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cheese_sdc
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I understand your pain and I’m happy you’ve found peace.
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cheese_sdc
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One of the tenants of reiki is that you can never give it to another person without their consent. The reiki practitioner should approach the sick person, and ask if they can touch them and allow the energy to flow. A reiki treatment should never be given without this understanding and permission.
It is true that there are people who make the argument that “If a person REALLY understood reiki, they’d want it, therefore it is okay for me to give it without asking.” I reject this line of reasoning, for many different grounds, not the least that it contains much that is arrogant.
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allhers
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For all who left, this site would probably be helpful, to find out where
God wanted you with your particular charism. Its never to late to find out now and to return.
siena.org/AboutUs.htm
This page explains the differenc charisms (spiritual gifts.)
siena.org/spgifts.htm#fruitgiftcharism
It says this on there website:
The Catherine of Siena Institute offers workshops to help lay Catholics discern their
spiritual gifts, their call from God, and their vocations.
God wanted you with your particular charism. Its never to late to find out now and to return.
siena.org/AboutUs.htm
This page explains the differenc charisms (spiritual gifts.)
siena.org/spgifts.htm#fruitgiftcharism
It says this on there website:
The Catherine of Siena Institute offers workshops to help lay Catholics discern their
spiritual gifts, their call from God, and their vocations.
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allhers
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One has only to read your little quote at the top of your signature by Louis Lamour to understand though.
“Power corrupts not only those that wield it, but those that submit to it. ~Louis L’amour”
Often one, in a weakened, and’/or vuneralbe state, would not understand and therefore could submit and be hurt by it.
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cheese_sdc
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I knew we’d find something to agree on.
Although I think that Reiki does no harm, a person needs to make that decision with a clear mind. Or as clear as possible.
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Mickey
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Ray Comfort!
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allhers
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But thats my whole point, they are not always given that decision to make. It shows in the articles I referenced above that some hospitals have teams that use reiki on patients, without their concent. You yourself admitted to that. That is why that kind of power corrupts. It hurts both those doing it and those they are doing it to. Even if they don’t know that or believe that.I knew we’d find something to agree on.
You know also that it ought to be a clear choice that someone makes. It isn’t given as a choice to some that are sick and vunerable in some places. They are not only not able to make a decison on rejecting it, which they more than likely would if they understood it. But…they have it forced upon them. You think that if people understood it they would welcome it. I understand it and reject it and all of satans works. I do believe it is a work of evil. I have the Church to back me on that too.
The fact that it IS evil, as the Church condemns it shows, is why you made a choice to leave the Church, because you disagree with the Church on this, you don’t think its evil, and you wish to continue on in spite of what the Church says and so you left. You make a choice. Some people aren’t given a choice, as you well know.
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Mickey
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Yes.
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Ronsatron
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My own de-conversion was quite a drawn out process. Born into a catholic family I was a firm believer in all that I was taught, and growing up in Northern Ireland I appreciated that my religion was an important part of my identity. However, I grew up nextdoor to a Protestant and could not work out for a long time why that family was seen with a certain level of suspicion and at times anger and hatred by fellow Catholics. People would treat my friend very nicely until they found out he was a protestant.
That was the time when I realised that my entire belief and religion was basically a postcode (or zipcode) lottery. There were literally billions of people a few hundred miles from where I was born who believed in a different god, and even someone over the fence who was seen to believe in the ‘wrong’ religion. I found this hard to swallow.
As a grew older I also came to reject some of the teachings and statements from the catholic church. The implication that sexual pleasure was something to be ashamed of, when mother teresa stated that abortion was the biggest threat to humanity, and more recently when the pope stated that condoms aggrivates the problem of aids. There are other issues such as the stance on homosexuality and the punishment of hell that I could not reconcile with and all loving god. Sorry for the rambling, but I alos feel I have left so much more out that I have included, but hopefully you get the idea.
That was the time when I realised that my entire belief and religion was basically a postcode (or zipcode) lottery. There were literally billions of people a few hundred miles from where I was born who believed in a different god, and even someone over the fence who was seen to believe in the ‘wrong’ religion. I found this hard to swallow.
As a grew older I also came to reject some of the teachings and statements from the catholic church. The implication that sexual pleasure was something to be ashamed of, when mother teresa stated that abortion was the biggest threat to humanity, and more recently when the pope stated that condoms aggrivates the problem of aids. There are other issues such as the stance on homosexuality and the punishment of hell that I could not reconcile with and all loving god. Sorry for the rambling, but I alos feel I have left so much more out that I have included, but hopefully you get the idea.
