Forbidden to attend Catholic Baptism

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Well I guess that is a way to view your religion if you wish. I prefer not to, which is probably why I don’t subscribe to any one religion.
 
If you (or even dissenting Catholics) believed unrepented homosexual relations prevented us to be received into the promise of the Lord’s kingdom, you might appreciate the severity of the situation.
 
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If you (or even dissenting Catholics) believed unrepented homosexual relations prevented us to be received into the promise of the Lord’s kingdom, you might understand the severity of the situation.
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I understand what you and other Catholics believe to be the severity of the situation. I don’t believe the premise of it. Why that, in your mind, precludes me from witnessing Catholic events, sacraments, liturgies, and anything else is what I don’t understand. If you could point me to where the CCC or other Church teaching articulates that, then I will be able to understand it even if I don’t agree with it. You can’t, because there is no such teaching. Therefore, you shouldn’t be trying to pass it off as Church teaching. That is all I am saying.
 
I am not commenting on the father’s statement about homosexuality. But it is not place to draw a line by telling someone they are not allowed to attend a Catholic liturgical function. Period. Perhaps in a few limited scenarios a priest can do so, but a parent of a child being baptized cannot. To me, this is the key point. I am actually surprised any one thinks a lay person would ever have a right to do so or that this is ever a proper thing to do.

Yes, we have a problem with a culture that is trying to make a sinful lifestyle seem normal or even good. This is most certainly not the way to address it.
 
I have gay friends. Yet, I believe they aren’t examples of the faithful to be participating in my children’s faith formation and sacrament celebrations.
 
I don’t mean to be rude I truly would like to understand the Catholic view as I’m learning more about my faith.

Having someone as a friend who is living with a SS partner is ok?

So when scripture speaks of “do not walk in the way of sinners…” or yes Jesus sat with sinners but He stated things like “sin no more”.

I’m just confused because I thought we were supposed to follow Jesus example in telling folks what they don’t want to hear sometimes if it doesn’t align with the faith. Jesus wasn’t ok with sinful actions.

But from what I’m hearing friendship is way more important than that.

Maybe I’m just tired.

I found an article online to share for those interested, I just wanted to learn more and appreciate the priests views. I’m still reading it
https://www.osv.com/OSVNewsweekly/A...13567/ArticleID/14743/Are-gay-friends-OK.aspx
 
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I have gay friends. Yet, I believe they aren’t examples of the faithful to be participating in my children’s faith formation and sacrament celebrations.
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Then I trust that you do a thorough background check on anyone who does participate. Eliminate all the sinners, and it will be a very lonely celebration.
 
No, but if a homosexually active friend wished to come to my child’s Sacrament, I would ask them not to. It’s a contradiction. They cannot simultaneously be living in a gravely sinful lifestyle without remorse and even claiming that it is good, and still support my child’s Sacrament.

It’s very fundamental.

If you want to support… then profess the faith.
 
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If they are unrepentant than there is a big difference. These sorts of sins are graver than other ones so it doesn’t necessarily have to expand to all sinners.
 
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They cannot simultaneously be living in a gravely sinful lifestyle without remorse and even claiming that it is good, and still support my child’s Sacrament.
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They aren’t Catholic. They don’t believe what you believe. Remember the three things that have to be present for a mortal sin to be mortal. They are missing. All three of them!

And if you want to eliminate everyone in mortal sin from coming to your kid’s sacraments, then it will be pretty lonely there.
 
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Ummm… did I call it mortal?

I’ve said my peace in this thread. I don’t care to listen to manipulation attempts.
 
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No, but going by Catholic teaching if it isn’t mortal then it defaults to venial, yes? If I remember correctly, there are only two kinds, and if not one then it is the other. You wish to bar people from witnessing sacraments in the Church because at worst they are in the middle of comitting a veniel sin? You may as well stay home then, too.

You see, it isn’t a good place to be when you start down that road. You give poor witness to the religion itself. I can say so, because I am not in the religion so I look at it from the eyes of an outsider. Your actions don’t say what I think you hope they say.
 
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Actually grave matter and deliberate consent are present, only full knowledge is potentially lacking and not everyone is in a state of mortal sin so I’m not sure if it will be lonely or not.
 
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And we don’t know if that is lacking or not. Nor is it our concern to judge one’s soul. The sin which is apparent is the reason which contradicts supporting Baptism.

And you don’t have to be Catholic to commit Mortal sin.
 
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I know that, but you said that all three factors were lacking when only one was.
 
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I know that, but you said that all three factors were lacking when only one was.
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You are right. From where I stand, all three are missing because I don’t consider it grave matter, since it isn’t grave matter there is nothing to consent to, and of course the knowledge is missing. But your point is taken.
 
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I know that, but you said that all three factors were lacking when only one was.
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You are right. From where I stand, all three are missing because I don’t consider it grave matter, since it isn’t grave matter there is nothing to consent to, and of course the knowledge is missing. But your point is taken.
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What does what you consider to be grave matter have to do with the Catholic Faith?
 
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Using personal standards in things like this doesn’t really make sense.
 
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