Former Mormon Converts?

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Hello everyone,

I was raised Mormon, but have been considering conversion to Roman Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy for the past few years now. I am hoping I can find converts to these faiths that are former Mormons since they will likely be better able to relate to the journey and struggles I have encountered. If anyone fitting this profile comes across this, please introduce yourself 🙂
Welcome to CAF. I was also raised LDS, was an atheist for most of my life, baptized Catholic 2008.
 
I’ve got a question for those of you who are former Mormons:

How do you think the Book of Mormon was compiled? What is your theory?
 
I was a cradle Mormon; I left when I was 15 or 16. I was an agnostic/pantheist/unaffiliated-sort-of-pagan for many years. I converted to Anglicanism a few years ago, and leaned towards Catholicism but was frustrated by the liturgical chaos and liberal/modernist heresy I encountered. Several months ago I discovered that the church I belonged to was confused about contraception, claiming that even abortifacient contraception was morally ok; and I couldn’t in good conscience receive Communion there anymore. I knew I had to either become Roman Catholic or Orthodox, and I was in RCIA very shortly after that. I believe that the Catholic Church has an immune system against the crazy and evil trends of the world, in a way that other churches, as far as I can see, don’t.

I probably still have Mormon baggage, but not as much as I did when I was younger. The claims about the Church supposedly apostasizing, either right after the death of the last Apostle, or in the time of Constantine (Mormons seem to flip-flop as to when it actually occurred) don’t hold up to history or scripture. Jesus said “I will be with you til the end of the age,” not “I will be with you for about 70 to 300 years and then remove the Sacraments from the Earth for almost two millenia, because I can’t figure out a way of transmitting grace that can transcend the sinfulness of individual Church leaders, but I have a backup plan that involves starting a new Church from scratch in the last days…”

One good thing about Mormonism is that I grew up reading the King James Bible; so when I learned many years later about Trinitarian, Apostolic Christianity, passages I remember reading when I was young became much clearer. So, in spite of itself, Mormonism helped me to become a Trinitarian Christian!
 
I’ve got a question for those of you who are former Mormons:

How do you think the Book of Mormon was compiled? What is your theory?
For me, it doesnt matter. It’s not divinely inspired. That is all that matters. It’s not the word of God.

Mormonism hinges on the “great apostasy” and Smith being called as a prophet to “restore” the true church.

There was no great apostasy , and he wasnt a prophet called of God. No need for a restoration.

The rest just falls like a house of cards.
 
Alex,

I just saw how you were received into the Church this month. Hello and WELCOME!!!
 
I’ve got a question for those of you who are former Mormons:

How do you think the Book of Mormon was compiled? What is your theory?
Well, historical antecdotes talk of Joseph Smith putting his head in a hat with his “seer stone” (later called the Urim and Thumin), and dicatating the book to his followers. The original Book of Mormon was written in long hand paragraphs and edited later to resemble the bible, with sentances broken down into verse and chapter. Many changes were made to the book after the original publication, which the LDS church freely admits. From small grammatical errors, to minor additions of words that completely changed the theology of the doctrine espoused. Some of the many edits that have been made throughout the years to the text can see in the below examples:

Book of Mormon, 1830 edition:
"… These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Eternal Father and the Savior … " (Book of Mormon, 1830 edition, page 32)

In the 1964 edition it reads as follows:

“… These last records … shall make known to all kindreds, tongues, and people, that the Lamb of God is the Son of the Eternal Father, and the Savior …” (Book of Mormon, 1964 edition, 1 Nephi 13:40)

This makes a HUGE difference in regards to trinitarian doctrine. LDS.org even says, flat out, that “Joseph Smith added the phrase “the Son of” in this and other verses of the 1837 edition to clarify doctrine.” There were edits made by Joseph, by early editors in the Second Edition, and edits have even been made in my lifetime, changing the phrase “white and delightsome” to “pure and delightsome.” Even headers for the Book of Mormon have been changed in recent history - one example is Mormon, Chapter 5. The heading was changed from calling Lamanites “a dark, filthy, and loathsome people” to “because of their unbelief, the Lamanites will be scattered, and the Spirit will cease to strive with them.”

