Former Mormons, How Do You Pray?

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rmcmullan said:
Well, when I first heard about it I was astonished that nobody had told me about it before. Any claim at all that Jesus had visited America seemed at least worth mentioning and I had attended Catholic schools and churches all my life and they never failed to make it a point to mention Jesus but here’s this claim he came to America and they didn’t say a word!

As for the rest of the story, it’s a typical and boring Moroni 10:3-5 thing.

And it came to pass that I, too, was swayed by the Book of Mormon. And it came to pass that, after serious study, I realized that a book written by a con man about a people who never existed in a land no one can find could not be true. And it came to pass that I did pray exceedingly about the truth. And it came to pass that God told me that a burning in the bosom was no way to find truth. And it came to pass that God told me that the Holy Spirit gives you more than a burning in the bosom and that it took that AND truth to make it so. That just burning means nothing. One can get that at any tent revival meeting. And it came to pass that God led me into truth and away from the LDS Church.

And I will pray for you, too. You sound just like I sounded when I was LDS.
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TexanKnight said:
You’re just besmirching your own reputations.

I do not feel a bit besmirched…does anyone else?
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No, I don’t feel besmirched. If anything, I feel more authenticly credible in my spiritual journey than ever
 
Marie5890 said:
No, I don’t feel besmirched. If anything, I feel more authenticly credible in my spiritual journey than ever
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Me too. And you guys here help me a lot. I am really grateful for my CAF Family
 
TexanKnight said:
Me too. And you guys here help me a lot. I am really grateful for my CAF Family
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I understand what you are saying. You guys, especially those who have the “Mormon” chapter in their spiritual journeys, help me more than I can say because you understand the challenge it can be to unwrap the distortions. Or like Rebecca has said, the “cult brain” that can pop up from time to time. It’s been a great blessing in my life to have you guys to turn to in times of need and understanding.
God Bless
 
Marie5890 said:
I understand what you are saying. You guys, especially those who have the “Mormon” chapter in their spiritual journeys, help me more than I can say because you understand the challenge it can be to unwrap the distortions. Or like Rebecca has said, the “cult brain” that can pop up from time to time. It’s been a great blessing in my life to have you guys to turn to in times of need and understanding.
God Bless
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CAF helped me become Catholic. When I first had the call to become Catholic, I studied a LOT. Did not want to be fooled again. I watched CA on EWTN and that led me here. I read a lot of studf here and it helped me
 
rmcmullan said:
As for those of you who enjoy disparaging the BoM, go ahead and have your fun but don’t expect to make any headway with me. You’re just besmirching your own reputations.
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Another noted tactic. If you can’t attack the evidence, attack the person presenting it.

I’m sorry, but this is another very stereotypical response.

In addition, you’ve talked “around” several of the questions that have been posed to you. Are you picking and choosing which ones to respond to, or are you just plain ignoring them?

BTW, that is more stereotypical posting tactic used by our mormon friends.

I will ask again, what do you mean by the “Pope embracing the book of mormon”?

What is **your **definition of embrace.

I ask for your definition, because it is common for mormons to take a commonly used word with an established definition, and co-opt it into something else. It helps if everyone is using the same language.

ETA: There have been approximately 4000 changes to “the most correct book”, just so you know.

Might I suggest you check out mormonthink.com. It is not an anti site. In fact, it is put together by active, believing mormons. They are simply pointing out the problems with mormonism, and are looking for answers.
 
Ok, you don’t accept the BoM, that’s up to you. But for me it’s the reason I no longer attend a Catholic church. I still maintain that 95% of what you believe I believe. I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic and I still think I’m doing okay as a Catholic.

Let’s go back to the original topic. From what I’ve read, a lot of you pray from the heart and some of you stick to the memorized prayers and some of you do both. But I was not taught that way and I like the Mormon way. But I like the Catholic way too. But the BoM is where I draw the line.
 
Stephen168 said:
They never mentioned it because it was not true. I’m surprised when you first heard it, you would believe it. I didn’t.
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I didn’t believe it as soon as I heard it. But it seemed like such big news, I wanted to check it out. Moroni 10:3-5.
 
rmcmullan said:
I didn’t believe it as soon as I heard it. But it seemed like such big news, I wanted to check it out.
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Which Catholic Bishop did you asked to find out if it was true? Which Christian history book did you read, printed before 1810, to find out if it was true?
 
rmcmullan said:
Ok, you don’t accept the BoM, that’s up to you. But for me it’s the reason I no longer attend a Catholic church. I still maintain that 95% of what you believe I believe. I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic and I still think I’m doing okay as a Catholic.
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I dont understand what you mean when you say that you maintain 95% of what Catholics believe. Mormonism and Catholicism are so very different, from the God head vs the Trinity. The Eucharist vs a symbol.

