Fornication or Contraception . . . Which is Worse?

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Fornication (meaning specifically, pre-marital sex involving two unmarried hetersexual persons) or Contraception?

Which, in your mind, is the greater sin – and why?
 
Fornication.

Because if you’re married and using contraception, at least you’ve given your life to somebody.
 
They’ll both send you to hell if you die unrepenent, so can we really matter which is worse? (likewise they both cause another person to sin too).
 
I see what you are trying to get at with the question, but I think that the majority of the answers that you are going to get is that sin is sin, not matter how big or how small.

All sin is an offense against God.
 
I don’t think there needs to be degrees of mortal sin. Clearly, venial are mortal sins are two different things though.

Ranking the morality involved is kind of like saying what makes you more dead, a car crash or a bullet to the head. dead is dead.

Since any mortal sin CAN send a person to hell, it doesn’t really matter what the sin was. Once you hit the threshold, you are in that arena. This is not to presuppose or judge the obvious infinite mercy of God, which is something none of us really know until we die.
 
David Zampino:
Fornication (meaning specifically, pre-marital sex involving two unmarried hetersexual persons) or Contraception?

Which, in your mind, is the greater sin – and why?
The are both equal offenses against chastity and marriage. They do not differ morally.
 
David Zampino:
Fornication (meaning specifically, pre-marital sex involving two unmarried hetersexual persons) or Contraception?

Which, in your mind, is the greater sin – and why?
None, they are both sin no matter which way you look at it
 
Mirror Mirror:
I see what you are trying to get at with the question, but I think that the majority of the answers that you are going to get is that sin is sin, not matter how big or how small.

All sin is an offense against God.
You appear to be right! 🙂

Yes, I agree that sin is sin;

Yes, I recognize the difference between Mortal and Venial sins;

No, I am not condoning either behavior!!! 🙂

My notion?

Fornication is the abuse of a good thing – our sexuality is a gift from God. Sex is not an intrinsic evil. On the other hand, contraception IS intrinsically wrong.

Again, then, I ask? Is it more “wrong” to misuse a good thing in a sinful way or to act in a way which is inherently sinful?
 
David Zampino:
You appear to be right! 🙂
Fornication is the abuse of a good thing – our sexuality is a gift from God. Sex is not an intrinsic evil. On the other hand, contraception IS intrinsically wrong.

Again, then, I ask? Is it more “wrong” to misuse a good thing in a sinful way or to act in a way which is inherently sinful?
David, you have a flaw in your logic here.

Yes, sexuality is good, a gift created by God, ordered to the unity of spouses and procreation of children.

Fornication is an intrinsically disordered **act ** that violates the unitive aspect of marriage.

Contraception is an intrinsically disordered act that violates the procreative aspect of marriage.

Both contraception and fornication are ACTS against the proper use of the sexual gift God has given. Both are intrinsically disordered acts.
 
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1ke:
David, you have a flaw in your logic here.

Yes, sexuality is good, a gift created by God, ordered to the unity of spouses and procreation of children.

Fornication is an intrinsically disordered **act ** that violates the unitive aspect of marriage.

Contraception is an intrinsically disordered act that violates the procreative aspect of marriage.

Both contraception and fornication are ACTS against the proper use of the sexual gift God has given. Both are intrinsically disordered acts.
I appreciate that you have addressed the point that I posed! Thank you!!

However, I don’t agree that my logic is flawed. I am not (in the least) defending fornication.

What I “AM” trying to do is to differentiate between an act (contraception) which is, by Church teaching, ALWAYS evil and an act (fornication) which IS EVIL AND WRONG – BUT, rather than being intrinsicially evil in its origin, is evil only in its misuse.

While fornication is intrinscially evil, the sex act is not. Whereas the contraceptive act is ALWAYS intrinsically evil.

Please don’t misunderstand . . .I’m not trying to justify sin. I am trying to point out what to my mind represent grave concerns regarding how we address the issue of chastity.

Thanks for your (name removed by moderator)ut . . .
 
I suppose the worst is the third option… the fornicator who uses contraception.
 
First, I’m assuming that the “knowledge” and “deliberate consent” are both equal in both cases as it also not only what you do but the extent taht you knew it was a sin and that you did it with full consent for it to be a mortal sin.

Second, this exercise kinda reminds me the story of the interrogator in war who said, “If you give me your secrets, we’ll let you pick how we kill you.” Not much of choice.

Finally, I hate when we try to put us in the place of God. Too many threads seem so judgmental of people. It is our call to “love the sinner but hate the sin.”

From teh Catechism: Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
 
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Orionthehunter:
First, I’m assuming that the “knowledge” and “deliberate consent” are both equal in both cases as it also not only what you do but the extent taht you knew it was a sin and that you did it with full consent for it to be a mortal sin.

Second, this exercise kinda reminds me the story of the interrogator in war who said, “If you give me your secrets, we’ll let you pick how we kill you.” Not much of choice.

Finally, I hate when we try to put us in the place of God. Too many threads seem so judgmental of people. It is our call to “love the sinner but hate the sin.”

From teh Catechism: Mortal sin is a radical possibility of human freedom, as is love itself. It results in the loss of charity and the privation of sanctifying grace, that is, of the state of grace. If it is not redeemed by repentance and God’s forgiveness, it causes exclusion from Christ’s kingdom and the eternal death of hell, for our freedom has the power to make choices for ever, with no turning back. However, although we can judge that an act is in itself a grave offense, we must entrust judgment of persons to the justice and mercy of God.
Addendum to the previous post. I forgot to add the following: Since we know nothing about what is in someone’s heart, their knowledge, and the degree fo the deliberate consent, we never know if another has committed a mortal sin, venial sin, etc. as only God knows. All we know is that it is a grave offense.
 
David Zampino:
I appreciate that you have addressed the point that I posed! Thank you!!

However, I don’t agree that my logic is flawed. I am not (in the least) defending fornication.

What I “AM” trying to do is to differentiate between an act (contraception) which is, by Church teaching, ALWAYS evil and an act (fornication) which IS EVIL AND WRONG – BUT, rather than being intrinsicially evil in its origin, is evil only in its misuse.

While fornication is intrinscially evil, the sex act is not. Whereas the contraceptive act is ALWAYS intrinsically evil.

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Nooooo, you are missing the point, and yes your logic is flawed.

In both cases the object that is being disordered is the sex act. It is only the way in which it is being disordered is different.

Your illustration, properly framed should state:

Fornication is an instrinsically disordered act, the sex act is not. Contraception is an intrinsically disordered act, the sex act is not.

Fornication and contraception are both disordered uses of the sex act. Therefore, they are in fact morally equivalent.
 
This should have been a short thread. There are no degrees of mortal sin so why is there an ongoing debate. Both fornication and contraception are mortal sins.
 
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thistle:
This should have been a short thread. There are no degrees of mortal sin so why is there an ongoing debate. Both fornication and contraception are mortal sins.
You are right, its like which is worse…driving a person with lies and deception to the point of suicide or killing him yourself, all these are mortal sins. Not something to debate like which is better, coke or pepsi.
 
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kaymart:
You are right, its like which is worse…driving a person with lies and deception to the point of suicide or killing him yourself, all these are mortal sins. Not something to debate like which is better, coke or pepsi.
Now you’ve got me. I’m a coke man!!
 
Couldn’t really “compare” them anyways. It’d be like comparing an apple and an orange…
 
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