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Janet1983
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Ray Comfort… So?Ray Comfort!
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Roman_Catholic_1
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I have never been impressed with Ray Comfort or the Way of the Master Ministry as a whole. Especially Todd Friel who I don’t think has an honest bone in his body when it comes to Catholicism.
I read Comfort’s book* Way of the Master* :yawn:
My opinion of him can be summed up by his own words:
livingwaters.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=306&Itemid=221#13
Translation: I don’t care enough about truth to alienate potential sales of my books. Mr. Comfort the Body of Christ is divided on these issues whether you want to notice it or not. Grow a back bone and make a stand even if it may hurt your wallet.
I did notice that he took down his section on Catholicism on his FAQ’s on his site about how we needed to be witnessed to because we probably haven’t been born again. I wonder why he did that
I think I will email him.God bless you
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tenderfoot
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I am a former Catholic. A friend who is Catholic sent me a link to Catholic Answers. I found this thread and thought I would reply. I was raised Catholic, attended a Catholic elementary and high school. After 4 years of college I returned to my hometown and worked with the parish youth group for 5 years. I was transferred to the Midwest and became active in my new parish. I was traveling often for my job. This allowed me to attend mass in about 20 different states and South America and Europe. After a couple of years I met my wife, we were married in the Church. I decided to take a job in the Southeast that would eliminate travel, since I was now married and hoping to start a family. When we moved into this new parish and were volunteered in numerous activities in the parish. I became a lector and my wife became an extraordinary minister of the Eucharist. We also taught Religious Ed. In order to teach Religious Ed. we were required to attend courses sponsored by the diocese 1 Saturday a month. After a year or so of taking these courses I slowly began to question things that were taught by the Church. One instructor explained transubstantiation by comparing it to the changing of water into wine at the wedding feast of Cana. This totally confused me. The people at the wedding saw wine and tasted wine not water in the appearance of water. This along with the reluctance of pastors in the parishes I had belonged to had Adoration made me wonder. A neighbor invited my wife and I to attend a worship service at their church. It was like nothing I had ever experienced. I was on fire when I left. My wife was moved also but she was not going to leave the Church with the real presence of Jesus. We stopped teaching Religious Ed. because of our growing doubts. We continued to attend mass but also attended worship services. I attended mass weekly my whole life. We read the bible, looked at Church history and prayed. In all the time we were married and all the things we had done in and for the church, we had never prayed together from the heart only said the rosary together. We had never read the bible together. We accepted Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. We were baptized and our relationship with Jesus has grown. Our relationship with each other has grown. And this combination of Jesus into our relationship has been rewarded with 3 children.
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Janet1983
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Wow… thank you for sharing this…
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olds442
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I left at the age of 42 because of verbal abuse by a number of Catholic priests. Also the arrogance of Catholic apologist on EWTN radio telling Catholics to snub non catholics. " “Give to the poor be pro life but look down your nose at the lutheran next door”
I believe ALL human life is valuable evan us non or former catholics.
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Monica4316
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it says that some sins lead to death, and others do not. Mortal sin leads to death, in other words it separates us from God. We walk away from God when we commit mortal sin.
In order for something to be a mortal sin, it needs to be; grave matter, done with knowledge, and with consent. So if you break a commandment and you know it’s wrong but you choose to do so anyway…you are choosing the sin over God, and so walking away from Him. God often brings people to repentance afterwards, and they can easily come back and be forgiven.
yes all sins are mistakes, and all sins are wrong. But venial (not mortal) sins are those that you sort of did accidently. For example, you didn’t know something is wrong so you did it. That’s not a mortal sin, cause you can’t be blamed for something like that. It can be forgiven without confession, you just say an act of contrition (that you’re sorry).
all I’m saying is that the ordinary way for sins to be forgiven is through confession. But if you couldn’t make it to confession, God will still look at your heart…if you were repentant, that will count, the rest is up to His mercy.
I’ve met wonderful nuns too!