The relevance of all of this comes to light when viewed with comments made about the book from multiple leaders of the LDS church. Joseph Smith declared that “the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth”. (History of the Church, 4:461). And yet this is how they do the mental gymnastics to justify the many changes in the book (again, from LDS.org, with no added emphasis):
The Concept of Correctness
Understanding the nature of the thousands of small changes in the Book of Mormon may be helpful and interesting. In reality, though, the kind of stylistic accuracy achieved by these changes has little to do with what Joseph meant when he called the Book of Mormon the “most correct of any book on earth.” (History of the Church, 4:461.) His concept of correctness had nothing to do with accepted standards of grammar, spelling, or punctuation.
Looking at one definition of the word *correct *as accepted during Joseph Smith’s day may be enlightening. Webster’s 1828 dictionary defines correct as being, “literally, set right, or made straight. Hence, right: conformable to truth, rectitude or propriety, or conformable to a just standard. … Correct manners correspond with the rules of morality and received notions of decorum … correct principles coincide with the truth.”
According to this concept, the Book of Mormon certainly meets the test of correctness, for its principles coincide with truth. And, as Joseph Smith himself explained, the ultimate test of its correctness is in the lives of those who use its principles in their lives. Indeed, he promised that we can “get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” (History of the Church, 4:461.)
So to answer your question, how do I think the Book of Mormon was compiled? I tend to agree with Mormon apologists who use the claim that because Joseph Smith was an unlearned man that he simply did not have the knowledge to compile a book such as this. I think they are absolutely right. There is no way that Joseph Smith had the forethought or education to write this book. I think he had a little supernatural help.

12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
 
Truthseeker, just google Joseph Smith 19th Century Conman. This site covers a lot of historical stuff pertaining to him, and looks at the authorship of the book of mormon. For me, and many others it doesn’t matter who wrote it, it was not God. Mormonism stands or falls with Joseph Smith and he has been shown over and over to be far from a prophet. If he is false so is the BoM. God’s final revelation to man is Our Lord Jesus Christ, he alone is our salvation, and our ONLY high priest. By the way, I am sure you are aware that “the most correct book on earth” whose precepts are supposed to bring us closer to God than any other, does not contain them. If you relied on it, all the Temple endowments, so necessary to LDS salvation, would be unknown to you, hence the D&C etc that were needed to ADD that which was not there in the first place, strange sort of restoration don’t you think?
 
I think you need to continue with Bible study regardless of flashbacks. When it happens to me I just think, that was then and this is now. Now I am free in my Lord Jesus to read sacred Scripture without twisted interpretations, and I am free to let God speak to me through his word which he upholds 👍
I started Bible Study this year, but had to stop because of this very thing. My last class was one where they were teaching about the Tower of Babylon, and to hear the teacher say “Let us go down” gave me temple flashbacks so bad I never went back.
I think I might try the class again next year, but I don’t know how much I’ll be able to tolerate of it. I have to take learning scripture literally verse by verse and chapter by chapter, because things get me confused. I’ll say, “No, that goes blah blah … wait, no, that was in the Book of Mormon.” Don’t even get me started on how much damage Alma 32 did to my tiny little brain. It’s got some great sentiments that are almost … almost … but not quite the Bible.
 
So to answer your question, how do I think the Book of Mormon was compiled? I tend to agree with Mormon apologists who use the claim that because Joseph Smith was an unlearned man that he simply did not have the knowledge to compile a book such as this. I think they are absolutely right. There is no way that Joseph Smith had the forethought or education to write this book. I think he had a little supernatural help.

12 And what I do I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do.
13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.
15 So it is not strange if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
Thanks for answering my question. I tend to lean this way, or towards the belief that there were multiple people writing the book, since studies have suggested that the BOM has different authors.
 
Thanks for answering my question. I tend to lean this way, or towards the belief that there were multiple people writing the book, since studies have suggested that the BOM has different authors.
Bottom line question is, was it divinely inspired or no? And if it is not, there is only one other way it could have been written, and that’s by not-divinely-inspired influences.
 
I started Bible Study this year, but had to stop because of this very thing. My last class was one where they were teaching about the Tower of Babylon, and to hear the teacher say “Let us go down” gave me temple flashbacks so bad I never went back.

I think I might try the class again next year, but I don’t know how much I’ll be able to tolerate of it. I have to take learning scripture literally verse by verse and chapter by chapter, because things get me confused. I’ll say, “No, that goes blah blah … wait, no, that was in the Book of Mormon.” Don’t even get me started on how much damage Alma 32 did to my tiny little brain. It’s got some great sentiments that are almost … almost … but not quite the Bible.
HD, it is common among Mormon converts to have to learn how to read/use scripture without referencing it to three more books. It takes time and patience. Bonus is, you can focus on the Bible and that makes up for all the struggle.

I do Bible study on my own, using good reference material. I am fond of the Brazos theological commentary series. They go through verse by verse. I go at my own pace.

