Forbiddence to use the term "ALLAH"?

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In our today’s paper, The Government of Malaysia finally agreed to restore the permit of the Catholic newspaper (The Herald) circulated in Malaysia, as long as the paper does not use the word “Allah” in the Malay language as the translation of “God”. Last week, the license of The Herald was suspended because The Herald continued to use the word “Allah” as the translation of the english word “God”. The paper Herald was practically issued and read by the Christian community only. The reason was the usage of “Allah” by the non-muslim will create confusion to the muslims. Does it mean that the muslim claim the word “Allah” to be used exclusively by muslims?
 
It also means that whenever the word Allah is used by the Malaysian government (eg for schooling), they very definitely mean ‘the Muslim God’ and not the God of any other Malay citizen.

I wonder if this could create legal problems for the Malaysian government regarding the use of Allah in civil law ?
 
The ruling is certainly very peculiar. Never in any situation that a word can be exclusively a personal property of anybody or any organization. Needless to say this is certainly an affront to freedom of human right. But how practical a ruling such as this? How can you stop anyone from using a particular word? Did the government provide any reason why other religions cannot use this word?

Maybe it’s a blessing in disguise for the Catholics there especially for those who do not agree that Muslims are worshipping the same God as them. They should not use the term Allah but instead use ‘God’ or “Yahweh” to denote that this is truly the God that Christians worshipped and that Muslims worship Allah and therefore the two are not the one and the same. Very funny though.
 
This poses a problem for a muslim apologists. They like to claim that Christians in muslim majority countries use the word allah as G-d, therefore allah is G-d.

It appears not.

However, many muslims are leaving Islam, and they are desperate to try and stop the flow. Not sure this will be the way though.
 
Much as I hate discriminatory rulings, I tend to support the non-use of the word “Allah” for God as a non-Muslim.

For all we know, they might not be the same. Good riddance.
 
Much as I hate discriminatory rulings, I tend to support the non-use of the word “Allah” for God as a non-Muslim.

For all we know, they might not be the same
If you are Catholic, and you follow the Catechism, then you know that “God” and “Allah” are the same.

As for the Malaysian newspaper The Herald, I am glad they can resume publication. Whether or not they will be permitted to use the word “Allah” (which apparently means God in the Malay language) will be decided by a court currently considering the matter.
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090108/lf_afp/malaysiareligioncatholicislammedia_newsmlmmd
 
If you are Catholic, and you follow the Catechism, then you know that “God” and “Allah” are the same.

As for the Malaysian newspaper The Herald, I am glad they can resume publication. Whether or not they will be permitted to use the word “Allah” (which apparently means God in the Malay language) will be decided by a court currently considering the matter.
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090108/lf_afp/malaysiareligioncatholicislammedia_newsmlmmd
Please don’t get me wrong. As Catholics, we know the equivalent meanings. But that is not the point I am driving at.

I tried to search the on-line version of CCC and I could not find the word Allah in it. The only instances the word was used were on letters and printed communications drafted in Vatican, not in the CCC itself.
The point being:
If “Allah” is a Muslim word and they want to keep it to themselves, why fight over a word that’s not ours?
 
This poses a problem for a muslim apologists. They like to claim that Christians in muslim majority countries use the word allah as G-d, therefore allah is G-d.

**The Trisagion (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us) begins “Quduson Allah” in Arabic.

It’s probably a cognate of the Hebrew word El.**
 
This is stupid. If the Malay Christians use “Allah” it is because that is the word for God in Malay. If the government wants to penalize someone for causing “confusion” with this term, then they will have to go back in time and punish the Arabs who brought Islam to the archipelago, Bahasa Melayu is not a Semitic language. It is an obvious borrowing from Arabic. Punish yourselves, Muslims. The Christians are just using the word that they have to use thanks to Muslim dominance in the society, and now the Muslims want to punish them for it? Unbelievably stupid.

