For those who want a legal end to Gay Marriage

[pathia]

It can’t ever be done scientifically, or it can’t be done in cases like yours? Or are you saying that since it can’t be done “for all”, it can’t be done at all?

Law requires definitions. Stating that only a ‘man’ can marry a ‘woman’ creates all sorts of legal loopholes because of the rather variable state of what is man and what is woman.

Like I said, I can marry a man in some states, women in others. It’s completely variable as to what definition applies to me because every state has a different definition and standard. ie: I am a living violation of DOMA.

I could marry someone in one state legally, have it be viable in others, OK in some others, even if it looked like a completely gay or straight marriage, depending on whether I married a man or a woman.

 

[bookgirl32]

Law requires definitions. Stating that only a ‘man’ can marry a ‘woman’ creates all sorts of legal loopholes because of the rather variable state of what is man and what is woman.

Like I said, I can marry a man in some states, women in others. It’s completely variable as to what definition applies to me because every state has a different definition and standard. ie: I am a living violation of DOMA.

I could marry someone in one state legally, have it be viable in others, OK in some others, even if it looked like a completely gay or straight marriage, depending on whether I married a man or a woman.

I’m talking scientifically though. XY or XX chromosomes no longer define, scientifically, a man or a woman? I realize in some cases it can’t be done, as in yours, but someone who is not in your situation?

 

[pathia]

I’m talking scientifically though. XY or XX chromosomes no longer define, scientifically, a man or a woman? I realize in some cases it can’t be done, as in yours, but someone who is not in your situation?

1 in 1666 people do not have XY or XX chromosomes (That’s 180,000 in the US alone). There are men (who can even have kids) that are XX. There are women who are XY. There are people who are XXY, there are people who have all sorts of combinations.

This has always been the case, and the more we study more variations and different ways it seems to occur. We have never been able to do mass genetic testing until recently. They had to completely abolish gender testing at the Olympics. A decade or two ago they tried it. A woman was kicked out for testing XY as a male, but the very next year she gave birth to her first child.

There is a very small segment of the Y chromosome called the SRY gene. It is a frisky little critter, and it known to hitch itself onto the X chromosome. This is how you get XX men. Sometimes an XY person won’t have it, they will end up female, because all of us start female, period. There is a trigger 6weeks in that actually makes the sexes diverge. For the first 6 weeks we are all female, until otherwise directly. This can go awry in many ways, not just chromosomes, but hormones, or other genes elsewhere in the chromosomes can trigger other differences.

 

[LambOfGod]

Lamb, who is anyone to judge the morals of others - you can’t presume to judge someone. Also, on the other side gay couples do take in as foster parents or through adoption children that “no one else wants”. I thank them for that. Just because they are gay does not mean they are immoral horrible people or that their children will grow up to be either.

They are plenty of children from straight married couples - Catholics even- that grow up to be horribly immoral people - but because these innocent children are children of gays they are still more immoral and screw the world up more than these other messed up children turned adults? I don’t buy that for 1 second.

God judges, what I say is my opinion. Horrible is your word, not mine. Like it or not, men having sex with other men or women with other women or people who have sex with both is backwards, un-natural and a dirty sin … just like mastubating is a un-clean dirty sin.

It produces nothing but fornication.

Rather then try and twist or add to what I say … Look to Jesus with a honest heart and let Him change your life.

 

[jean8]

Do you also want a legal end to all marriage that occur outside of the Catholic Church. A heterosexual marriage by a justice of the peace is no more a sacremental marriage than a homosexual one.

And the basis of the argument seems to generally be a homosexual marriage is not a true marriage becuase of the “guidelines” of the Sacrament.

Not to mention a law would not stop homosexual couples, all it would do is stop them from recieving the financial benifits that come with a government(not church) recognized marraige. Tax breaks, pensions, social security, etc.

The couple may spend 50 years together, married or not. But when one dies, the other gets nothing, becuase legally, he has no connection to the deceased.

14th ammendment to the Constitution-“Equal Protection Under The Law”

When you can convince yourself gay marriage is okay then you can look for ‘christian’ churches to okay the marriage.
There are a few churches that marry same sex couples, but they are now an apostate church. They have thrown out the word of God.
The Bible clearly teaches Homosexuality is a sin and a perversion.
Rom.1;24-32. if you read the passage, you will find other sins listed as well. Couples living together is a sin too. So much for finger pointing. Shall we pray and repent, today?

jean8

 

[jean8]

Actually, I don’t believe in gay “marriage,” I was just correcting the fallacy that the constitution “grants” rights. It doesn’t, it only enumerates some of the right that were in specific need of mentioning at the time it was written.

LCMS no more?
Does your name indicates that your an ex-LCMS or that the church no longer exists? I would assume it’s the first thought I mentioned.

jean8

 

[jean8]

not to be rude, but how rare is your condition? I have never heard of that happening.

salsa,
If your not embellishing your story, which is very unusual, you have my sympathy.
You must remember , God looks on the heart of man. God knows what you are. The important thing is , for you to know who and what you are also.

jean8

 

[jean8]

Law requires definitions. Stating that only a ‘man’ can marry a ‘woman’ creates all sorts of legal loopholes because of the rather variable state of what is man and what is woman.

Like I said, I can marry a man in some states, women in others. It’s completely variable as to what definition applies to me because every state has a different definition and standard. ie: I am a living violation of DOMA.

I could marry someone in one state legally, have it be viable in others, OK in some others, even if it looked like a completely gay or straight marriage, depending on whether I married a man or a woman.

Gay marriage? That’s a oxymoran.
You can give this perversion any name you wish, it’s still a sin in the eyes of God.You may also look at this perversion as a sign of the End Times. twenty short years ago, this was never discussed. see how far we have come.

jean8

 

[Dale_M]

twenty short years ago, this was never discussed.

Oh, not true!
fordham.edu/halsall/pwh/lgbcathbib8.html