They are so very different, you really cant be both. I get the sense that you really dont understand the theological difference? Am I right in that?
 
Somebody is starting to sound more and more like “why me”.

He tried to claim he was Catholic and mormon.

Something is rotten in Denmark.
 
rmcmullan said:
Let’s go back to the original topic.
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So, when you can’t/won’t answer questions generated by your statements, you want to change the subject?

Another stereotype confirmed.

Why won’t you answer the simple questions posed to you?

What is your definition of “embrace”.

Your statement about the Pope embracing the book of mormon belies the fact that you truly have little if any knowledge of the Catholic Church, and how it operates.

Do you think the Pope makes all decisions based on doctrine and scripture by himself? Have you not heard of the Magesterium?

ETA: Here’s the thing McMullen. It’s called conversation, or debate. You make a statement, and we respond. We make a statement and you respond.

When things get deep, and you want to “change the subject”, it just tells us that you are not serious about discussion or debate.

I smell a troll.
 
rmcmullan said:
Ok, you don’t accept the BoM, that’s up to you.

Thank you. And for your info, I DO accept the Book of Mormon. It is right beside the Harry Potter series in the fiction section. The only difference is that Harry Potter actually takes place in a REAL place…England.

But for me it’s the reason I no longer attend a Catholic church. I still maintain that 95% of what you believe I believe. I was baptized and confirmed a Catholic and I still think I’m doing okay as a Catholic.

Ah. Which 5% do you reject?

Let’s go back to the original topic. From what I’ve read, a lot of you pray from the heart and some of you stick to the memorized prayers and some of you do both. But I was not taught that way and I like the Mormon way. But I like the Catholic way too. But the BoM is where I draw the line.

Which Mormon way? The rote prayers of Sacrament Meeting, baptisms, blessings and temple worship?
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twopekinguys said:
Somebody is starting to sound more and more like “why me”.

He tried to claim he was Catholic and mormon.

Something is rotten in Denmark.
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No, I am not both, I am Mormon. Remember what I said about the BoM? At any rate, the original topic has almost been abandoned so I guess it’s time to also abandon this thread. But thanks, RebeccaJ and the others who commented.
 
rmcmullan said:
No, I am not both, I am Mormon. Remember what I said about the BoM? At any rate, the original topic has almost been abandoned so I guess it’s time to also abandon this thread. But thanks, RebeccaJ and the others who commented.
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So I started a thread just for you. You seem to believe the Book of Mormon is THE thing. So , I hope you take the time answer my questions
 
Back to topic. I was Mormon and when I prayed in deep misery If Mormonism is true the please show me…he didn’t. I was coming out of it by then, but still wanting God to keep me there, of course he couldn’t … he cannot lie and make an untruth true. I remember those mormon prayers from the heart that very often said nothing much, perfinctuary affairs at the beginning and end of meetings. Jesus told us to go into our secret place when we pray, alone with God in secret, That’s where I go, and yes I use some beautiful preset prayers but soon the Holy Spirit prays with me, sometimes with no spoken words, and I know I am prayng in God’s will, it is truly wonderful. As is the Mass, and the Rosary for the Holy souls, and the Divine Mercy Rosary, as is The Rosary said with Our Lady, the there’s the brevary, then the daily missal readings and psalms which lead into meditative and contemplative prayer, a treasury of prayer in fact. And also the daily Our Father, Hail Mary and Glory Be whilst driving to work, my heart speaking to God’s from morning till night. My heartfelt thankyous, my prayers for family, friends, the sick, the world, and so it goes on and my sorrow when I realise I have neglected prayer through daily life. But my Lord is still there waiting. I never knew prayer as a mormon, I thank God for what my Catholic faith has taught me about prayer
 
Come home McMullen, admit it you are a closet catholic, come back to where you belong. The Lord Jesus is to be found within the pages of the Bible, if the BOM disappeared nothing in it would be missed, what relates to Christ is plagiarised, it has no historical accuracy, it does not teach mormonism. Our Lord has truly been taken to the ends of the earth by the church he founded, he has never left it and is still here looking after it.
 
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