My own experience of being floored, was the entire Apocalypse. It is a beautiful book, when not being corrupted in order to compel you to pay your ten percent.
I cannot tell you how many “good, upstanding” Mormon ladies and priesthood holders I saw as temple recommend holding men and women who didn’t have a drop of charity in their hearts. They would look down on those who would drink Starbucks, but wouldn’t lift a finger to help someone in need.
haha! I worked in a place that was 99% Mormon. A coworker and I snuck out to Starbucks. Our running joke was, “coffee today, murder tomorrow”.
I had pretty much lost my testimony by that point, but I wanted to go to the Temple to see if I could maybe find that validation and consolation that I so very much needed to stay in the church. Instead I was given the grace of seeing the Mormon Priesthood for what it really is - a power given to men with no training, no counseling, no direction, and often, no spirituality.
I hit the same realization, when I was 15 or 16 years old. I had questions, that had no answers. “It’s God’s Plan”…whatever. If that was the answer, I wanted nothing to do with God. I still can’t take people telling me “it’s God’s Plan”…as if they KNOW.
That hole became too big and painful for me to ignore, and when God graced me with the desire to truly know Him, He drew me to our Eucharistic Lord and the Catholic Church. Blessed be God for the grace of being Catholic! Blessed be God for the holy priests who bring Him to me every day! Blessed be God in His angels and in His saints who preserved God’s church until this day!
Yes! I also had a friend who commented that I was healing from abuse of my soul. Sounds harsh, but yes, I still agree that is what Mormonism does to people. Abuses their souls. Catholicism has healed that hole in my heart. I was very skeptical, no doubt, but God led me to Him.
 
Hi, another LDS-to-Catholic convert here 🙂
I was raised LDS, was pretty darn “good” at being LDS, was the beehive/mia maid/laurel president, was on the Stake Youth Council, took family names to the temple regularly, etc etc etc.
I ended up marrying a Catholic (there wasn’t a great selection of worthy LDS guys in my single’s ward, and my future husband’s spirituality hooked me), and spent the first 4 years of our marriage debating religion with him. Eventually, he took the missionary discussions and I went to RCIA in an attempt to understand each other’s religions better, and I truly fell in love with the Catholic Church. Even after I had made my decision, I had to kind of think of it as joining the Catholic Church, not leaving the LDS church. Leaving the safety net of the religion I had grown up with was extremely difficult, but SO rewarding. I believe being raised in the LDS church, where I had countless spiritual experiences, actually “primed” me for Catholicism in the sense that I knew the Holy Spirit was leading me to the Church, and I knew I couldn’t ignore it’s promptings.

You may have heard this around the forums before, but I’ll reiterate it… Although, like I said, I’d had a lot of spiritual experiences growing up in the LDS church, they were absolutely nothing compared to the experiences I’ve had in the Catholic Church; it’s like comparing a cube of tofu to a perfectly done filet mignon. I never discount the spiritual experiences that people of other faiths have, but from personal experience I can promise you that the Catholic Church will knock your socks off.

I was baptized a little over a year ago now, and I still revel EVERY DAY in the beauty (and genius, as Matthew Kelly would say) of the Catholic Church. Being LDS wasn’t horrible, but being Catholic fulfills me like Mormonism never could. I truly feel like I was a spiritual cripple made whole by becoming a part of Christ’s Church. I could go on and on, but I’ll spare you 😉
 
Hi, another LDS-to-Catholic convert here 🙂
I was raised LDS, was pretty darn “good” at being LDS, was the beehive/mia maid/laurel president, was on the Stake Youth Council, took family names to the temple regularly, etc etc etc.
I ended up marrying a Catholic (there wasn’t a great selection of worthy LDS guys in my single’s ward, and my future husband’s spirituality hooked me), and spent the first 4 years of our marriage debating religion with him. Eventually, he took the missionary discussions and I went to RCIA in an attempt to understand each other’s religions better, and I truly fell in love with the Catholic Church. Even after I had made my decision, I had to kind of think of it as joining the Catholic Church, not leaving the LDS church. Leaving the safety net of the religion I had grown up with was extremely difficult, but SO rewarding. I believe being raised in the LDS church, where I had countless spiritual experiences, actually “primed” me for Catholicism in the sense that I knew the Holy Spirit was leading me to the Church, and I knew I couldn’t ignore it’s promptings.

You may have heard this around the forums before, but I’ll reiterate it… Although, like I said, I’d had a lot of spiritual experiences growing up in the LDS church, they were absolutely nothing compared to the experiences I’ve had in the Catholic Church; it’s like comparing a cube of tofu to a perfectly done filet mignon. I never discount the spiritual experiences that people of other faiths have, but from personal experience I can promise you that the Catholic Church will knock your socks off.

I was baptized a little over a year ago now, and I still revel EVERY DAY in the beauty (and genius, as Matthew Kelly would say) of the Catholic Church. Being LDS wasn’t horrible, but being Catholic fulfills me like Mormonism never could. I truly feel like I was a spiritual cripple made whole by becoming a part of Christ’s Church. I could go on and on, but I’ll spare you 😉
I like what you have said here. I had a similar experience. I was spiritual before I knew anything about the Catholic Church. What I had was bits of spiritual truths scattered all about my life. The Catholic Church helped me connect all of the pieces, all of the dots into an image of Christ’s life. It helped light up Christmas and Easter and everything in between in ways I would have never known or understood the way I do now. This faith has made me whole, although still a sinner in transition…I have been forgiven. Two words that stand out for me is authentic and miraculous…very much real!
Here is a bit of my own journey
utahmission.com/Forgive.html
 
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