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This is one of the latter doctrines that were adopted in the Catholic church among many others. The book of Acts narrates the deeds of the Apostles. As Mary was still alive, converts never considered her as their spiritual mother. They were baptized in the name of Jesus and were filled with the Holy Spirit. They looked unto Jesus, the beginner and finisher of their faith.
You always say that, but forget that sola scriptura was not around until the 16th century reformation; does that very late date bother you? They don’t adopt anything; we believe that the HS preserves truth within Jesus’ CC. If God is guiding the process then fallible leaders cannot be wrong, for that would mean that God was ultimately wrong.

Prove to me that converts never considered Mary as their spiritual mother? Were you there…LOL…We too look unto Jesus, the beginner and finisher of our faith; we have just been doing it since Pentecost, unlike churches cropping up in the 16th, 17th…21st century. 😃
In the book of Revelation, there are names of 7 different churches.
Apostle Peter wrote to believers scattered in Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia. There were churches there.
Apostle Paul opened very many churches, and even wished to go to Spain and preach the Gospel there.
And they were all protestant churches right? LOL…All churches prior to the east - west schism were Catholic. Paul belonged to the CC. I have a quote from Ignatius that has Paul belonging to the CC.

If not then tell me which church, in the world today, did Paul belong to? We know it’s still here because it’s God’s church.
The objective is not about the number of churches as the the command of Jesus in Matt:28:19: is to go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the

Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The main Question is whether they uphold the teaching of Christ. The Bible is sufficient to make a believer know Christ and reach heaven.
he objective is not about the number of churches as the the command of Jesus in Matt:28:19: is to go and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
The main Question is whether they uphold the teaching of Christ. The Bible is sufficient to make a believer know Christ and reach heaven.
There was only one church (with the exception of the Eastern churches) for 1500 years, and they were all Catholic. That is undeniable.

The main question is whether the CC, founded by Jesus on Pentecost, upholds the teachings of Christ. You say no, so tell me which church in the world today upholds the teachings of Christ; be specific?

Show me the verse that reminds us that the Bible is sufficient to make a believer know Christ and reach heaven? It’s certainly no good and helping sola scriptura advocates resolve doctrinal disputes, which is why God gave us His church. God is the only reason that we trust that doctrinal truth is upheld in the CC.

I ask again my friend: In a world with so many churches and so many sola scriptura advocates, who can we trust, in terms of doctrinal truth, in your opinion? It’s certainly not me or you.
 
What good would it do for you to present your understanding or anyone else here to present their understanding we would be here all day. With thousands of understanding.

The point is on the day of Pentecost Christ came and gave the Apostles the gift of the Holy Spirit and promised the Holy Spirit to give them understanding to teach until the end of time.

If you want to preach and teach the truth you must be in line with the teachings of the Holy Spirit that only comes from the CC.

Either the CC has the gift of the Holy Spirit and it leads us in truth, as promised by Christ, or we have a have a Holy Spirit who causes chaos.

There is no gain to argue and fight over who is right. The Church is the pilar of all Truth, and the Holy Spirit is the teacher of it.

Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be here until t he end of age leading the Church. And we have a Father who keeps his promises.
:stretcher: LOL…Nice post…
 
Mary,as you no doubt would agree,only God can and does, enlighten ,and as we are here searching for the actual truths in respect to heavenly representations :this is only possible,I believe ,through revelation ,from no less a place ,than heaven too.I can only point to the scriptures where I believe some light is to be got.

As I have commented on this on another thread I’m sorry if I am seen by some to be repeating myself.

Galations 4:26 "But Jerusalem which is above is free ,which is the mother of us all’

As Mary the mother of Jesus was ( and is) of that number included under that motherhood which is ( in the above verse) said to be from ‘Jerusalem which is above’.
Then Mary is also is encompassed by the ‘representative’ ’ woman’ of Revelation 12 ,as are all the saints both OT and NT seen figuratively to be born of this same ’ women’.

