Forthcoming Benedictine Missal?

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Did anyone else here catch EWTN’s Sunday Night: Live: with Fr. Benedict Groeschel on Feb. 26? Or how about a re-run of the same program?

Fr. Groeschel interviewed Bob Moynihan of Inside the Vatican magazine. WOW! Mr. Moynihan had a great many interesting things to say; two statements that stood out (and were closely related):

(1) That Cardinal Ratzinger, prior to his election as pope, had personally indicated to Mr. Moynihan that he hoped to retire and write a “monumental work on the liturgy.”

(2) Mr. Moynihan plainly predicted that the former cardinal’s intention and desire will lead him, as pope, to inaugurate a great “reform of the reform” of the post Vatican II Latin Rite liturgy. In other words, that Pope Benedict XVI will promulgate a new Missal which will basically bridge the 1962 (Tridentine) Missal with the Missal of Pope Paul VI (Pauline), leading the church both “backwards” and “forwards” at the same time, and providing a true renewal of the Sacred Liturgy in the Latin Rite Catholic Church.

We will have the Benedictine Missal of Pope Benedict XVI!

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
 
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Brain:
I hope so! That sounds awesome!
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DEAR GOD YESS!!! :dancing:
 
I hope so.

I heard a (very orthodox) priest say the other day to "get ready! B16 is gearing up big time to make sure the 'true spirit’ of Vatican II is understood and carried out, especially in our liturgy". I hope he knows what he’s talking about!
 
What a man would do in retirement and what a man would do as pope are two different things.

The Roman Missal has barely been translated for most countries…another major reform isn’t in the works.

nice pipe dream for the ‘authentics’ around here though
 
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(2) Mr. Moynihan plainly predicted that the former cardinal’s intention and desire will lead him, as pope, to inaugurate a great “reform of the reform” of the post Vatican II Latin Rite liturgy. In other words, that Pope Benedict XVI will promulgate a new Missal which will basically bridge the 1962 (Tridentine) Missal with the Missal of Pope Paul VI (Pauline), leading the church both “backwards” and “forwards” at the same time, and providing a true renewal of the Sacred Liturgy in the Latin Rite Catholic Church.

We will have the Benedictine Missal of Pope Benedict XVI!

In the Hearts of Jesus and Mary.

IC XC NIKA
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Wow!!! I would love this!!! I think JPII really paved the way for the renewal in the Catholic church and now B16 is going to continue the work! I love my Catholic faith, and I love my Catholic culture. I will pray for this, I want more contemplation in my life, and having a mass like this would definately increase it!
 
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frommi:
What a man would do in retirement and what a man would do as pope are two different things.

The Roman Missal has barely been translated for most countries…another major reform isn’t in the works.

nice pipe dream for the ‘authentics’ around here though
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Exactly
Just like the reconciliation with the Orthodox, and the SSPX. That we have been hearing so much of lately. Aint gonna happen.
New Missal? Aint gonna
Smackdown on liturgical abuse? Aint gonna
“Reform of the Reform” Aint gonna
Reunion with Orthodox? Aint gonna
SSPX coming Home? Aint gonna
I love the Holy Father, I pray for him daily. But I am enough of A realist to know. that none of these things are going to change.
Probably never.
God knows I wish they would. But thats just wishful thinking.
 
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Exactly
Just like the reconciliation with the Orthodox, and the SSPX. That we have been hearing so much of lately. Aint gonna happen.
New Missal? Aint gonna
Smackdown on liturgical abuse? Aint gonna
“Reform of the Reform” Aint gonna
Reunion with Orthodox? Aint gonna
SSPX coming Home? Aint gonna
I love the Holy Father, I pray for him daily. But I am enough of A realist to know. that none of these things are going to change.
Probably never.
God knows I wish they would. But thats just wishful thinking.
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What DO you think will happen?
 
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Elzee:
What DO you think will happen?
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well since you asked, My opinion is this. Things are just going to keep on pretty much the way they are. some things might get a little better. a lot of things will probably get worse. and by that i mean this.
On the getting better side:
Converts (like myself) will demand more TLM or reverent (EWTN type) novus ordos (Ad orientam)

new Priests seem to already be inclined toward this. at least the ones I know.
a 92 year old priest who is a dear friend of mine (and still active!) (Chaplain for poor clares) told me this last week, " The Liturgy forms the people, then the people build the society and civilization. (ie christian)
It all flows from the liturgy. but it is going to take a grass roots effort to restore it. it aint gonna come from Rome. And unfortunately most people are just to apathetic to even care.
The reunion with the SSPX would have done a lot in this direction. but when we here of an “intervention” by arinze that they be forced to concelebrate the novus ordo. you know that boat is dead in the water. (What planet is he living on?)

Get to know some orthodox people. I did on my journey into the Church. Hear firsthand what they think of our current era of liturgical experimentation. And the way those who earnestly desire the the TLM are treated. If you engage in serious dialouge with them you begin to realize we will never ever ever be one church again. as desirable as that is.

So sorry I dont wait around for “Cure all” Missals to fall down from Rome.
Anything that is going to change must come from US. The priests and laity, who desire reform.
 
I forgot to add this. How much more “renewal” do we need? And what does that even mean? I have been hearing it ever since my conversion. havent we been renewed to death? (literally)
 
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frommi:
What a man would do in retirement and what a man would do as pope are two different things.

The Roman Missal has barely been translated for most countries…another major reform isn’t in the works.

nice pipe dream for the ‘authentics’ around here though
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The mass is the mass, so long as it is valid, the phrasing and language dont matter. BUT I would like a more poetic and beautiful rite just because it would seem more fitting.
 
