Forced sterilization?

[marybee]

I dont believe in forced sterilization, but let me tell you that there is an epidemic of babies being born with crack and other addictive and destructive chemicals because of their parents negligent and down right evil behavior! My own relative just had his third in two years! the first died and the other two are going thru “the system”. Tell me why this is not against the law! Its a felonious crime to possess crack, but not to smoke it while pregnant! These people are usually prostituting themselves for the drugs, because they cant hold down a job. In this particular case, the parents were and still are street people! So if these people can not be criminalized or put in jail to stop them from keep getting pregnant, then what should they do? Remember these children are mutilated and will never be able to live a “normal” life. This is the worst possible kind of child abuse, why should these people be able to have children while still on drugs? Im not proposing forced sterilization, just curious what other options could include, without being imprisoned! Im sick of the children paying the price for their parents evil doings!

 

[johnnycatholic]

There is no other solution other than imprisonment. If people want to act like animals then you have to cage them.

 

[kim3260]

It is child abuse and should be treated as such. That also includes women who drink while pregnant. They should be imprisioned until the birth, (seperated from the general population) then if this person still shows signs of not wanting to change their behavior then put the child up for adoption.
Some may say this would cost more money, but think of how much money goes to neo-natal units for these poor children born to addicted mothers and their long term care. Also all Doctors/midwives should be responsible to report any patient abusing drugs and alcohol, just like if they suspect child abuse of a 3 year old.
Sterization sounds like the “easy” solution and sometimes I think anyone after seeing these poor children will deny they wish that poor baby was never concieved to such horrible parents, but forced sterization would backfire in ways we would never imagine.

One possible example:
Husband loses job and insurance, wife is pregnant, goes for public assitance, in order to get the help she need she must sign consent for a tubaligation, this may sound way out there, but not really in todays world.

 

[apricot_yogurt]

While I can understand where the OP is coming from, I think that forced sterilization is too final, and assumes that drug-atticted parents cannot change and become responsible.

 

[marybee]

While I can understand where the OP is coming from, I think that forced sterilization is too final, and assumes that drug-atticted parents cannot change and become responsible.

Ok I guess I was just making the point that these people should be prevented from reproducing, whatever means necessary! I guess it would really be impossible to force someone into surgery. I cant see why letting these women sterilize on their own would be exactly wrong either. I think doing so would be taking more resoponsibility then reproducing and abusing with crack!

 

[gardenswithkids]

Ok I guess I was just making the point that these people should be prevented from reproducing, whatever means necessary! I guess it would really be impossible to force someone into surgery. I cant see why letting these women sterilize on their own would be exactly wrong either. I think doing so would be taking more resoponsibility then reproducing and abusing with crack!

It comes down to the basic “two wrongs don’t make a right” principle. Prostitution is a terrible misuse of the gift of human sexuality. It treats the woman’s body as something that can be bought and sold. Taking crack or other such drugs during pregnancy or even when not pregnant, is an abuse of both the mother’s and the child’s body. And sterilization is yet another form of mutilation to the human body. None of these things is morally acceptable. I understand your concern that parents’ irresponsible actions harm innocent children–yes, that is the sad reality of this world that started as far back as Adam and Eve.

But your thread didn’t start out discussing the woman’s individual choice to sterilize herself–you wrote of forced sterilization. Forced sterilization is a particularly dangerous path that has already taken place in human history. Here’s a recent story about forced sterilization in China: http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/jan/07011113.html

LifeSiteNews.com
Thursday January 11, 2007

Chinese Man Beaten Over Brother’s Forced Sterilization Ruled Eligible for U.S. Asylum
By Gudrun Schultz

SAN FRANCISCO, United States, January 11, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - A U.S. federal appeals court ruled in favour of a Chinese man’s appeal for political asylum Tuesday, after he was beaten by birth control officials in his home town while protesting attempts to forcibly sterilize his brother, the San Francisco Chronicle reported yesterday.

Li Bin Lin filed for asylum in 2001 from the U.S. territory of Guam, where he had fled after officials called for his arrest for resisting birth control officers.

Li’s brother had been told by officials that he must undergo a vasectomy after his wife became pregnant for the third time. His brother fled to avoid the operation. Birth control officials came to the family home in Fujian province in March 1998 to seize and destroy household property, according to the court–when Li attempted to stop them, he was beaten and threatened with arrest…

 

[Scottgun]

Naturally the thought of great sinners reproducing can be disturbing, but I don’t think a spay-and-neuter-your-neighbor campaign is acceptable.