Twelve stars - twelve tribes of the Old Testament seems to me to be compatible as does Joseph’s prophet dream in relation to his brethren bowing down before him as well the sun and moon ( his father and mother) made obeisance to their son Joseph also .(Genesis 37:5-10)

We all remember The words of Jesus to a certain person in regards being 'born a knew ',that is an heavenly ,not merely an earthly birth.This is without question absolutely necessary for one to see ( or be in) the ‘kingdom of God’.

Then although the promised seed through the line of Joseph( Jesus) is included in the spiritual women( Rev 12) who is seen travailing in child birth,‘the remnant of her seed’,must for me include all those born from above: in the NT.

If this was an actual Mary represented here,then you Mary would have to of necessity come over to my position that Joseph and Mary had other children ’ after the firstborn’.
For here it states ’ the remnant of ( the woman’s) seed.

Finally Paul in the above States ’ Jerusalem ’ a heavenly city is the ’ mother of us all"
How can a city bring forth life ?
Rev 21:2 " And I John saw the holy city ,new Jerusalem,coming down out of heaven,prepared as a bride for her husband"
You and I simply cannot agree on many things. Did God leave us with a church, guided by the HS, to resolve those disputes?
 
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Much of the posting on this thread has been blasphemy against the perpetual virginity of the Blessed Virgin Mary. We practice the 5 First Saturdays Devotion with the intention of making reparation for this heinous untruth, as well as 4 other insults against the exalted and by human terms incomparable dignity of the Mother of God.

The detractors of truth sometimes don’t know what they’re doing (cf. Lk. 23:34).
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Mary is the Mother of God.

To deny Mary is the Mother of God you would have to deny that Mary is the Mother of Jesus, and then deny Jesus is indeed God.
Jesus and God are not SYNONYMS. Our God is a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The whole of GOD was not in the womb of Mary, otherwise there would not have been God in heaven by then.
The catholic church has never replaced the name of Jesus with the word God. It is suspect why it is replaced at one place and not in the other.
Jesus said this is my body which will be given up for you. Jesus said unless you eat my body and my blood you have no life in you.
When he said this many walked away, Jesus said to Peter are you going to leave also. Peter said where would I go?
Jesus said this is a hard saying. Why did he not correct this saying, why did he say it was a hard saying if he did not mean it.
I ask again, did Jesus eat his own body and drank his own blood? Was he in the bread during the last supper? The bread and wine is symbolic. Otherwise he would have cut a piece of his flesh, and drawn his blood literally.
The apostles together with Mary used to meet and eat bread and wine in commitment to the faith in Jesus. At no one time did they worship it. If they did, Apostle Paul would have instructed the Corinthians to do so when he was responding on the question of the Lord’s table.
We as Catholics do not deny truth.
Our truth is as was taught by the Apostles.
The Truth of the RCC is this.
We do not deny Mary as the Mother of God who is Jesus Christ.
We do not deny Christ in the Eucharist.
History tells us clearly the timing of events.
In the following link, we see that calling Mary the mother of God was declared a dogma at the Council of Ephesus in 431 It was neither a biblical teaching nor a tradition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneration_of_Mary_in_Roman_Catholicism

Christ being in the Eucharist came far much later. During the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 A.D., it was officially defined and canonized as a dogma. The conclusion was not based on the bible or the Apostles teaching and that is why it was made a dogma.
justforcatholics.org/a181.htm

A Dogma defined as a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology,
A dogma is not questionable even if its not true. Its a religious/political tool of indoctrinating the people so that they accept an ideology.
 
**First of all, we need to remain on the topic of the OP.
Secondly, newbies need to familiarize themselves with forum rules.

I’m allowing a lot of freedom of expression on this thread, DO NOT make me regret it.
Carry on**
 
Oh, this is where the confusion has entered. No, Mary is not the mother of the holy Trinity or the cause of God’s eternal existence; I just assumed we were on the same page.

