Forbidden to attend Catholic Baptism

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rcwitness said:
I have gay friends. Yet, I believe they aren’t examples of the faithful to be participating in my children’s faith formation and sacrament celebrations.
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Are you saying that you tell these friends not to attend any sacramental celebrations pertaining to your children? What about a Jewish friend? A Muslim friend? And, in this case, an Episcopalian friend? How do you tell them they are not invited? Would you attend any of their celebrations?
 
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What does what you consider have to do with the Catholic Faith?
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A lot. We all believe what we believe. I can go into a Catholic Church and I can associate with Catholics and I can still believe whatever I believe. That is sort of a large part of what Catholicism is about, isn’t it? Free will? That is the whole issue I have with your premise that people who don’t believe the same as you don’t belong at Catholic Church events such as sacraments. What may be grave matter for you, may or may not be for me. God is the judge now and will be final judge, won’t he? I think he has a far better understanding of our human limitations than we do. We should try to follow that example.

I have to tell you, I am shocked at your belief that people who don’t follow your moral code should be excluded from Church events. I grew up in a very Catholic family and community, and for all the things I found I couldn’t buy into, one of the pillars of the faith was that Catholic=Universal and nobody gets turned away…Ever. It was and still is a beautiful part of the faith.

It seems no conversation here will lead you to consider a different view than the one you hold, so I am going to bow out for now.
 
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QwertyGirl said:
That is sort of a large part of what Catholicism is about, isn’t it? Free will to believe and do as one sees fit?
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Actually that is almost the exact opposite of what Catholicism is about.
 
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The Catholic Church is all about free will. Without free will, I would argue, you don’t even have a religion. The Church teaches all about informed conscience. Free will goes hand in hand with that.
 
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Right! All are welcome to Mass, and listen, pray, participate (save Communion)

The difference in a situation like this, is that this is a friend who the parents know is in an unremorsefully sinful relationship which the Church is strongly against. So the reason the friend is attempting to attend is to slecifically appear to support, which is obviously not true in reality.
 
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Yeah but the free will is supposed to be conformed to the teachings of Jesus, not being allowed to choose what is right and wrong based on preference. So the two are opposed.
 
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rcwitness said:
So the reason the friend is attempting to attend is to slecifically appear to support, which is obviously not true in reality.
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Again, that is doubtful. The friend, most likely, wishes to attend to be present for the milestone and celebrate with the family. Support is probably not a motive for attending.
 
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Yeah but the free will is supposed to be conformed to the teachings of Jesus, not being allowed to choose what is right and wrong based on preference. So the two are opposed.
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The concept of free will doesn’t originate with any one religion. A Muslim isn’t, obviously, going to conform their choices made with free will to the teachings of Jesus. What you are referring to is how the Church believes people should use their free will. What I was referring to is that the Church makes it clear we each have free will. These are two different things.
 
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rcwitness said:
Celibrate, but not support? Sigh…
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Yes. For example if someone is leaving their job to take another job and you think it is a terrible idea, you may choose to still attend the going-away party to celebrate them taking a big step in life and to wish them well. You aren’t going to support their decision to take a job that you think is going to be a loser.

Another example, you may choose to go to your sister’s wedding even though you can’t stand the groom and think he is a terrible choice. Not to support it, but to celebrate the milestone and to convey to your sister (and new husband) that you wish them the best.

In other words, even though you disagree with the situation, ,you find something to appreciate about it so you go to celebrate. If they are happy, you are happy for their happiness. You can do that with people of other religions and their milestones, also.
 
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Your analogies are far from recognizing the reality of the situation. Baptism means being forgiven from sin!!! So supporting or even celibrating a Baptism while openly professing, by your lifestyle, something which the Church Teaches is a very serious sin is an incredibly profound contradiction!
 
It’s only a part of Catholicism in the same way murder and theft is.
 
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Well, have it your way, then.

I was just looking over my calendar and realized in a few weeks I am attending my nephew’s Catholic baptism. I am so glad my relatives have a different view than yours. It will be a wonderful day with a lot of celebration.
 
That’s their choice

I wish you would actually support the Baptism. And I mean in truth!
 
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MiserereMei25 said:
I would invite you both to my sons baptism if you were my friend.
I think he acted morally wrong to tell you that.
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Woah woah woah. What’s going on here? Not just this poster but everyone. Of course he shouldn’t be allowed to attend with his SS partner (unless they are specifically both asked to attend together). I have read countless threads on this subject where the OP was the Catholic and everyone said not to let the SS couple in. Now that the OP is the one banned, suddenly it’s ok??
 
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