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…new Priests seem to already be inclined toward this. at least the ones I know.

…but it is going to take a grass roots effort to restore it. it aint gonna come from Rome. And unfortunately most people are just to apathetic to even care.
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I see the same in the new priests I know. Our Bishop is doing a great job with our seminarians.

I’m afraid you’re right about a grass roots effort. I see it very slowly happening in some areas, but I see a lot of apathy as you mention. It’s a tough battle - cradle Catholics who remember the reverence but are either now apathetic or just don’t know what to do to try and get it back in their parishes because they are a minority, and converts who are on fire for the Lord, but, because of the parish they are in, have no idea when it comes to devotion to our Blessed Mother, the Saints, Adoration, etc. because they are being trained in the faith by other converts who weren’t taught, or by the apathetic or ‘progressive’ cafeteria Catholics. Okay, now I’ve depressed myself. Someone tell me I’m wrong.
 
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Elzee:
converts who are on fire for the Lord, but, because of the parish they are in, have no idea when it comes to devotion to our Blessed Mother, the Saints, Adoration, etc. because they are being trained in the faith by other converts who weren’t taught, or by the apathetic or ‘progressive’ cafeteria Catholics.
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If the parish isn’t very good and they are not exposed to orthodoxy, it may take them awhile- but if they keep looking, they will truly fall in love with the Church- and realize that the Church is wonderful beyond all imagination- and will want to learn everything they can about it. If people look for these things, they will find them.
 
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m134e5:
If the parish isn’t very good and they are not exposed to orthodoxy, it may take them awhile- but if they keep looking, they will truly fall in love with the Church- and realize that the Church is wonderful beyond all imagination- and will want to learn everything they can about it. If people look for these things, they will find them.
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True - both for converts and us cradle Catholics…:D.

I’m just impatient. Sometimes it takes awhile for people to even realize there is more. Sometimes you don’t know enough to know you don’t know enough, in other words.
 
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m134e5:
If the parish isn’t very good and they are not exposed to orthodoxy, it may take them awhile- but if they keep looking, they will truly fall in love with the Church- and realize that the Church is wonderful beyond all imagination- and will want to learn everything they can about it. If people look for these things, they will find them.
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This is very true. As Converts we usually have A long journey. (depending on our background) And by the time we swim the Tiber, we usually are grounded in the Faith. After all you have to know the Truth before you believe it.

I found when I entered the Church I was far better catechized than the Average Cradle Catholic. of say the 18-35 age group.
 
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Elzee:
I see the same in the new priests I know. Our Bishop is doing a great job with our seminarians.

I’m afraid you’re right about a grass roots effort. I see it very slowly happening in some areas, but I see a lot of apathy as you mention. It’s a tough battle - cradle Catholics who remember the reverence but are either now apathetic or just don’t know what to do to try and get it back in their parishes because they are a minority, and converts who are on fire for the Lord, but, because of the parish they are in, have no idea when it comes to devotion to our Blessed Mother, the Saints, Adoration, etc. because they are being trained in the faith by other converts who weren’t taught, or by the apathetic or ‘progressive’ cafeteria Catholics. Okay, now I’ve depressed myself. Someone tell me I’m wrong.
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Dont be too depressed 🙂 I see hope in these new Priests. Glad to know that you see the same in your area.
And yes it will be A grass roots effort! Small for now but growing.
It will take On-fire Priests, Cradle Catholics, and Converts to shake up the Apathetic. It can be done. With Gods help.
 
QUICUMQUE VULT:
How much more “renewal” do we need?..havent we been renewed to death?
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We need renewal every day of our lives. That’s how much.

“And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold, I make all things new.” (Rev 21:5)

Does not Christ RENEW his grace in us in the sacraments?
Does not the Eucharist RENEW the sacrifice of calvary?
 
QUICUMQUE VULT:
This is very true. As Converts we usually have A long journey. (depending on our background) And by the time we swim the Tiber, we usually are grounded in the Faith. After all you have to know the Truth before you believe it.

I found when I entered the Church I was far better catechized than the Average Cradle Catholic. of say the 18-35 age group.
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It is easier to get an accurate view of things when you can step outside the picture and look at it as a whole. It is harder (but not impossible) to do that when Catholicism has always been a part of your life. Also, the hungrier a person is, the more they appreciate it when they are fed.
 
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Trevelyan:
We need renewal every day of our lives. That’s how much.

“And he that sat upon the throne said,
Behold, I make all things new.” (Rev 21:5)

Does not Christ RENEW his grace in us in the sacraments?
Does not the Eucharist RENEW the sacrifice of calvary?
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As long as you believe it 👍
 
The Vatican issued a decree in the year 2002 for the new translation of the English Roman Missal. The Vox Clara is the Vatican Comitee undertaking this job. The great thing about this is that the U.S. Bishops have no real (real being the key word) power to decide what the translation reads! So, we can pretty much be assured for a more orthdox translation, which actually a lot of the prayers are also said (not all of them) in the TLM! So we should expect a translation in between what we have now and what we had in 1962. Pope John Paul II actually started this work, but it continues now under Benedict XVI! The reason it is taking so long, was because the U.S. Bishops kept complaining… but recently the Holy See, with Papal Permission is no longer going to let the U.S. Bishops decide on the translations! It is expected to be out withing 2 years of now! Cardinal Peck of Austraila is the chairman of Vox Clara!
 
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