Just curious: What gives you the right to tell me that I am wrong, I ask with respect? Did the HS guide you to believe that Jesus was not God when he walked the earth and therefore Mary was not the mother of God?

Mary is not the mother of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Mary gave birth to God incarnate, who was both God and man; therefore Mary was, is the mother of God. If Jesus was not God when he was in Mary’s womb, and when he walked the earth, then I would agree with you; but that notion is silly.
You have asked about what gives me the right to say you are wrong. Sorry, lets demystify the issue, though you also cited of confusion coming in.
In scripture which the Christians believe, there is No one time that Jesus, or the apostles referred to Mary as the mother of God. If you know of one, let me also learn about it.

According to history of the Catholic Church, it was during the the Council of Ephesus in 431 when the the view of Mary as the mother of God was declared a dogma. By that dogma, people started believing otherwise from what was initially believed.
catholicnewsagency.com/resources/mary/general-information/the-four-marian-dogmas/
My greatest worry is, should we believe dogmas or the truth as stated in the holy scriptures. If the concept was biblical or apostolic, there would not have been a reason to make it a dogma. But because, it had no clear basis, it had to go the dogma way.
 
Jesus and God are not SYNONYMS. Our God is a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The whole of GOD was not in the womb of Mary, otherwise there would not have been God in heaven by then.
The catholic church has never replaced the name of Jesus with the word God. It is suspect why it is replaced at one place and not in the other.

I ask again, did Jesus eat his own body and drank his own blood? Was he in the bread during the last supper? The bread and wine is symbolic. Otherwise he would have cut a piece of his flesh, and drawn his blood literally.
The apostles together with Mary used to meet and eat bread and wine in commitment to the faith in Jesus. At no one time did they worship it. If they did, Apostle Paul would have instructed the Corinthians to do so when he was responding on the question of the Lord’s table.

History tells us clearly the timing of events.
In the following link, we see that calling Mary the mother of God was declared a dogma at the Council of Ephesus in 431 It was neither a biblical teaching nor a tradition.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veneration_of_Mary_in_Roman_Catholicism

Christ being in the Eucharist came far much later. During the Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 A.D., it was officially defined and canonized as a dogma. The conclusion was not based on the bible or the Apostles teaching and that is why it was made a dogma.
justforcatholics.org/a181.htm

A Dogma defined as a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true. It serves as part of the primary basis of an ideology,
A dogma is not questionable even if its not true. Its a religious/political tool of indoctrinating the people so that they accept an ideology.
If you would do a bit of further research, you will find that the ecf’s thought Mary the Mother of God hundreds of years earlier. That was just what was written down. As is well known, Jews passed much of there stories along verbally. It may have been a well known thought and not well documented. For me, it is really quite simple. Jesus was God incarnate and Mary was his mother. Therefore, she was the mother of God. She didn’t “mother” his divine nature but that nature resided in her while the human body was formed.

If you look a bit further, you will find that both Calvin and Luther thought her so too. Somehow “reformers of the reformers” think it different.

All of this brings another question to mind. If one group believes Mary the Mother of God and the other doesn’t, will that damn whichever group is wrong? What about asking the Saints to pray for us. If one group or the other is wrong, will that be a damnable offense? I certainly don’t know the answer to these questions but I lean toward thinking that God will be merciful to those that make an offense in ignorance with good intentions.
 
Cube2 - You said the Quote:
Originally Posted by Cube2
… Eunuchs of Jesus time were castrated men who could not experience the sexual emotions.

