Former SSPX Community Granted Formal Status in Catholic Church

[Catholic_Press]

A traditionalist religious order that used to be part of the breakaway Society of St. Pius X has received formal recognition as a diocesan institute within the Catholic Church.http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/headlinebistro_complete/~4/2KiWuEfJtoY

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[MarcoPolo]

I think this is an excellent sign in this age of modernist propaganda within the Church, like LCWR. Pope Benedict XVI, as far as I can tell, is to be praised for these unions.

 

[oldcatholicguy]

I think this is an excellent sign in this age of modernist propaganda within the Church, like LCWR. Pope Benedict XVI, as far as I can tell, is to be praised for these unions.

Thank you for ruining what should have been a positive thread.

 

[TrueLight]

This bot is really behind.

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

Split the SSPX into a bunch of tiny groups until they’re so small they’re forgotten! Seems to be the plan.

 

[pnewton]

This bot is really behind.

August 24th, 2012?

 

[TrueLight]

August 24th, 2012?

Old Time Catholic announced it on August 16th.

Plus we have had a couple of threads on it already.

 

[MarMax]

Split the SSPX into a bunch of tiny groups until they’re so small they’re forgotten! Seems to be the plan.

The SSPX splits itself by default. The writing is on the wall and even if Bp. Fellay were to reconcile the Society to Rome tomorrow, they’d split. And those groups would split. Then those splits would split. It’s the hallmark of a decidedly Protestant mindset which is developing within their ranks. It will start over seemingly large issues and pretty soon SSPX chapels will be splitting over the size of the coat closet and who gets to do the flower arrangements on the Altar.

It’s why I find no use for them but a case study in how not to be Traddy Catholic.

 

[The_Curt_Jester]

Meanwhile we have droves of people who are “in full communion” who have a decidedly protestant mindset and nobody cares about them. Eh…

 

[Traditionalism]

The SSPX splits itself by default. The writing is on the wall and even if Bp. Fellay were to reconcile the Society to Rome tomorrow, they’d split. And those groups would split. Then those splits would split. It’s the hallmark of a decidedly Protestant mindset which is developing within their ranks. It will start over seemingly large issues and pretty soon SSPX chapels will be splitting over the size of the coat closet and who gets to do the flower arrangements on the Altar.

It’s why I find no use for them but a case study in how not to be Traddy Catholic.

We are united as Traditional Catholics, we’d never split for such reasons. We may have disagreements, but we’d still stay as one. Your anti-Traditional position worries me.

 

[Fiasco]

We are united as Traditional Catholics, we’d never split for such reasons. We may have disagreements, but we’d still stay as one. Your anti-Traditional position worries me.

Ask Fr John Rizzo FSSP, one-time SSPX, about problems within the SSPX!

Bishop Williamson isn`t a Rock of unity…

 

[Traditionalism]

Ask Fr John Rizzo FSSP, one-time SSPX, about problems within the SSPX!

Bishop Williamson isn`t a Rock of unity…

We still unite as Traditional Catholics, and there is no way we’d break over such things as he’s saying. Most breaks happen over legitimate reasons. I’d say Bishop Williamson unites most people, even at my FSSP parish most people respect him greatly.

 

[MarMax]

We are united as Traditional Catholics, we’d never split for such reasons. We may have disagreements, but we’d still stay as one. Your anti-Traditional position worries me.

I’m not anti-Traditional, I’m anti-people who snub their nose at Rome while wearing tin-foil mitres. Williamson is a pariah and a sore on traditionalism and common sense. He’s lost his mind. He leads people down conspiratorial roads. He encourages division.

The Novus Ordo could die in a fire tomorrow and I’d never notice. I’m TLM only. SSPX has no place in my life but an awesome view of how to fail at being Traddy Catholic. Mark my words, they’ll split and split and split.

 

[clem456]

We are united as Traditional Catholics, we’d never split for such reasons. We may have disagreements, but we’d still stay as one. Your anti-Traditional position worries me.

It is nothing but split already.
Descent into absurdity…

 

[TrueLight]

Instead of looking at this in a negative light, can we look at it in a positive light?

The Sons of the Most Holy Redeemer were affiliated with the SSPX, but after Summorum Pontificum petitioned the Holy See for reconciliation and was accepted. It has just taken a while for them to get official recognition.

I choose to see this move as a sign of things to come. May all the SSPX-affiliated congregations come back along with the SSPX mother ship.

