also taught that all I needed to do was be sorry for my sins and ask for forgiveness and He would forgive me. How is that a bad thing?
 
I remember the stations of the cross and the figures really showed me the story.
And my class went to see Ben Hur there I realized how forgiving Jesus really was when He said Father forgive them for they know not what they do.
Before that I was afraid of hell but after I wanted to go be with Jesus in heaven so i tried to be good. Dessert
 
RobedWithLight said:
**My friend, how can an image of a Risen Christ be wierd? :confused: **

In my parish, we still have an image of the Crucified Christ in any case.
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RWL,

I wanted to make this response directly to the poster to whom you are responding, but I liked yours as an opener:

It is mandatory in every CATHOLIC Church, NO or Traditional, to have an image of the Crucified Christ, either on or above the Altar. Even Churches who are named for the Resurrected Lord must have one.

To say “in most NO Churches,” as the poster above has said, is just plain inaccurate.

There is more than enough to legitimately and CONSTRUCTIVELY criticize in many NO Parishes. So no confusion, I am a Traditionalist, but let us all be accurate, at least! Inaccuracy leads to further division…
 
maurin said:
RWL,

I wanted to make this response directly to the poster to whom you are responding, but I liked yours as an opener:

It is mandatory in every CATHOLIC Church, NO or Traditional, to have an image of the Crucified Christ, either on or above the Altar. Even Churches who are named for the Resurrected Lord must have one.

To say “in most NO Churches,” as the poster above has said, is just plain inaccurate.

There is more than enough to legitimately and CONSTRUCTIVELY criticize in many NO Parishes. So no confusion, I am a Traditionalist, but let us all be accurate, at least! Inaccuracy leads to further division…
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I agree. All the churches that I’ve seen, had the Crucifix at the altar. I think we should strive to be more fair and accurate in our assessments and not let our emotions or loyalty to a certain point of view blind us.
 
RobedWithLight said:
I agree. All the churches that I’ve seen, had the Crucifix at the altar. I think we should strive to be more fair and accurate in our assessments and not let our emotions or loyalty to a certain point of view blind us.
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Then please call my Bishop and tell him of our predicament.

Apparently my diocese is falling behind the norms of the RCC.
 
Missa_Solemnis said:
Then please call my Bishop and tell him of our predicament.

Apparently my diocese is falling behind the norms of the RCC.
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Missa Solemnis,

have you spoken to your Bishop? I would gladly contribute to any fund you set up in order to provide the Churches of your Diocese with images of Our Suffering Lord on the Cross.
 
Listener said:
I grew up with the Latin Mass in the 1950’s. I remember as a child that I was constantly terrified that I might commit a mortal sin and get thrown into hell. They may have preached the same God that they do now, but He didn’t seem very loving to me. I thought that he was sitting up there waiting for me to slip up. Remember that just eating meat on a Friday was enough to send you to hell in those days. I imagined Jesus sitting up in Heaven with His Notebook just waiting for someone to slip up.

Thank God for the Charismatic Renewal! That was finally what made me see and feel how what a loving Friend we have in Jesus!

They may have gone overboard with teaching that is too lenient, but I doubt if children nowadays suffer like I did!
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I’m sure God didn’t mean for you to suffer so because after confession and receiving the Sacrament of Reconciliation you would want to “feel” the forgiveness from Jesus.
Jesus said He would call us friends as we abide by His word and this is what the Catholic Church teaches.
The wonderfull good feeling song what a friend we have is a nice song but it is very protestant and gives the feeling that we sre ok but does nothing for any enlightenment of wrong doing.
Atrue friend will tellyou when you are worng.
My daughter used to love the song about being a friend means you never have to say I’m sorry but I think i don’t have the title right.
when I was in the other faiths I believed that too till I saw that you do have to admit and say you are sorry and a true friend forgives and I have to forgive and receive God’s healing in the Holy Spirit. So Jesus calls us friends. God’s friendship and fellowship through the Sacraments of the church.
God Bless you Dessert
 
Pre- V2 or post- V2 you can still go to hell.
Christ’s crucifixion is your salvation so why not remind yourself and contemplate the Crucifix.
Just remember you are going to meet your “Friend” judgment day so be prepared.

And unto man He said, behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to depart from evil is understanding.
Job 28:28

Jesus is more than just your Good Buddy.
 
UKcatholicGuy said:
I’ve always loved that quote from Newman! I believe that comes from a sermon he gave while still Anglican. At any rate, it’s especially true today.
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And it was quoted in the 19th century which has been ridiculed as being too conservative and prim…
 
Cranch said:
These lines are from the sermon The Religion of the Day, written by the Anglican Newman in 1834, eleven years before becoming a Catholic. Edited out in the excerpt above was also “no loyalty to the Holy Apostolic Church…”. I’m guessing Newman in this sermon was mostly targeting the Church of England which, years later, he finally determined was not Apostolic and he converted to Catholicism, perhaps also seeing in her a church “more fierce in its religion.”
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Did he write some other stuff after his conversion? Do you have a site for it? Dessert
 
I read and printed it. Maybe he was in the time the free masons were really starting to attack the Catholic Church more and more. From his sermon I get the feeling he is a very just person and maybe he saw the righteousness in the church so he wanted to defend it. Or maybe they were pressureing him to join the masons. Maybe his bishop was making him a scapegoat for the movement. I’ll bet he really studied the church before he conveted so it must have been a very serious choice for him. One of the verses that I see in the sermon is that he talks about like it is in the time of Jonah in so much as people are asleep in their denial of evil. And the one about God being a jealous God. How did he die? Maybe I should start a thread on him on the non-cathoic forum to get some angelicans opinions or is their another thread on this topic? He definately was pre V-2 day so the RCC was much more strict or less lenient? Dessert
 
Cranch said:
Here you go, Dessert. You can find examples of both Anglican and Catholic writing by clicking the “Works” link: newmanreader.org/
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Thanks very nice site I will have a lot of reading to do. From what I have read it sounds like he had Freud (consciencesness ) to deal with too unless I have the dates wrong. Dessert
 
dessert said:
Thanks very nice site I will have a lot of reading to do. From what I have read it sounds like he had Freud (consciencesness ) to deal with too unless I have the dates wrong. Dessert
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Regarding Freud, who was born in 1856, I’d be surprised. I don’t think he published anything in book form before 1900, ten years after Newman’s passing.
 
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