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andrewstx
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No.
One observation from me. Is man will still be an ordained though irregular priest. Once a priest, always a priest. And he was validly ordained by a Catholic bishop in apostolic succession.
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One observation from me. Is man will still be an ordained though irregular priest. Once a priest, always a priest. And he was validly ordained by a Catholic bishop in apostolic succession.
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TheWarriorMonk
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The problem is that if a Catholic priest becomes a priest in a non-Catholic religion, believing in that religion would mean the the priest is rejecting most Catholic sacraments. Other performed would likely be invalid and illicit (baptism and marriage excepted). For example, communion in the “proper” form in that religion would be illicit and invalid, because of the belief in consubstantiation versus transubstantiation.
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andrewstx
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Episcopalians do not believe in consubstantiation. Neither do Lutherans who usually are accused of it.
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gus
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My understanding is Luther came up with that phrase
That’s what the Protestant centric public school I went to taught.
Please explain where you think it came fromm
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Peter_J
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Well, it might mean rejecting most Catholic sacraments. Saying that it would mean rejecting most Catholic sacraments doesn’t make sense, since it would depend what type of Christian he became.
Good point.
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andrewstx
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As an Orthodox Christian I think the Episcopal thinking on the Holy Eucharist must be similar to our own. Orthodox believe it is the body and blood of Christ, a Holy Mystery and leave it there. We don’t delve into Aristotle’s philosophy of substance and accidents.
I think Episcopal and Lutheran teaching must be a lot like ours.
Perhaps when Jon is up to snuff he might chime in on the Confessional Lutheran ideas.
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Peter_J
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I believe that classical* Lutheran thinking on the Eucharist is, indeed, similar to what you said.
However Anglicanism is always had a variety of thinking on the matter (for example, some would be more “Calvinist”). Or at least that’s my understanding, I’m sure GKC or someone could explain this better.
- Note that I’m only talking about classical/confession Lutherans (and Anglicans) in this post, not the liberal groups.
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GKC
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As to Anglicanism, that sounds about right. Always recognizing that generalizations about Anglicans are iffy. Some Anglicans have no problem with transub. Some do.
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andrewstx
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Where is Gus’ post? It is listed on the page of sub-forums, but when I got here it was missing?
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Dave_Noonan
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Our guest presider last Sunday was a former Catholic priest, now Lutheran pastor. I think this is probably more common than you think.
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Nicea325
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He evidently left due to some disagreement over Catholic teaching/discipline in regards to clergy. That is what I do not understand with such priest who leave. They KNEW exactly what they were getting themselves into and had plenty of time to discern the priesthood.
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Indifferently
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the Anglican teaching was summed up well by Queen Elizabeth Elizabeth I:
He was the Word that spake it,
He took the Bread and brake it,
And what that Word did make it,
I do believe and take it.
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GKC
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Often attributed to Liz, beginning in 1643. No primary source known. First sourced to John Donne, DIVINE POEMS, 2nd ed., John Donne, first seen in 1654. It is a mystery.
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rinnie
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I think all find a Priest at one time in their life that falls away from the Church for one reason or another.
But just remember to pray for them and remember this one important thing. They are Human also. And in being human fall into sin and make wrong decisions.
It does not make him a bad person. Pray for his forgiveness as I am sure he will pray for yours.
Also be thankful for the day that he gave God to you in the Eucharist and the truth of Gods word that he did teach you.
Many of us cannot live up to the promises we make. God teaches us we must forgive to be forgiven.
It should only make us think about the Priests today and be thankful for the ones who don’t fall back and live up to the promise they made. And be grateful for them for that.
Maybe this Sunday you may see your Priest in a totally different light. If you think its hard being a Parent, Mother Father, child, and you are judged for everything you do, Try being a Priest. Could you imagine.
How about the ones who were not true Priests and Judas’s who betrayed Christ in his Church, Look what they left for the good ones who didn’t betray God. The ones who are inocent are sure paying for the bad ones.
Look how they condemned our Pope.
Pray for them living in such a godless world at times, and for the strength from the Holy Spirit to make it Godlike again.
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gfrob44
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Why would the Episcopal church want him ? The discernment process is as thorough as it can be at the seminary level; so, if the priest has been as thoroughly honest and sincere in his self discovery and was ABSOLUTELY sure of his decision to become a Roman Catholic Priest, what makes him an asset to the Episcolpal church ? Or a wife ?
If these two decisions, that require such a great amount of understanding and the weighing of pros and cons, can be changed so completely, what would make anyone think that this person has any meaningful convictions or opinions that couldn’t easily be changed or be repudiated ? What makes this person an authority ? A teacher ? We chose our friends and value them for WHO and WHAT they ARE.
This person may have been an ok guy. But, to have changed these two very important aspects is difficult to fathom.
If these two decisions, that require such a great amount of understanding and the weighing of pros and cons, can be changed so completely, what would make anyone think that this person has any meaningful convictions or opinions that couldn’t easily be changed or be repudiated ? What makes this person an authority ? A teacher ? We chose our friends and value them for WHO and WHAT they ARE.
This person may have been an ok guy. But, to have changed these two very important aspects is difficult to fathom.
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