Forbidden Theologians Speaking Out of Diocese

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Controversial theologian Michael Voris was recently forbidden to speak in the Scranton Diocese. I’m wondering how that works, because, a well known schismatic, Gerry Matatics, was recently invited to speak in the Allentown Diocese, about the topic, “sedevacantism”. Granted, he is speaking at an individual’s home, and not a church, but he was invited by a Diocesan priest. How is one permissible, and not the other?
 
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Controversial theologian Michael Voris was recently forbidden to speak in the Scranton Diocese. I’m wondering how that works, because, a well known schismatic, Gerry Matatics, was recently invited to speak in the Allentown Diocese, about the topic, “sedevacantism”. Granted, he is speaking at an individual’s home, and not a church, but he was invited by a Diocesan priest. How is one permissible, and not the other?
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Each bishop controls his own diocese. What one bishop decides on many issues only affects his diocese and other bishop are free to decide differently

Having said this, what you are talking about the bishop really has no say in. Michael Voris could speak at a private home in the Scranton Diocese. The bishop only decides on who can and can not speak on diocesen property and/or diocese functions.

It really does not matter that a diocesen priest invited him, it is a private function not run by the diocese, at least that is how it looks to me.
 
Brother,
If you don’t mind my asking, what is your personal opinion of Michael Voris? Personally,’ he seems very orthodox but I’m a little wary of what I see as intransigeance and perhaps, at times, lack of charity. If you could shed some light, I’d appreciate it (PM me if you’d rather not share your views publicly). Thank you.
 
Besides the fact he has the most awful trump-like toupee ever I would be leary of him. He seems to take necessary topics and reduce them to a standup routine complete with sound affects that are worse than my bro learned in highschool sound design.

He seems to treat all other media with an opposing opinion as stuipd. I would literally rather get my news from NPR (who surprizingly poke fun at liberals, but when they do it, its funny)
 
Thing is that mostly everyone knows him because of the Vortext. But Real Catholic TV has a lot, and I mean a lot, of great orthodox info on the Church and many other subjects. I would suggest to try out the site first and make your own decesion. Do I agree with Michale say 100%? No, but I agree with a lot of things he does say. Sometimes he can be a “non-charitable”, but I’ve yet to ever hear him preach anything against the Church or something that may be considered a sin. A lot of people who hate him tend to be more liberal-minded, so what! We all have our opinions. As I said I don’t agree with everything he says, but I’ve learned more about the faith because of RCTV.
 
Robertanthony said:
Brother,
If you don’t mind my asking, what is your personal opinion of Michael Voris? Personally,’ he seems very orthodox but I’m a little wary of what I see as intransigeance and perhaps, at times, lack of charity. If you could shed some light, I’d appreciate it (PM me if you’d rather not share your views publicly). Thank you.
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It’s too bad that Mr. Voris doesn’t or won’t trace the problems back to their point of origin. Yes, there are many abuses and the acceptance of heresy in the Church in America, but why are these things continually allowed or seemingly never punished? Isn’t there somebody who could do something about dissident bishops? You know, a supreme head of sorts?
 
purplesunshine said:
Besides the fact he has the most awful trump-like toupee ever I would be leary of him. He seems to take necessary topics and reduce them to a standup routine complete with sound affects that are worse than my bro learned in highschool sound design.

He seems to treat all other media with an opposing opinion as stuipd. I would literally rather get my news from NPR (who surprizingly poke fun at liberals, but when they do it, its funny)
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Whatever the content of his material or his personal orthodoxy, Mr. Voris comes across like a dime-store Bill O’Reilly (having seemingly “borrowed” his pencil-waving “Vortex” thing from Mr. O’Reilly’s “No-Spin Zone”), coupled with the worst of old Senator Joe McCarthy’s tendency for the smear and guilt-by-association. I can’t get past his style.
 
I have yet to find Michael Voris saying anything untrue. Regardless of how he comes across (rude, arrogant, in-your-face, loud, obnoxious, uncharitable…as he is often called), you have to realize that he tells a truth that FEW want to hear or admit to. And that takes guts and humility. I have nothing but respect for a man that is willing to be blatantly honest in defending the faith that he loves.

FWIW, I met him (name removed by moderator)erson once and his hair real. 😉

-ahs
 
ahs I completly agree! Those that talk bad about him, well that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I ask you would you have the same guts to go public and defend your faith with no compromise?
 
ahs I completly agree! Those that talk bad about him, well that’s your opinion and you are entitled to it, but I ask you would you have the same guts to go public and defend your faith with no compromise?
 
ahs said:
I have yet to find Michael Voris saying anything untrue. Regardless of how he comes across (rude, arrogant, in-your-face, loud, obnoxious, uncharitable…as he is often called), you have to realize that he tells a truth that FEW want to hear or admit to.
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There are obviously two issues with this guy:
  1. Does he tell the truth?
  2. Does he do so appropriately?
Even if he’s telling the truth, that doesn’t exempt him from standards of courtesy, charity, good taste, etc. Crudity and verbal violence are glorified in pop culture these days. You can see these methods as examples of “courage,” or you can seem them as just caving in to a depraved culture.