Hi, I’m just wondering, what would you say about miracles like these?
miraclerosarymission.org/lanciano.html
God bless
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Monica4316
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well I’m not a former Catholic 
I converted to Catholicism after being a Protestant. I went to a non denominational church. I loved it there back then, but I found so much treasure in the Church. The Eucharist is the best thing I’ve found, Jesus Himself. I think that my relationship with Christ has only grown since I’ve became Catholic. And none of the Catholic teachings are unBiblical… I think there are lots of misconceptions out there about the Church. I think if someone were to really take the time to research what it really teaches, they’d see. If you’re wondering about anything, it’s best to read the Catechism for the official teaching, and then just pray, and God will show. Just wanted to say
God bless.
I converted to Catholicism after being a Protestant. I went to a non denominational church. I loved it there back then, but I found so much treasure in the Church. The Eucharist is the best thing I’ve found, Jesus Himself. I think that my relationship with Christ has only grown since I’ve became Catholic. And none of the Catholic teachings are unBiblical… I think there are lots of misconceptions out there about the Church. I think if someone were to really take the time to research what it really teaches, they’d see. If you’re wondering about anything, it’s best to read the Catechism for the official teaching, and then just pray, and God will show. Just wanted to say God bless.
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cheese_sdc
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Again, we both agree. This is wrong.
I wonder if you feel the same way about people who convert to Christianity b/c they were at a vulnerable point in their live. Is that conversion less valid?
Point of fact - I had already left the Church when the bishop’s issued the statement. I didn’t choose to leave the Church over this, I choose to not come back. Another point of fact: the Church’s teaching on reiki is only about 10% of the reason why I left the Church.
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allhers
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Well, this was your own post back further…but I can accept what you just said above about it being only one of the reasons…
As to what you were asking me about someone converting to Christianity when they are at a vunerable point in their life and if they are a valid Christian or not, I’d say yes they are.
Not real sure by your wording what you are saying though. I know Christ and Satan are sure not compatible though.
Here is a question about new age pratices, on this very site:
Q. My sister is a massage therapist who works with people whose bodies have been traumatized by car accidents or other serious injuries. In addition to massage, she says she prays over them and moves around their energy fields. Does the Church allow this kind of thing?
A. It is fine, and even meritorious, for a massage therapist to pray for her patients. But
she should be prudent if she wishes to do so in a way that is obvious to her patient, such
as praying aloud. Asking the patient’s permission would seem appropriate. The claim that a person has an inner energy that must be manipulated for healing to occur is a New Age idea that must be rejected.
catholic.com/thisrock/quickquestions/?qid=1455
(my bold)
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cheese_sdc
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Well, you made the statement “Often one, in a weakened, and’/or vuneralbe state, would not understand and therefore could submit and be hurt by it.” And I was curious about how you thought about people coming to Christianity in a “weakened and vulnerable state”. And we have established that you think it is okay for people to convert to your brand of spirituality in such a state, but not mine.
In your worldview, the above is perfectly logical.
Once you step outside of your own worldview, it may not appear so.
I grew up with an awareness of this energy. I was buffeted by sensations that I didn’t understand from places and people. It was only until the past few years, with the help of a friend and reiki training that I was able to understand and integrate these sensations without (as I had done in the past) freaking out.
So when the Church and/or a lay apologist starts talking about the evilness of energy, I just smile. I live this reality, and have lived it since I was a child.
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allhers
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…well, there is a HUGE difference in submitting to Jesus and submitting to Satan and all his works…Well, you made the statement “Often one, in a weakened, and’/or vuneralbe state, would not understand and therefore could submit and be hurt by it.” And I was curious about how you thought about people coming to Christianity in a “weakened and vulnerable state”. And we have established that you think it is okay for people to convert to your brand of spirituality in such a state, but not mine.
In your worldview, the above is perfectly logical.
Once you step outside of your own worldview, it may not appear so.
I grew up with an awareness of this energy. I was buffeted by sensations that I didn’t understand from places and people. It was only until the past few years, with the help of a friend and reiki training that I was able to understand and integrate these sensations without (as I had done in the past) freaking out.
So when the Church and/or a lay apologist starts talking about the evilness of energy, I just smile. I live this reality, and have lived it since I was a child.
Perhaps you could have been a great St. like Padre Pio, (perhaps, if you repent and return, and believe in the Gospel, you still could be), he always, since childhood, was
aware of a great many things that most of us aren’t aware of. But, he did remain in the Church, became a Stigmatist and one of our greatest Saints of all time. I will ask his intercession on your behalf. At times, he was physically assulted by Satan, but never gave in to him.
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