The Scripture passage reads Quote:
"Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”
Your response dictates that ALL eunuchs are those who have been made [by castration] eunuchs by others … and clearly - the passage does not support your claim …

Jesus states - clearly here that some people are born in a state that equates to being a eunuch … they are not physically made one by castration nor any other man imposed means … Jesus lists this as the first form of being a eunuch …

Jesus states that there are those who choose to live like eunuchs …and why does Jesus state that they choose to live like eunuchs? FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN … these are men who do not mutilate themselves - nor do they have others mutilate them - No - they choose to forego sexual relations in order to serve God with a single purpose - to serve God - body and soul … this is a great sacrifice … we commonly refer to them as consecrated virgins … you should read about the vows to the Lord in the book of Numbers … read some of the Essenes ‘rules’ found in the Dead Sea Scrolls … it is an ancient custom

They may be in a minority - but in truth - there are men and women within the history of the Hebrew peoples and Christianity who choose to serve God in a chaste state. They choose to live this way … Jesus speaks of them in the third example …

You only read, comprehend and spout the second case - eunuchs made so my mutilation …

I ask you - what does that say for your interpretation of scriptures?

What I see is that you - Cube2 - are allowed to cherry pick your passages - ignore those that are inconvenient and shout to the world that your interpretation is the only correct one …
Quote:
Exod:20:4: Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, …
Take this instruction to not make any craven image … you would say that verse makes statues sinful …

So - when the people became ill in the desert - what was Moses and Aaron instructed to build? What instructions were given to the people? and what was the result?

Quote or Describe for me what God instructed regarding the building of the Ark of the Covenant? Describe the Temple in Jerusalem please …
I agree on the passage on eunuchs as Jesus stated. However, the persons referred to as eunuchs were mutilated. The translation of the word eunuch to other languages uses castrated man (please confirm). The Old Testament prophets like Elijah & Elisha were not married and had consecrated their lives to God, though they were not referred to as eunuchs. According to Jesus’ passage, these were eunuchs.

You say I cherry pick my passages. I do so because I need to pick out the relevant section to us, otherwise given space I could discuss a whole theme, but I have to keep with the rules.

The serpent that Moses made was not for worship. Jesus quoted it referencing on consequences of obedience & disobedience. After the bad elements were removed from amongst the Israelites, the bronze serpent was discarded. It was to make the Israelites learn about obedience.

The ark of the covenant was a symbol of God’s presence. GOD HIMSELF INSTRUCTED on how it would be made, and how it would be carried, and by who. Inside it was, the 2 tables of the 10 commandments, some manna, and the Aaron’s rod that budded.
The Ark, as a symbol of God’s presence would be carried in front as the Israelites journeyed. But would be kept at the centre of the camp.
The Ark was not to be worshiped, any mistake in its handling was severely punished.
After the construction of the temple, it was placed in the ‘Holy of Holies’ where a priest would enter once a year…with a bell and a chain tied on his leg so that if he died, he’d be dragged out.

The difference between the Ark & other statues found in places of worship are:
  1. unlike the Ark, God does not instruct their construction.
  2. they are not a symbol of God’s presence
  3. unlike the Ark, they cannot cause any harm even if mishandled
  4. sometimes they are worshiped while the Ark was not worshiped
 
Catholics have 1. Sacred Scripture, 2. Legitimate authority of the Church (Magisterium), and 3. Tradition with a capital “T”.

We see that as a three-legged stool.

When one relies on Scripture alone, we see that as a one-legged stool. It doesn’t hold up, and Sacred Scripture doesn’t support it either.

So the disagreements go round and round and get nowhere.
 
