Former Planned Parenthood Director to Convert to Catholicism

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The woman who walked away from her job as a Planned Parenthood clinic director after helping with an ultrasound-guided abortion is on the verge of entering the Catholic Church.

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Let us pray that this may be so! And let us also pray that there will be more abortionists that will follow in this woman’s footsteps.

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Nevermore
 
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The woman who walked away from her job as a Planned Parenthood clinic director after helping with an ultrasound-guided abortion is on the verge of entering the Catholic Church.

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This woman is about to become Catholic, but I thought if one has had an abortion, they’d be excommunicated…am I wrong?
 
Faith1960 said:
This woman is about to become Catholic, but I thought if one has had an abortion, they’d be excommunicated…am I wrong?
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Let me attempt to clear up your puzzlement - and if I miss any point, someone else correct me, since I’m not a Canon lawyer.
  • Any Catholic who has an abortion is excommunicated
  • Any Catholic who assists someone to have an abortion is also excommunicated
  • Abby had her two abortions before she ever realized it was wrong, and long before she decided she wants to become Catholic
  • The priest who helps her in becoming Catholic will hear her confession and will either be able to give her absolution right then or he will have to get permission from his Bishop - either way, whatever needs to happen for absolution to be given will happen
  • Since she has repented - even if she had already been Catholic when she had the abortions, she is on her way to having any excommunication lifted if there would normally be one - it’s just a matter of going through the process.
  • Also, her moral culpability may have been lessened due to ignorance and so on, so she may simply be able to make a regular Confession and receive absolution.
So . . . a miracle of conversion is taking place - cause for much rejoicing! :extrahappy:
 
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‘“Beam me up, Scotty,”’ he said lightheartedly to the nurse. He was telling her to turn on the suction – in an abortion the suction isn’t turned on until the doctor feels he has the cannula in exactly the right place.
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Lord have mercy.
 
3DOCTORS said:
Let me attempt to clear up your puzzlement - and if I miss any point, someone else correct me, since I’m not a Canon lawyer.
  • Any Catholic who has an abortion is excommunicated
  • Any Catholic who assists someone to have an abortion is also excommunicated
  • Abby had her two abortions before she ever realized it was wrong, and long before she decided she wants to become Catholic
  • The priest who helps her in becoming Catholic will hear her confession and will either be able to give her absolution right then or he will have to get permission from his Bishop - either way, whatever needs to happen for absolution to be given will happen
  • Since she has repented - even if she had already been Catholic when she had the abortions, she is on her way to having any excommunication lifted if there would normally be one - it’s just a matter of going through the process.
  • Also, her moral culpability may have been lessened due to ignorance and so on, so she may simply be able to make a regular Confession and receive absolution.
So . . . a miracle of conversion is taking place - cause for much rejoicing! :extrahappy:
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I’m still somewhat confused – are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
 
Faith1960 said:
are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated,
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Yes, generally speaking. There are some situations in which the woman would not incur automatic excommunication.
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BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
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Of course. What about this is confusing to you?
 
Faith1960 said:
This woman is about to become Catholic, but I thought if one has had an abortion, they’d be excommunicated…am I wrong?
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You have to first be a Catholic before you could incur a canonical penalty such as excommunication.
 
Faith1960 said:
I’m still somewhat confused – are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
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Of course. Why do you think otherwise?
 
Faith1960 said:
I’m still somewhat confused – are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
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Let’s think of abortion first as a sin. It will be less confusing that way.

I would not even bring in the subject of excommunication to this topic.

The Lord, and the angels and the saints in heaven rejoice today because the director has changed her way to Catholicism. We too join them in this celebration.
 
Faith1960 said:
I’m still somewhat confused – are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
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Yes. Absolutely. It is called forgiveness.

I think you are confusing absolution with temporal punishment in the case of a Catholic.

Regardless, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents she can be absolved from her sin.

I think that sometimes we forget. God can and will forgive any sin.
 
The conversion to the pro-life side is always a much more profound than the soft suppressing of reason and emotion that usually leads one to the pro-abortion side
 
Miriam1947 said:
Yes. Absolutely. It is called forgiveness.

I think you are confusing absolution with temporal punishment in the case of a Catholic.

Regardless, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents she can be absolved from her sin.

I think that sometimes we forget. God can and will forgive any sin.
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Okay, I thought that with the sin of abortion, their excommunication would be permanent regardless of the sacrament of confession.
 
Faith1960 said:
I’m still somewhat confused – are you saying that if a Catholic woman has an abortion, she’s automatically excommunicated, BUT if she realizes what she did was a sin and later repents, she can confess and possibly be absolved from her sin, free to return to the Church?
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Without a doubt. In fact its not a matter of “possibly absolved”, it is a certainty.
 
First of all, I just finished reading her book. It is an amazing story, and I would highly recommend it.

Next, as to excommunication: As I understand it, excommunication is intended for the correction of the person, that is, the hope is that they will change their ways and return to the Church. It is not intended as a permanent punishment, but rather that the person corrects his or her ways. By the way, a person who is excommunicated can even attend Mass, but they of course, cannot recieve the Eucharist.

And, as was said above, excommunication does not come into play here since she was not a Catholic.
 
Faith1960 said:
Okay, I thought that with the sin of abortion, their excommunication would be permanent regardless of the sacrament of confession.
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Excommunication is not meant to be permanent. Excommunication does not kick someone out of the Church (common misconception).

The purpose of excommunication is to convey the serious nature of what the person has done and to call them to repent and be reconciled with the Church.

The only time excommunication is permanent is when the person dies without seeking reconciliation.
 
Faith1960 said:
Okay, I thought that with the sin of abortion, their excommunication would be permanent regardless of the sacrament of confession.
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So a person like this through ignorance and being taught a false morality finally sees the error of those teachings, now seeks to remove themselves from that error, and now wants to repent of those errors and seek to walk in the light and truth of the Lord. We and the Catholic Church would want to deny them this reconciliation? Not me, I am not going to be the one judging them, I am going to be the one celebrating a lost brother or sister returning to the Lord. Praise be to God another life is not going to end at their hands. If this person seeks reconciliation and is granted absolution and penance, then the matter is closed, they are forgiven. I can only imagine the things they may have seen and now must live with those images for the rest of their lives, especially now that they know the truths of their errors.
 
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