Jesus in on the right hand side of the Father and are praying for us.
Is not the prayer of Jesus enough. Jesus and the Father are ONE. And you have access to the throne of grace by the blood of Jesus.
What scripture are you relying on to pray to the Saints och any other heavenly being, except Jesus.
Thanks for your posts curt,
I think you have some genuine intentions. I share some of your views but in the sense that Marian and Saint devotions are sometimes grossly exagerated and what could be a beautiful prayer in the Rosary can be used as just vain words in a shallow hope that Mary has more compassion than Jesus.
But there is also genuine faith available through requesting and accepting the prayers of Mary and our brothers and sisters in Sainthood.
James shows us the recourse we have in the just who are in a pure standing with Jesus. To Protestant objection to intercessions of the faithfull, and even departed ones who have shown an outward faith which the Church has recognized as holy, does not recognize Jesus Himself working in His Mystical body. And some Catholics who have a devotion to the Rosary loose the ability to have open prayer from the heart, thinking they are not worthy to simply talk to God.
My brethren, if any one among you wanders from the truth and some one brings him back, 20 let him know that whoever brings back a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.
Jesus said:
Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
And also in the gospel of Mark
Mar 3:33 And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mar 3:34 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mar 3:35 For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
This is a fine point made about our familial bond we have in Jesus when doing the will of His father. Yet the faith of the Church recognizes Mary’s belief as being essential in her Motherhood. When Jesus said these comments, He was not saying Mary was not His mother, but that others can be like her, who do the will of the father and believe and keep themselves pure.
Luke 1:45
And blessed is she who believed that there would be* a fulfilment of what was spoken to her from the Lord.
Worship is RESERVED FOR GOD ONLY.
Worship the Lord thy God only, Him only shall you worship.
The devil wants us to worship him, and not God. He tried with Jesus.
Worship is bowing down on your knees.
A wrong type of worship is to kiss an image. Because worship also means kissing the hand. Read Rev. 13:15
προσκυνέω
proskuneō
pros-koo-neh’-o
From G4314 and probably a derivative of G2965 (meaning to kiss, like a dog licking his master’s hand); to fawn or crouch to, that is, (literally or figuratively) prostrate oneself in homage (do reverence to, adore): - worship.
Here, I will not argue your point, but only the word ‘worship’ has a technical range of definition. I agree, in our time and current language (and especially for the understanding of our true actions of the heart) we should use veneration for Mary and the Saints.
Mother Church is not a biblical teaching.
Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
Rev_21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
That is the only Foundation of ANY christian Church.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
Understanding Jesus’ establishing the living Church in His image can give us a better understanding of the roles we have in His body, which is the Church. Jesus Himself appointed Peter to an office which held a certain authority. Really, we all have the same vantage point in the end, because we are all judged according to what we are giving from God. For Peter and his successors, the account they will be required is very great! I would not seek this myself
But whom the Lord calls must accept.
In that day I will call my servant Eli′akim the son of Hilki′ah, 21 and I will clothe him with your robe, and will bind your girdle on him, and will commit your authority to his hand; and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 And I will place on his shoulder the key of the house of David; he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. 23 And I will fasten him like a peg in a sure place, and he will become a throne of honor to his father’s house. 24 And they will hang on him the whole weight of his father’s house, the offspring and issue, every small vessel, from the cups to all the flagons. 25 In that day, says the Lord of hosts, the peg that was fastened in a sure place will give way; and it will be cut down and fall, and the burden that was upon it will be cut off, for the Lord has spoken.
It is enough if you bow your knees Before Mary.
Then this is a biblical act of worship.
Check out the greek meaning of worship, and also the Hebrew meaning in OT.
I agree, I do not kneel down to Mary, but we can not stand before Mary and speak without acknowledging she is in the presence of God.*