The serpent that Moses made was not for worship. Jesus quoted it referencing on consequences of obedience & disobedience. After the bad elements were removed from amongst the Israelites, the bronze serpent was discarded. It was to make the Israelites learn about obedience.
The Bible says it was ordered by God to heal the Israelites, not just obedience.
The ark of the covenant was a symbol of God’s presence. GOD HIMSELF INSTRUCTED on how it would be made, and how it would be carried, and by who. Inside it was, the 2 tables of the 10 commandments, some manna, and the Aaron’s rod that budded.
God Himself, through Moses. Today, God Himself, through His Church.
The Ark, as a symbol of God’s presence would be carried in front as the Israelites journeyed. But would be kept at the centre of the camp.
The Ark was not to be worshiped, any mistake in its handling was severely punished.
After the construction of the temple, it was placed in the ‘Holy of Holies’ where a priest would enter once a year…with a bell and a chain tied on his leg so that if he died, he’d be dragged out.
The Ark was to be venerated (modern English) since it points to God Himself. Why else would there be such rules on handling it and who may or may not?
The difference between the Ark & other statues found in places of worship are:
  1. unlike the Ark, God does not instruct their construction.
  2. they are not a symbol of God’s presence
  3. unlike the Ark, they cannot cause any harm even if mishandled
  4. sometimes they are worshiped while the Ark was not worshiped
The Ark was due proper respect (veneration, worship [Old English]) proper to Who it represents.
 
You have asked about what gives me the right to say you are wrong. Sorry, lets demystify the issue, though you also cited of confusion coming in.
In scripture which the Christians believe, there is No one time that Jesus, or the apostles referred to Mary as the mother of God. If you know of one, let me also learn about it.

According to history of the Catholic Church, it was during the the Council of Ephesus in 431 when the the view of Mary as the mother of God was declared a dogma. By that dogma, people started believing otherwise from what was initially believed.
catholicnewsagency.com/resources/mary/general-information/the-four-marian-dogmas/
My greatest worry is, should we believe dogmas or the truth as stated in the holy scriptures. If the concept was biblical or apostolic, there would not have been a reason to make it a dogma. But because, it had no clear basis, it had to go the dogma way.
It was believed from the time of the ministry of Christ
that Mary was His Mother, the Mother of Jesus Christ
who is God.

To fail, absolutely to fail, in understanding WHO Mary is
logically results in misunderstanding God and the second
Person if the Trinity. Understanding Christ is dependent
on FIRST understanding Mary properly- Mary the “handmaiden of the Lord”
and incidentally at the moment of conception became
“the handmaiden of humanity” as well.
Once one realizes that Mary is both of those one
can recognizeMary as Mother of God.
Proper worship of God is dependent on understanding
who He is. Proper worship of Christ is dependent
on understanding that Mary IS the Mother of God.

All FULL Christian understanding begins with Mary.
She is the cause of our joy. She is the key to Christ.
 
It was believed from the time of the ministry of Christ
that Mary was His Mother, the Mother of Jesus Christ
who is God.

To fail, absolutely to fail, in understanding WHO Mary is
logically results in misunderstanding God and the second
Person if the Trinity. Understanding Christ is dependent
on FIRST understanding Mary properly- Mary the “handmaiden of the Lord”
and incidentally at the moment of conception became
“the handmaiden of humanity” as well.
Once one realizes that Mary is both of those one
can recognizeMary as Mother of God.
Proper worship of God is dependent on understanding
who He is. Proper worship of Christ is dependent
on understanding that Mary IS the Mother of God.

All FULL Christian understanding begins with Mary.
She is the cause of our joy. She is the key to Christ.
I’m another newbie. I’d like to attempt to point out one thing, if I may and hopefully this is accurate. You say that understanding Mary is the beginning of understanding God, she is the key to Christ. As an Evangelical, I do have some experience with former Catholics (which is what the OP is about) and from what I can tell, there are certain things that former Catholics tend to take with them into the Protestant churches they later attend- a high view of baptism, for example. When Protestants go the other way, they tend to take certain things with them into Catholicism- a very high view of Scripture, for example, and an emphasis on evangelism and conversionism. I notice, however, and I hope this is accurate- former Catholics do not tend to take these sorts of comments about Mary into the Protestant churches that they go to. They may (and sometimes do) defend the teaching that she is the Mother of God, especially if they are well grounded in church history. But among former Catholics, I haven’t observed anything like the comments that you put forward. I can see they’re typical of you, but from what I can tell they’re quite atypical of former Catholics. I strongly suspect they are not universal to all Catholics, it’s just a certain kind that feels really strongly that way. And while there’s nothing wrong with these feelings, I would like to clarify whether you see them as just some strong feelings you have or if this is the very teaching of the Church you belong to. I see them as your own personal feelings, which are quite nice and sweet in a way. But I’m curious to know if it’s your preference that these particular comments be perceived in this way, or if you feel that there is more dogmatic force behind it than that.
 
