Forming a congregation

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Hi there, I have been thinking about forming a religious group for nuns. I foresee some challenges though. If somone out there with a similar Idea kindly let share maybe we chan join efforts or I may be part of ur group

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I’m knee-deep in the middle of formation of a new charism myself. Our Cloisterite Hermits are in their postulant year.

I also run a yahoo group for founders:

groups.yahoo.com/group/founders_and_friends/

You can also contact me off-forum at foundress2003@yahoo.com

Will it be active or cloistered? If active, the group will begin as a lay association of the faithful. If cloistered, possibly the eremitical route.

Blessings,
Cloisters
 
There was quite a good thread going on this subject awhile back.

Check it out - forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=116416

There is alot of good info there…🙂
There is good information on that thread. I am going to point out to some things that have either changed or are no longer universal law.
  1. The local bishop has the authority to declare a group a public association. They do not have to start offf as a private association. That’s the bishop’s call.
  2. Private associations do not necessarilly go on to become diocesan congregations or religious institutes of Diocesan Right. For his personal reasons, the bishop may decided to keep a group at the status of public diocesan association. This precedent was established in Burmingham. The local bishop approved the Franciscan Missionaries of the Eternal Word as a public clerical association. They are not a congregation nor are they an order. However, this does not change the fact that they are canonically religious men. As long as they make profession of vows to a rule and a founder and in public, with the approval of the bishop and the Vatican, they are religious. They’re just not a congregation or religious order. They can remain in this status, attached to the local bishop indefinitely.
  3. As to the habit, that is up to the local bishop and the rule. If a new association is adopting one of the rules with a papal bull, then the bishop must honor the rule. If the rule says that the members have a habit, that has to be honored. The the group is writing it’s own rule or using one of the rules that does not have a papal bull, the bishop has the authority to overrrule. There are only some rules with a papal bull. This means that they have the binding force of an encyclical on the entire Church. All of us, whether we belong to these orders or not must accept that these rules are in place and have power. These rules are, the Rule of: St. Benedict, St Basil, St. Augustine, St. Albert, and St. Francis. None of the rules written after the Rule of St. Francis were given a papal bull. I rule of the new community does not have a papal bull, the bishop does not have to approve a habit. The bishop also has the authority to aprove a habit, if he wishes to do so.
  4. Today, you rarely work directly with the bishop. Normally, he appoints someone in the diocese who has experience in the spiritual life and something about canon law.
  5. Communities that respond to a need in the Church are more likely to receive quick support. If you are doing something that someone is doing, you are likely to be put on the back burner. The communities that seem to be getting quick approval are the mendicant communities. There is a need for mendicants (male and females). Communities of evangelists are the least supported. We have many old and well establishe of communities founded for evangelization. The Church would rather see these communities be reformed rather than replaced.
  6. Finally, some bishops do have education requirements. In some dioceses it’s a college degree or its equivalent in work experience. Basically, they are looking for a mature person who has been involved outside of his home. Some are requiring higher degrees and others decide depending on the ministry of the community.
I hope this helps.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
What does it mean, to be “attached to the local Bishop”? Does each individual have an obligation of obedience to that Bishop?

What are the issues around “obedience” in loosely-formed orders where people do not live under one roof with an abbot or mother superior?

Can orders or congregations form within parishes?
 
What does it mean, to be “attached to the local Bishop”? Does each individual have an obligation of obedience to that Bishop?

What are the issues around “obedience” in loosely-formed orders where people do not live under one roof with an abbot or mother superior?

Can orders or congregations form within parishes?
All orders and congregations, even secular orders, must be canonically erected in a diocese at some point. If they are not, then they have no juridical personality in the Church.

For example, the large orders such as Jesuits, Franciscans, Dominicans, etc, all must be erected in the diocese with the permission of the local bishop. If they are performing ministries that are proper to the diocese, they owe the bishop obedience in everything that pertains to those ministries. They do not owe obedience to the bishop in internal matters or minstries that they own and run such a their schools, colleges, hospitals and other institutions. For these, they siimply need his permission to open such an institution. Once it’s up and running the bishop is not part of the picture, since the diocese does not own it. Only in those cases where the diocese owns the isntitution does the bishop have authority over its adminsitration.

There are not such things as loosely formed order. For example, we have the secular orders, the oldest being the Secular Franciscans. These orders are not loosely formed. They do not live in a religious house. However, they have a superior general, just like any other order. They have a rule and constitution that they vow to follow. They also have a government that is elected according to the guidelines of canon law. They must answer to the Holy Father. This is usually done through the Sacred Congregation for Instittutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life. They may not own property in common. This means that whatever money or property they have becomes the property of the Church if the order ceases to exist. It cannot be distributed among the former members. Their rule and constitutions must be approved by the Holy Father. They must comply with all canon laws that apply to public associations of the faithful.

These orders, even thoug the members live in their own home, must obey the local bishop is all matters that go beyond the internal rules of the order. Their promise of obedience includes obedience to the local bishop where they live. They are also bound to support the bishop and his ministries in his diocese. The bishop reservest he right to ask that they leave his diocese. The only thing that the bishop cannot do is to disband them. To do so he must get permission from the Holy See. They enjoy the same rights as any other order.

If you’re talking about an association that requires no public profession, such as the Legion of Mary, Knights of Columbus, Holy Name Society and so forth, the faithful have the right to form associations among themselves. These are private. But they may not call themselves Catholic. To use the name Catholic an association must be granted that permission from the local bishop. Once it is called a Catholic association, then it becomes a public association. and it is governed by its statutes, as are EWTN, CAF, Knights of Columbus, Legion of Mary, etc. These are public associations, but they are not congregations or orders, because they may no public profession to live according to the Gospel counsels or to live according to a particular way of live prescribed by a founder and approved by the Church.

I’m not sure if this answers your question. But the key point is that whether an association is private or public, if the members are truly Catholic, then they are bound to obey the local bishop, because the local bishop is the Church. If you don’t have a bishop, you do not have a Church. This does not include the auxiliary bishops. Auxiliary bishops do not have Ordinary powers. In other words, they do not have the authority of a bishop. They are true bishops, but they only have the authority that the bishop of the diocese delegates to them. Without him, they cannot exercise their episcopal powers, whereas the bishop of a diocese needs no ones permission to exercise his episcopal powers, except those that are written in canon law or stipulated by the pope. As you can see, communion with the local bishop is a big deal if we are to be truly Catholic.

Fraternally,

Br. JR, OSF 🙂
 
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