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billcu1
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They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
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Tantum_ergo
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What do you think it means? What about His Death made life different for people ever after?They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
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billcu1
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What I see different for people ever after is that the Apostles passed down the linage to Bishops and the Priests.What do you think it means? What about His Death made life different for people ever after?
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Avila123
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I am not a theologian but if the only people who knew that Jesus could and did forgive their sins were the ones who met him, I think Heaven would be very empty. My understanding is that His love offering on the cross, was so much more than just forgiving sins - it was for our salvation which is more than repenting and not sinning. So through his sacrifice, generations of people (all nations) heard about Jesus and his teachings, have the chance to open their hearts to God, repent, be reconciled, start a personal relationship with God, part of which hopefully should lead to trying to be disciples of Jesus.
Maybe, I am wrong but the sacrifice on the cross, seems to transcend time (one of my most awful moments was realising that when Jesus carried the sins of the world, that included mine committed nearly 2,000 years later).
That is just my thoughts on it and I probably missed more important stuff.
Maybe, I am wrong but the sacrifice on the cross, seems to transcend time (one of my most awful moments was realising that when Jesus carried the sins of the world, that included mine committed nearly 2,000 years later).
That is just my thoughts on it and I probably missed more important stuff.
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CB_Catholic
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Because of His death and Resurrection, heaven was opened to mankind and we now have access to the Father through the Son. When He died He descended to the dead and enabled the righteous ones to enter heaven, and when He rose he defeated death and allowed us to enter into eternal life with Him. There also was no longer any need for animal sacrifice because the Lamb of God is the perfect sacrifice for eternity.What do you think it means? What about His Death made life different for people ever after?
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grannymh
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Jesus died in order to restore the original friendship relationship between humanity and Divinity, which was lost by the Original Sin, John 3: 16-17They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
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billcu1
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So those he forgave the sins of when he was here and had not yet died were not the “righteous ones to enter heaven.” How could they be when it was later he said, “I go to prepare a place”. i.e. it didn’t exist before. And the one on the cross with him he told he would be with him in paradise. He entered in.Because of His death and Resurrection, heaven was opened to mankind and we now have access to the Father through the Son. When He died He descended to the dead and enabled the righteous ones to enter heaven, and when He rose he defeated death and allowed us to enter into eternal life with Him. There also was no longer any need for animal sacrifice because the Lamb of God is the perfect sacrifice for eternity.
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otjm
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He said he went to prepare a place, not to create a place.So those he forgave the sins of when he was here and had not yet died were not the “righteous ones to enter heaven.” How could they be when it was later he said, “I go to prepare a place”. i.e. it didn’t exist before. And the one on the cross with him he told he would be with him in paradise. He entered in.
The place is heaven. Heaven existed from all eternity, because heaven is where God is. we go to be with God (often referred to as the Beatific Vision).
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undead_rat
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I have never liked the idea that Jesus’ death by torture was necessary to persuade our Creator to forgive our sins. For one thing Jesus repeatedly said that He had the power to forgive sins. Therefore it would be unnecessary for Him to have to suffer the terrible pain that He did just to enable the forgiveness of mankind’s sins since He could forgive all of the sins that He wanted to at anytime.
Rather I regard His submission to arrest, abuse, and crucifixion as His ultimate lesson to mankind on how to perfectly love our Creator and our fellow man. Jesus ultimately practiced what He preached. He did not resist those who hated Him, but, instead, returned good for evil. We should always strive to live up to that example.
Rather I regard His submission to arrest, abuse, and crucifixion as His ultimate lesson to mankind on how to perfectly love our Creator and our fellow man. Jesus ultimately practiced what He preached. He did not resist those who hated Him, but, instead, returned good for evil. We should always strive to live up to that example.
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thephilosopher6
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God became man so that man may become God.They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
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MaryT777
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Well said.Because of His death and Resurrection, heaven was opened to mankind and we now have access to the Father through the Son. When He died He descended to the dead and enabled the righteous ones to enter heaven, and when He rose he defeated death and allowed us to enter into eternal life with Him. There also was no longer any need for animal sacrifice because the Lamb of God is the perfect sacrifice for eternity.
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Eric_Hyom
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Jesus showed us how to love all our neighbours as we love ourselves, and how to love and pray for our enemies. A lesson beyond our understanding.Rather I regard His submission to arrest, abuse, and crucifixion as His ultimate lesson to mankind on how to perfectly love our Creator and our fellow man. Jesus ultimately practiced what He preached. He did not resist those who hated Him, but, instead, returned good for evil. We should always strive to live up to that example.