I’m another newbie. I’d like to attempt to point out one thing, if I may and hopefully this is accurate. You say that understanding Mary is the beginning of understanding God, she is the key to Christ. As an Evangelical, I do have some experience with former Catholics (which is what the OP is about) and from what I can tell, there are certain things that former Catholics tend to take with them into the Protestant churches they later attend- a high view of baptism, for example. When Protestants go the other way, they tend to take certain things with them into Catholicism- a very high view of Scripture, for example, and an emphasis on evangelism and conversionism. I notice, however, and I hope this is accurate- former Catholics do not tend to take these sorts of comments about Mary into the Protestant churches that they go to. They may (and sometimes do) defend the teaching that she is the Mother of God, especially if they are well grounded in church history. But among former Catholics, I haven’t observed anything like the comments that you put forward. I can see they’re typical of you, but from what I can tell they’re quite atypical of former Catholics. I strongly suspect they are not universal to all Catholics, it’s just a certain kind that feels really strongly that way. And while there’s nothing wrong with these feelings, I would like to clarify whether you see them as just some strong feelings you have or if this is the very teaching of the Church you belong to. I see them as your own personal feelings, which are quite nice and sweet in a way. But I’m curious to know if it’s your preference that these particular comments be perceived in this way, or if you feel that there is more dogmatic force behind it than that.
A more dogmatic force. Mary is the Theotokos. And she is most
aptly called the Mother of the God-Man Incarnate.
Dogma.

It has been popularly stated through the centuries
that “to be Catholic, one is devoted to Mary”. Or opposition ally
“one will not remain Catholic if not devoted to Mary”.
And history proves this to be true: “The hallmark of
a Catholic is devotion to Mary.”

As far as the whys? Understanding Mary properly avoids
the tendency to “downgrade” the Second Person of
the Trinity.

As Fr. John Hardon wrote years ago:

"This has deeply affected the Western world, which has been so deeply infected by what I may call “non-Catholic Christianity.” After all, it is one thing to believe in Jesus Christ. It is something else to believe that He is the Living God who became man as a child conceived by a human mother. Already in the earliest centuries of Christianity, faith in the real Jesus Christ meant faith also in His Mother as the mother of a human child, indeed, but also, and emphatically, the Mother of God.

This truth is essential to Catholic piety. We are only as truly devoted to Jesus Christ as we believe that He had a human mother, but she is the Mother of the Second Person of the Holy Trinity."

Those MOST likely to reject the title of Mother of God
are those who are insufficient in their understanding
of the two natures and two wills of Christ.

Secondarily are those who are concerned that Mary
conceiving the God-man somehow disproves that
Christ prexisted his Mother.

In any case/ those Catholics that lapse or turn against the
Church it is frequently found they were lacking in devotion
to the Mother so the idea they worshipped her would
be inconsistent.

Thirdly Mary is literally the Mother of the Blessed
Sacrament. When Jesus is received in Communion
we are literally receiving Jesus in ALL of forms.
We receive the Flesh of Jesus- He who took His
Flesh directly from His Mother. Quite rightly both
Jesus and Mary can say they are “flesh of my flesh”.
That view was best put forth by St. Augustine. I will see
if I can find the quote.
 