Scott

 

[rayne89]

I seem to recall about 15 years ago when Norplant came out and was beginning to be popular the discussion about forcing unwed mothers to be implanted with Norplant (bc that lasts 5 years) in order to recieve welfare benefits. It never came to pass (obviously) and I think Norplant is pretty much off the market.
I think drug using/alcohol absuing pregnant mothers should be charge with child abuse/endangerment and imprisoned.

 

[Scottgun]

I seem to recall about 15 years ago when Norplant came out and was beginning to be popular the discussion about forcing unwed mothers to be implanted with Norplant (bc that lasts 5 years) in order to recieve welfare benefits. It never came to pass (obviously) and I think Norplant is pretty much off the market.
I think drug using/alcohol absuing pregnant mothers should be charge with child abuse/endangerment and imprisoned.

I remember that! It seemed there was a big push for it in Baltimore when I lived there. They showed a girl with the Norplant installed. It was a buch of wierd lines on the arms. Talk about the mark of the beast! Fortunately, as you say it died for some reason (probably because girls didn’t want their arms looking like that). bleeeech!

Scott

 

[johnnycatholic]

How about the mother’s go to prison with drug rehab and the babies get put in foster care or up for adoption? I mean, if the mom gets clean and wants to raise her child when she gets out, maybe she could get a chance. If she decides being a recovering crack addict caring for a special needs baby will be too tough, the child can have a regular family.

 

[rayne89]

I remember that! It seemed there was a big push for it in Baltimore when I lived there. They showed a girl with the Norplant installed. It was a buch of wierd lines on the arms. Talk about the mark of the beast! Fortunately, as you say it died for some reason (probably because girls didn’t want their arms looking like that). bleeeech!

Scott

Actually the lines were not very noticable. I know because I had Norplant implanted when I was first married (before my re-version to the church.) I had it taken out two years later.

I would bet the removal process is what made it very unpopular. Scar tissue adheres to those little “sticks” they slip under your skin. They can’t give you a lot to numb the area to remove them because the local anesthesia causes the area to swell making removal more difficult. I have a high tolerance for pain but let me tell you it was a torturing slow and painful process. The doctor kept apologizing because he felt so bad. He kept saying I wish they’d thought of a better way to remove these things. I consider it my penance for having it put in in the first place and I have about a centimeter scar to remind me.

 

[Leeta]

Forced sterilization is a crime and a mutilation of the body, and it doesn’t always prevent pregnancy and can cause, as in a tubal ligation, scarring in the fallopian tubes which can grow back. This scarring can lead to ectopic pregnancies which are fatal to the mother and of course the baby, if the fallopian tube is not removed before rupture.
Drugs are evil and the laws should be strengthened to keep the drug dealers from operating and the borders should be sealed off to drugs also. The will is lacking. That is where you should direct your frustration. Yes, it is child abuse and the laws should be changed to protect the children thus conceived. Prostitution should be penalized. The men who frequent them should receive jail time. Mentoring should be provided for both.

One problem is that the rabid abortion lovers don’t want to discourage a woman in any way from having an abortion. To force a woman to protect her unborn child is considered by them an infringement on the woman’s right ot choose death for her own child. Many prosecuters would be too scared to try to force a woman to stop doing drugs. Talk to your local prosecuters. They enforce the laws against child abuse.

I have close relatives who are addicts and their lives are a glimpse of hell.

 

[Scottgun]

Actually the lines were not very noticable. I know because I had Norplant implanted when I was first married (before my re-version to the church.) I had it taken out two years later.

I would bet the removal process is what made it very unpopular. Scar tissue adheres to those little “sticks” they slip under your skin. They can’t give you a lot to numb the area to remove them because the local anesthesia causes the area to swell making removal more difficult. I have a high tolerance for pain but let me tell you it was a torturing slow and painful process. The doctor kept apologizing because he felt so bad. He kept saying I wish they’d thought of a better way to remove these things. I consider it my penance for having it put in in the first place and I have about a centimeter scar to remind me.

Thanks for the clarification and sharing. Maybe the program on the TV where I saw the girl added extra lighting to make it more visible because it was as obvious as a tatoo.

Scott