Maybe they will also complain to Malta, Kenya, and other places where the major languages also contain cognates of this word. Maybe Spanish speakers like me will soon be barred from using expressions derived from Arabic like “ojala” (“O Allah”), and maybe if Muslims are successful in this they think that we will all forget how those expressions got there in the first place. No, no…that won’t happen. It seems that Muslims are fine with stripping away the indigenous religious character of any country where they become a majority, but not okay with the results of that. I say too bad. It’s a result of your legacy - YOU must deal with it. What, now you don’t like this side-effect of having been so successful? 🤷
 
This is stupid.
For once. 👍
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If “Allah” is a Muslim word and they want to keep it to themselves, why fight over a word that’s not ours?
If it does not pose difficulty for our fellow Catholics there, this seems good enough. In other word, we don’t lose much. But this is because of the above - it is stooopid. 😦
 
I don’t know about “fighting” over it, but we certainly should maintain our (Christian) right to use it. If we didn’t, what would Arab Christians use, or Maltese? (since Maltese is a Semitic language ultimately descendant from Maghrebi Arabic, they use “Alla”).

No, it should be free for everyone to use if it is a natural part of their vocabulary, and that includes the Malay Christians (I think also Bahasa Indonesia has this word, doesn’t it, Swariffin?). I personally wouldn’t go around using it because I am not an Arab, but just the same I wouldn’t have any problem using it in a correct and respectful context. I mean, I have to use it and many expressions with it in my Arabic classes, because it is used so often in Arabic by Muslims and Christians alike. If I couldn’t use it, I would miss out on a big part of the cultural component of the language. So for some Muslim government to call that Christians shouldn’t use it…that’s just dumb, to me. The Christians know that they are not talking about Islamic concept of God when they use it! But they don’t have an alternative, so why shouldn’t they use it? To spare some over-sensitive government leaders’ feeling? What would the government rather have them use? “Jesus”? That would not be appropriate if they are refering to God the Father, or to the Holy Spirit. If any Muslim leader who calls for the “Allah ban” would take five seconds to learn about the most basic doctrine of Christianity, they would know that, so they would realize how stupid this demand is.
 
This poses a problem for a muslim apologists. They like to claim that Christians in muslim majority countries use the word allah as G-d, therefore allah is G-d.

**The Trisagion (Holy God, Holy Mighty, Holy Immortal, have mercy on us) begins “Quduson Allah” in Arabic.

It’s probably a cognate of the Hebrew word El.**
Yes, in ARABIC. Maybe our Coptic brothers and sisters have a different opinion on this. Speaking with them, it is clear they are forced to use allah, but do not use it in private. After all, the saracens resolved the issue by cutting out the tongues of the Coptics to force them to speak arabic and not their native language.

It seems it doesn’t suit their purposes now that they are losing the control they once had.
 
It seems that Muslims are fine with stripping away the indigenous religious character of any country where they become a majority, but not okay with the results of that. I say too bad. It’s a result of your legacy - YOU must deal with it. What, now you don’t like this side-effect of having been so successful? 🤷
(Matthew 7:16):
By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
 
If you are Catholic, and you follow the Catechism, then you know that “God” and “Allah” are the same.
More importantly: In many languages in predominantly islamic countries, there IS no other word for “God” than Allah. Henceforth, Christian Arabs, Turks, Turkmens, Malays, etc, also say “Allah”, and I see no problem with that.
 
If you are Catholic, and you follow the Catechism, then you know that “God” and “Allah” are the same.

As for the Malaysian newspaper The Herald, I am glad they can resume publication. Whether or not they will be permitted to use the word “Allah” (which apparently means God in the Malay language) will be decided by a court currently considering the matter.
news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20090108/lf_afp/malaysiareligioncatholicislammedia_newsmlmmd
The news stated that “The Herald” can resume publication if they don’t use the term “Allah”. It implied that “The Herald” can be suspended again if they continue to use the term “Allah”.
 
No, it should be free for everyone to use if it is a natural part of their vocabulary, and that includes the Malay Christians (I think also Bahasa Indonesia has this word, doesn’t it, Swariffin?).
We in Indonesia, use the word “Allah” too. In both Malay and Indonesian (those have the same root in Bahasa Melayu), “God” means “Tuhan”. We use the term “Allah” when we talked about the Trinity. For sure, there is no problem for us (until today) the non-muslim in Indonesia, to use the term “Allah” as opposed to “Tuhan” when we refer to God.
 
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