@ Bad News Barrett

“The Holy Eucharist is the Bread that comes from our Heavenly Mother. It is Bread produced by Mary from the flour of Her immaculate flesh, kneaded into dough with her virginal milk. St. Augustine wrote, ‘Jesus took His Flesh from the flesh of Mary’. We know, too, that united to the Divinity in the Eucharist there is Jesus’ Body and Blood taken from the body and blood of the Blessed Virgin. Therefore at every Holy Communion we receive, it would be quite correct, and a very beautiful thing, to TAKE NOTICE OF OUR HOLY MOTHER’S SWEET AND MYSTERIOUS PRESENCE, INSEPARABLY UNITED WITH JESUS IN THIS HOST. Jesus is always the Son She adores. He is Flesh of Her flesh and Blood of Her blood. If Adam could call Eve when she had been taken from his rib, ‘bone of my bone and flesh of my flesh’ (Gen. 2:23), cannot the holy Virgin Mary even more rightly call Jesus 'Flesh of my flesh and Blood of my blood’? Taken from the ‘intact Virgin’ as says St. Thomas Aquinas, the flesh of Jesus is the maternal flesh of Mary, the blood of Jesus is the maternal blood of Mary. Therefore it will never be possible to separate Jesus from Mary. For this reason at every Holy Mass which is celebrated, the Blessed Virgin can repeat with truth to Jesus in the Host and in the Chalice, “You are my Son today I have generated you” (Ps.2:7). And justly St. Augustine teaches us that in the Eucharist “Mary extends and perpetuates Her Divine Maternity”, while St. Albert the Great exhorts with love, ‘My Soul if you wish to experience intimacy with Mary let yourself be carried between Her arms and nourished with Her blood’ … Go with this ineffable chaste thought to the banquet of God and you will find in the Blood of the Son the nourishment of the Mother.”

Page 106-107
"Jesus Our Eucharistic Love by Father” Stephano Manelli, O.F.M. Conv., S.T.D.

Edit: You can read more of especially from Pope John Paul II
here:
acfp2000.com/Our%20Lady/Our%20Lady%20of%20the%20MSS.html
 
You have asked about what gives me the right to say you are wrong. Sorry, lets demystify the issue, though you also cited of confusion coming in.
In scripture which the Christians believe, there is No one time that Jesus, or the apostles referred to Mary as the mother of God. If you know of one, let me also learn about it.
 
Cube2;11994947]Jesus and God are not SYNONYMS. Our God is a trinity of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
The whole of GOD was not in the womb of Mary, otherwise there would not have been God in heaven by then.
The catholic church has never replaced the name of Jesus with the word God. It is suspect why it is replaced at one place and not in the other.
The Father is God; the Son is God; the HS is God. Was Jesus the second person of the Trinity i.e. God, when He walked the earth? Read the following and let me know if you still believe that the apostles did not see Jesus as God?

2 Peter 1:1 “To those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ”

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God… 1:14 - And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us,

John 20:28 - And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

1 Timothy 3:16 - And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh…

Titus 2:13 - looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ
 
You have asked about what gives me the right to say you are wrong. Sorry, lets demystify the issue, though you also cited of confusion coming in.
In scripture which the Christians believe, there is No one time that Jesus, or the apostles referred to Mary as the mother of God. If you know of one, let me also learn about it.

According to history of the Catholic Church, it was during the the Council of Ephesus in 431 when the the view of Mary as the mother of God was declared a dogma. By that dogma, people started believing otherwise from what was initially believed.
catholicnewsagency.com/resources/mary/general-information/the-four-marian-dogmas/
My greatest worry is, should we believe dogmas or the truth as stated in the holy scriptures. If the concept was biblical or apostolic, there would not have been a reason to make it a dogma. But because, it had no clear basis, it had to go the dogma way.
Your earlier view that Mary could not contain the whole
God in her womb is one more example of how not
understanding who Mary is leads to not understanding
Christ either.

To say Mary did not contain the whole God in her
womb is to suggest that Jesus is only partly God or
that somehow the Trinity is divisible.
Yes that which Mary conceived was fully God and
fully man. Her womb contained BOTH the divine
nature and the human nature, the divine will and
the human will. At once. In one God- the Second Person
of the Trinity.