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Vico
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Catechism of the Catholic ChurchThey say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
Jesus substitutes his obedience for our disobedience
615 "For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by one man’s obedience many will be made righteous."443 By his obedience unto death, Jesus accomplished the substitution of the suffering Servant, who “makes himself an offering for sin”, when “he bore the sin of many”, and who “shall make many to be accounted righteous”, for “he shall bear their iniquities”.444 Jesus atoned for our faults and made satisfaction for our sins to the Father.445
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grannymh
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May I respectfully suggest that one has to first study the first three sacred chapters of Genesis. And then add John 3: 16-17. Genesis 2: 15-17 gives important insight to the nature of the original friendship relationship between Adam and his Divine Creator God. However, it is necessary to understand that there cannot be two equal totally supreme gods at the same time. Therefore, Adam had to live in free submission to the one true God.I have never liked the idea that Jesus’ death by torture was necessary to persuade our Creator to forgive our sins.
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Vico
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The Lamb. Christ’s death fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy of the suffering Servant (Isaiah 53:7-8).I have never liked the idea that Jesus’ death by torture was necessary to persuade our Creator to forgive our sins. For one thing Jesus repeatedly said that He had the power to forgive sins. Therefore it would be unnecessary for Him to have to suffer the terrible pain that He did just to enable the forgiveness of mankind’s sins since He could forgive all of the sins that He wanted to at anytime.
Rather I regard His submission to arrest, abuse, and crucifixion as His ultimate lesson to mankind on how to perfectly love our Creator and our fellow man. Jesus ultimately practiced what He preached. He did not resist those who hated Him, but, instead, returned good for evil. We should always strive to live up to that example.
Both redemption and reparation through atonement and satisfaction occurred and satisfaction is the main factor of Redemption for God’s honor. Christ merited for us the supernatural gifts lost by sin. Atonement is the work of love. The Father truly sent his Word to bring us truth and his Spirit to make us holy.
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CB_Catholic
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I was talking about the righteous ones that died before Jesus came. “He descended to the dead”, as the Creed said. THOSE dead. They could not enter heaven until Jesus opened the gates for them. After his death, the righteous ones who live and die are saved and can enter heaven.So those he forgave the sins of when he was here and had not yet died were not the “righteous ones to enter heaven.” How could they be when it was later he said, “I go to prepare a place”. i.e. it didn’t exist before. And the one on the cross with him he told he would be with him in paradise. He entered in.
Have you not been taught this? This is very basic Christianity. That is very concerning if you had not been taught this, because we say the Creed almost every Sunday at Mass.
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billcu1
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You say supernatural gifts lost by sin. Do you mean the theological virtues? Including Charity?The Lamb. Christ’s death fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy of the suffering Servant (Isaiah 53:7-8).
Both redemption and reparation through atonement and satisfaction occurred and satisfaction is the main factor of Redemption for God’s honor. Christ merited for us the supernatural gifts lost by sin. Atonement is the work of love. The Father truly sent his Word to bring us truth and his Spirit to make us holy.
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Vico
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The state of supernatural grace (habitual grace). Supernatural grace includes the gifts of the Holy Spirit which areYou say supernatural gifts lost by sin. Do you mean the theological virtues? Including Charity?
- wisdom (sapientia),
- understanding (intellectus),
- knowledge (scientia),
- fortitude or courage (fortitudo),
- counsel (consilium),
- piety or love (pietas), and
- fear of the Lord (timor Domini).
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grannymh
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Please refer to the Preternatural Gifts.You say supernatural gifts lost by sin. Do you mean the theological virtues? Including Charity?
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Eric_Hyom
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I think we need proof this happens. When Jesus forgave the crippled man, he then said which is easier to do, forgive or to heal? And he healed the man’s legs; as proof that he had the power to forgive.They say Jesus died for sin. And to forgive our sin. What exactly is meant by that. Jesus was forgiving sin before his death. It wasn’t an ability he gained after resurrection. So why is his death “dying for sin” ?
When Jesus spent his time on earth, he could do nothing greater than love God and love all his neighbours. But how did Jesus love his neighbours who condemned him to death and nailed him to the cross? We know he prayed forgive them Father. This should give us hope that we too can be forgiven.
Jesus did not come just to preach the Gospel, rather Jesus did the Gospels.
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