However, it seems highly dubious that he is in fact doing a good job of representing orthodox Catholicism. Clearly many Catholics think otherwise. The fact that you like him doesn’t make what he says the truth. He is human and subject to error. Which is why his belligerent tone is so inappropriate. Human beings ought to be more modest, knowing how prone we are to error.

Edwin
 
I do not believe that this thread was meant to be about Michael Voris but rather about how bishops work in saying who can and who can not speak in their diocese.
 
I’m just happy to hear that bishops are starting to take disciplinary action again. For most of my life, the shepherd’s crooks have been ornamental, rather than for beating wolves on the head.

I’ve seen Voris only a handful of times and what I take away from it has been the recognition that “Huh, I guess I really DO need to pay as much attention to loving people as I do to being right in what I say.” Being right, but projecting hostility and disdain makes good ratings and fires up the like minded, but it convinces nobody of anything. It just serves to polarize the world further. Do we really need that?
 
This thread is so confusing. Are people actually criticizing prosyltizing of traditional Catholicism in the traditional Catholicism forum? :confused:

The Church needs people like him, desperately.
 
The Church desperately needs leadership that speaks the truth in love.

Attempted leaders who neglect one or the other of these aspects aren’t helping very much, IMO. I’m not trying to focus on any single person here. To the OP’s point, it is the bishop’s job to weed out those who get out of balance on one side or the other of those two aspects of evangelization and leadership.
 
ByzCath said:
I do not believe that this thread was meant to be about Michael Voris but rather about how bishops work in saying who can and who can not speak in their diocese.
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Thank you for your opinion on the legality of speaking at a private home.

It is interesting that Voris is more controversial than Matatics, even though you would think otherwise, given the very topic he will be addressing this weekend. Because I’m disabled, I don’t get to do nearly as much reading or TV as I would like, hardly any, but from what I’ve seen of Voris’s videos, I haven’t come across anything I’d like him to do different. Matatics is very gifted, but sadly, he’s gone off the edge.
 
CatholicBoy1957 said:
Thank you for your opinion on the legality of speaking at a private home.

It is interesting that Voris is more controversial than Matatics, even though you would think otherwise, given the very topic he will be addressing this weekend. Because I’m disabled, I don’t get to do nearly as much reading or TV as I would like, hardly any, but from what I’ve seen of Voris’s videos, I haven’t come across anything I’d like him to do different. Matatics is very gifted, but sadly, he’s gone off the edge.
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It’s a matter of notoriety too. People who get themselves noticed and display a modest level of problem are more likely to receive official censor than those with gravely erroneous ideas that few have ever heard of. You don’t smash a fly with a sledgehammer…
 
Contarini said:
There are obviously two issues with this guy:
  1. Does he tell the truth?
  2. Does he do so appropriately?
Even if he’s telling the truth, that doesn’t exempt him from standards of courtesy, charity, good taste, etc. Crudity and verbal violence are glorified in pop culture these days. You can see these methods as examples of “courage,” or you can seem them as just caving in to a depraved culture.

However, it seems highly dubious that he is in fact doing a good job of representing orthodox Catholicism. Clearly many Catholics think otherwise. The fact that you like him doesn’t make what he says the truth. He is human and subject to error. Which is why his belligerent tone is so inappropriate. Human beings ought to be more modest, knowing how prone we are to error.

Edwin
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I don’t think he is telling the truth because I like him. I like him because he is telling the truth. Everything he says can be backed by scripture, CCC, and actual hard data. I challenge you to show me otherwise. Whether he is prone to error or not doesn’t matter because everything that he goes public with is, in fact, true.

There is nothing in Church teaching that tells us we have to be nice when we tell the truth. We are called to teach the truth, even at the expense of martyrdom. Was Jesus nice and “charitable” or “courteous” when he fashioned a whip and threw the merchants out of the temple? Are we not called to follow Jesus’s example?

It does certainly help get our message out to more ears when we speak the truth in a more kind and gentle manner. But some truths cannot be spoken in that manner and still be taken seriously. Mr. Voris takes on those truths.

The only way to tell the truth “appropriately” is to do it with honesty. The truth is never popular, so it’s not surprising that he makes many people uncomfortable. Being nice does not equate to truth.

-ahs
 
manualman said:
I’m just happy to hear that bishops are starting to take disciplinary action again. For most of my life, the shepherd’s crooks have been ornamental, rather than for beating wolves on the head.

I’ve seen Voris only a handful of times and what I take away from it has been the recognition that “Huh, I guess I really DO need to pay as much attention to loving people as I do to being right in what I say.” Being right, but projecting hostility and disdain makes good ratings and fires up the like minded, but it convinces nobody of anything. It just serves to polarize the world further. Do we really need that?
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Too bad it’s not against those preaching heresesy, at least I’ve yet to see it.
 
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