Mary’s maternal role has Never been disputed until the
recent Protestant Revolution. Mary has always been the Mother of
the Eucharist who presents us her children with her
ONLY Son daily.

From EWTN:
“The Fathers of the Church handed down to us countless Eucharistic-Marian testimonies. We might recall, for example, the most ancient inscription of Abercius, Bishop of Hierapolis in Phrygia (at the end of the second century A.D.), the most ancient lapidary monument, which mentions the Eucharist distributed by Mary in the Church. It is a 22-verse epitaph dictated by the Bishop himself who, in various cities on his return trip from Rome to his native country, meets the Christian communities who offer him the Eucharist: “13. It (the faith) offered me for food a spring-water fish; 14. extremely large, pure, that had been caught by a chaste virgin; 15. every day she gave it to eat to her friends; 16. she had an excellent wine and, mixing it, gave it with the bread”.1 This “chaste virgin” who daily distributes the extremely large fish2 under the species of bread and wine, is the Virgin Mary.3”
 
I agree on the passage on eunuchs as Jesus stated. However, the persons referred to as eunuchs were mutilated. The translation of the word eunuch to other languages uses castrated man (please confirm). The Old Testament prophets like Elijah & Elisha were not married and had consecrated their lives to God, though they were not referred to as eunuchs. According to Jesus’ passage, these were eunuchs.

You say I cherry pick my passages. I do so because I need to pick out the relevant section to us, otherwise given space I could discuss a whole theme, but I have to keep with the rules.

The serpent that Moses made was not for worship. Jesus quoted it referencing on consequences of obedience & disobedience. After the bad elements were removed from amongst the Israelites, the bronze serpent was discarded. It was to make the Israelites learn about obedience.

The ark of the covenant was a symbol of God’s presence. GOD HIMSELF INSTRUCTED on how it would be made, and how it would be carried, and by who. Inside it was, the 2 tables of the 10 commandments, some manna, and the Aaron’s rod that budded.
The Ark, as a symbol of God’s presence would be carried in front as the Israelites journeyed. But would be kept at the centre of the camp.
The Ark was not to be worshiped, any mistake in its handling was severely punished.
After the construction of the temple, it was placed in the ‘Holy of Holies’ where a priest would enter once a year…with a bell and a chain tied on his leg so that if he died, he’d be dragged out.

The difference between the Ark & other statues found in places of worship are:
  1. unlike the Ark, God does not instruct their construction.
  2. they are not a symbol of God’s presence
  3. unlike the Ark, they cannot cause any harm even if mishandled
  4. sometimes they are worshiped while the Ark was not worshiped
Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant - the New and everlasting Covenant … God designed her and called her name in her mother’s womb - chose her to be the Mother of God Incarnate - the Mother of the Second Peron of the Holy Trinity … Mary - who gave her humanity to the Christ Child - God-Man … fully Human and Fully Divine … two Natures …

The Ark of the Covenant carried with in the Staff of the High Priest Aaron
Mary carried the High Priest - Jesus the Christ - our Savior!
The Ark of the Covenant carried the Stone Tablets with the Word of God inscribed upon it.
Mary carried the Word of God** Made Flesh** - The Word who was In the Beginning with God and was God
The Ark carried the Manna - Bread from Heaven that sustained the Israelites during their 40 years in the desert
Mary carried the*** “True Bread From Heaven”*** … that Bread that we must eat or we die … the Flesh and Blood that sustains all believers [read John Chapter 6] … not symbolic Bread - but the True Bread … given to us by Jesus Himself -

God is the very author of Life … and Jesus gave us the command to Eat and Drink … Paul tells us to partake with full knowledge and understanding lest we eat and drink to our death [or sickness] … a mere symbolic representation has no power to harm … that borders on superstition IMHO …

And your answer regarding the Eunuchs is lame …While many passages are much harder to understand - that passage of Jesus is very clear -
 
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