 

[ringil]

We are united as Traditional Catholics, we’d never split for such reasons. We may have disagreements, but we’d still stay as one. Your anti-Traditional position worries me.

Christ and through him the Pope unites- not “tradition”.

 

[ringil]

, even at my FSSP parish most people respect him greatly.

That’s unfortunate.

 

[Traditionalism]

It is nothing but split already.
Descent into absurdity…

The SSPX is a fairly large and fairly gathered group, not really split.

Christ and through him the Pope unites- not “tradition”.

The Church is built on tradition, the Pope should work with tradition. The Church cannot change.

That’s unfortunate.

More anti-tradition. Next you’re probably going to tell us that altar dogs are good, along with dancing, guitars, communion in the hand, etc…

 

[Andre1000]

They actually have never been part of the SSPX so they did not split.

 

[MarMax]

+Williamson is divisive… here is a video proclaiming that +Fellay should be removed:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=zK7XAw0yQIU

I’m TLM only. I ONLY go to the FSSP since I cannot in good conscience go to the SSPX. +Williamson is like an illicitly consecrated Alex Jones: full of conspiracy and weirdness.

Oh, and he should probably not be a favorite of anyone in the FSSP since he is clearly insane and says they aren’t being good Catholics. That probably extends to SSPXers who also follow Bishop Fellay, since the video indicates +Fellay isn’t a “good guy” and must, by default, be a bad guy. Splitsville.:

July 29 Eleison article:

May Catholics who wish to keep the Faith attend a Tridentine Mass celebrated by a priest who is part of the Conciliar Church, for instance by his belonging to the Institute of Christ the King or to the Fraternity of St Peter? The answer has to be that, as a rule, a Catholic may not attend such a Mass, even if it is a Tridentine Mass, and even if it is worthily celebrated. What can be the justification for such a seemingly strict rule?

The basic reason is that the Catholic Faith is more important than the Mass. For if through no fault of my own even for a long time I cannot attend Mass but I keep the Faith, then I can still save my soul, whereas if I lose the Faith but for whatever reason go on attending Mass, I cannot save my soul (“Without faith it is impossible to please God” - Heb. XI, 6). Thus I attend Mass in order to live my Faith, and, belief going with worship, I attend the true Mass in order to keep the true Faith. I do not keep the Faith in order to attend Mass.

It follows that if the celebration of a Tridentine Mass is surrounded by circumstances that threaten to undermine my faith, then depending on the gravity of the threat, I may not attend such a Mass. That is why Masses celebrated by schismatic Orthodox priests may be valid, but the Church in her right mind used to forbid Catholics to attend on pain of grave sin, because, belief and worship going together, the non-Catholic worship threatened the Catholics’ faith. Now Orthodoxy has in the course of centuries caused huge harm to the Catholic Church, but can anything compare with the devastation wrought upon that Church within mere tens of years by Conciliarism? If then Catholics were forbidden to attend Mass in Orthodox circumstances, would not the same Church in her right mind forbid to attend a Tridentine Mass celebrated in Conciliar circumstances?

Then what is meant by Conciliar circumstances ? The answer must be, any circumstances which, over a shorter or longer period of time, are going to make me think that the Second Vatican Council was not an utter disaster for the Church. Such a circumstance might be a charming and believing priest who has no problem with celebrating either the new or the old Mass, and who preaches and acts as though the Council presents no serious problem. Conciliarism is so dangerous because it can so be made to seem Catholic that I can lose the Faith without - or almost without - realizing it.

Of course common sense will take into account a variety of special circumstances. For instance a good priest trapped for now within the Conciliar church may need encouragement to start on his way out of it by my attending his first celebrations of the true Mass. But the general rule must remain that I can have nothing to do with even the true Mass being celebrated in a Conciliar context. For confirmation, notice how Rome began by allowing the Institute of the Good Shepherd to celebrate exclusively the true Mass, because Rome knew that once the Institute had swallowed the official hook, eventually Rome could be sure of pulling the Institute into their Conciliar net. Sure enough. It took only five years.

That is the danger of any practical agreement without a doctrinal agreement between Rome and the Society of St Pius X. So long as Rome believes in its Conciliar doctrine, it is bound to use any such agreement to pull the SSPX in the direction of the Council, and the context of every SSPX Mass would become Conciliar, if not rapidly, at least in the long run. Forewarned is forearmed.

Kyrie eleison.