You don’t lose your constitutional rights over a clause like that just as you don’t when you sign a non-compete clause when you are hired.
You are not waiving your civil rights. Those are set forth in the constitution and are not impacted by that clause in a volunteer application.
If the accusation is false and you can’t go to their house, do you really believe that you will go to prison for the rest of your life? Really??
You would still have that right. I don’t know. Maybe Canada is different than the U.S., but our constitution guarantees us of that and no waiver in an application to a private entity can remove that guarantee.
), and I don’t think any volunteer should have a problem with this sort of application process either. As they say with regards to closed circuit television surveillance: “If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear.”I’m sorry, but this seems to me like a case of you putting your American identity before your Catholic identity, which is ridiculous and should never happen. Remember, the Church is your family, your mother, and to her you owe all loyalty.
Then why bother with it, in the first place? And why get so upset when someone refuses to sign it, if it has no actual effect?
Not suprisingly because it was poorly written and smacks of bitternes and cynicism. You ask how man Children can be saved. this is an impossible question to answer and only shows your emotional irrationality (Warrented or not) You also present your security clearence with the dept of defense with the Church. the idea that these are comparrable is laughable. I respect your decision you are free to make it but please understand and respect the Church. I signed it without a second thought. I work with the life teen kids. Am I uninsured by the Church here, I don’t know. But I do know that I want to volunteer, the Church has/had a HUGE problem and I can at least obey even when I don’t agree or understand, no matter what my ego, principle, pride, or cynisism tell me.
Were the writers of the ‘we seek, you no peek’ clause in the application also following Church law, or local law.
Perhaps, if you thought through the process, you would understand the objection to signing any document allowing someone to do a background check on you and create legal evidence against you that was false, and then refuse to allow you to see it.
In this case, though, you choose the three people who will be your references, and you choose the doctor - you know who these people are, you know whether you trust them or not, and you have a pretty good idea of what sort of things they are likely to say about you.
He who represents himself has a fool for a client. Any document that gives legal authority to anyone anywhere to accept libelous and slanderous statments against you and then hide the statement from you, and create a permanent file that is accessible to any litigation even remotely related is an invitiation for massive injustice; and I don’t recall anywhere in the Gopsels that Christ stood for injustice.
As another poster (Morning_Star15) noted, when she was appling to a religious order, she had to have three references and a medical reference, all of which are anonymous and she wasn’t allowed to see them. I had to do the same thing to get my professional certification in my state. My references could have said anything they wanted, true or not, and I would not have had the opportunity to review the forms. I would not have received my certification. Same situation here. The things refered to by the original poster involves the references he named in the application process. These aren’t just anyone walking in off of the street or someone in the congregation that doesn’t like his voice. It is exactly the same as my certification and Morning_Star15’s application to a religious order.Then why bother with it, in the first place? And why get so upset when someone refuses to sign it, if it has no actual effect?
No one is forced to fill out the volunteer application in the U.S… If you don’t or aren’t willing to, you won’t be allowed to volunteer, but NO ONE is made to submit the application.
Seriously missing some logic here.
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**I don’t get to choose the doctor, since he has to state on the application how long he has known me, I can only have my family doctor fill out the questionnaire - I can’t just start seeing a new doctor two weeks before handing him this application, or it would look pretty suspicious, don’t you think?
The references weren’t anonymous; she chose them herself. Unless she’s crazy, she chose people who like her, and are likely to say good things about her.
No, it isn’t. It demonstrates the absurdity of the supposed point of this “application process.”
Nice to meet you, too.
How so? The government entrusted me with military and intelligence secrets and allowed me to review what was said about me, but the Church can’t be bothered with following suit?
The Church, and my Archdiocese in particular, is not beyond criticism here.
I hope you don’t sign everything that way.
And no matter how fouled the process may be.
Thank you. My DW said exactly the same thing. It’s a matter of faulty procedures.
Give me a break! You’re making it sound like the people doing the investigation are a bunch of idiots who will be fooled by the first prankster who calls in with an outrageous claim! They’ll obviously conduct a thorough investigation and weed out the false testimonies.
Your welcome.