Fortune Tellers?

[Jimmy_B]

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Fortune Telling
Are 'Christians" who personally interpret the bible and then try and predict future events based on what they read (in the Bible), Fortune Tellers?
Be careful:** not everyone here, this is more directed at comments I have read here (at CAF) in general and not at every (protestant) Christian. **
My question here is for all of the modern (Protestant) Christian “prophets” today who claim to know future events based on their “own” personal interpretation of the Bible and then go on to tell (preach) to others; what they believe. Are they by definition “Fortune Tellers”?
**People who for instance; compare current world events against was written in the book of Revelations, or any “prophetic” book of the Bible, are they not, by definition, Fortune Tellers and Soothsayers? **

Webster’s Dictionary definitions:
fortune teller
Function: noun : one that professes to foretell future events.

sooth sayer
Function: noun : a person who predicts the future by magical, intuitive, or more rational means.

prophesiers
Function: verb / Inflected Form(s**): proph·e·sied; proph·e·sy·ing
: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration 2 : to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge 3 : PREFIGURE, intransitive verb 1 : to speak as if divinely inspired 2 : to give instruction in religious matters REACH / 3 **: to make a prediction

synonyms see FORETELL (Fortune Teller)

Tell me where I am wrong.

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[holdencaulfield]

In my opinion they are Numerologists. They think that they can by reading the Bible really carefully find secret things out and predict things. They are not divinely inspired they just search for things that can’t be found. Issac Newton was guilty of this. He thinks the world will end around 2060, will it? I don’t know. I doubt it. Who really cares?

Lastly lets look at this:

“And when you pray, do not keep on babbling like pagans” (Matthew 6:7)

I think this relates to your question because I think that people who read the Bible to closely are babbling on like pagans.

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

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Fortune Telling**
Are 'Christians" who personally interpret the bible and then try and predict future events based on what they read (in the Bible), Fortune Tellers?
Be careful:** not everyone here, this is more directed at comments I have read here (at CAF) in general and not at every (protestant) Christian. **
My question here is for all of the modern (Protestant) Christian “prophets” today who claim to know future events based on their “own” personal interpretation of the Bible and then go on to tell (preach) to others; what they believe. Are they by definition “Fortune Tellers”?
**People who for instance; compare current world events against was written in the book of Revelations, or any “prophetic” book of the Bible, are they not, by definition, Fortune Tellers and Soothsayers? **

Webster’s Dictionary definitions:
fortune teller
Function: noun : one that professes to foretell future events.

sooth sayer
Function: noun : a person who predicts the future by magical, intuitive, or more rational means.

prophesiers
Function: verb / Inflected Form(s**): proph·e·sied; proph·e·sy·ing
: to utter by or as if by divine inspiration 2 : to predict with assurance or on the basis of mystic knowledge 3 : PREFIGURE, intransitive verb 1 : to speak as if divinely inspired 2 : to give instruction in religious matters REACH / 3 **: to make a prediction

synonyms see FORETELL (Fortune Teller)

Tell me where I am wrong.

This is easy. As the Bible points out, you can tell a true prophet from a false one by the fulfillment of their prophecy. If you think modern-day prophets are quacks, you should say so, instead of creating a thread like this.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and many others were prophets. Many prophets were ridiculed “back in the day”. I would be careful about ridiculing modern-day prophets. You could unknowingly be repeating the mistakes of others.

Prophets get their information from God, who speaks through Scripture and through dreams and visions. God hasn’t changed. You can’t lump fortune tellers, soothsayers and prophets/prophetesses into the same category. The source of the inspiration is vastly different.

Peace…

MW

 

[Jimmy_B]

This is easy. As the Bible points out, you can tell a true prophet from a false one by the fulfillment of their prophecy. If you think modern-day prophets are quacks, you should say so, instead of creating a thread like this.

Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel and many others were prophets. Many prophets were ridiculed “back in the day”. I would be careful about ridiculing modern-day prophets. You could unknowingly be repeating the mistakes of others.

Prophets get their information from God, who speaks through Scripture and through dreams and visions. God hasn’t changed. You can’t lump fortune tellers, soothsayers and prophets/prophetesses into the same category. The source of the inspiration is vastly different.

Peace…

MW

Hello Mystic Warrior,

Are you a "modern day prophet"or "fortune teller? I ask this question because of your comment here and because of your “forum name” and stated religion, of the same name?

Take care,

 

[Mystic_Warrior]

Hello Mystic Warrior,

Are you a "modern day prophet"or "fortune teller? I ask this question because of your comment here and because of your “forum name” and stated religion, of the same name?

Take care,

Hello Jimmy.

I tried to think of a proper response that was both understandable and meaningful. What follows is my best shot at it.

I prefer the term “psychic abilities” as opposed to prophecy, fortune telling and soothsaying. They presuppose a Biblical framework that doesn’t work with my experience.

No, I don’t consider myself to be a prophet or fortuneteller. I know many who are “prophets” and “prophetesses” in the Biblical sense, meaning they see and hear things that are to come to pass from a Christian perspective (and they do come to pass) through direct interaction with God.

But, there’s much more to it than that. I know others who use their psychic ability where they don’t have a Christian perspective, but a spiritual perspective, irregardless of the Christian understanding of God.

Others, like me, see the present occurences through not our physical senses, but through our inward senses that God gave us (in my opinion). For example, I feel and know things (clairsentience and claircognizance) that are currently manifesting and will be manifesting, not through observable phenomena, but by inward psychic abilities that I believe all people have. They choose to block them out and/or repress them.

As I began to work with exorcisms and spirit release, my views on psychic abilities and the “unseen” part of the universe has changed. I detail my work through my blogs you can access from my signature.

I believe that God speaks to people today through various ways, whichever way is easiest for the person to understand and in a format they can understand. There’s not a “one-size-fits-all” approach with God.

I can feel when an evil entity is present, who it is and why they have come. I also feel and know sometimes when it is another kind of spirit. Sometimes I know an outcome before it happens when it is of a spiritual nature. It’s similar to what you would call a “gut” feeling. People often do not listen to what their body is telling them. If a person is open to it, I believe God will speak to them.

Hopefully I have helped to answer it, but maybe not. Let me know if you need clarification.

Peace…

MW

 

[blacktiger057]

I think this relates to your question because I think that people who read the Bible to closely are babbling on like pagans.

Babble like pagans? lol, but I’ve seen people on these forums babble Bible versuses and attempt to explain them, and then someone contradicts that, etc. On pagans forums, this sort of 'babbling doesn’t happen often.

 

[LDNCatholic]

Babble like pagans? lol, but I’ve seen people on these forums babble Bible versuses and attempt to explain them, and then someone contradicts that, etc. On pagans forums, this sort of 'babbling doesn’t happen often.

Scott they are reffering to the Bible verse against praying meaningless repetitive prayer. Jesus wasn’t talking about you neopagans. He was talking about the actual pagans from ancient times who sacrificed to the Babylonian gods, and the Egyptians, and the Baal worshippers. Although if you do do things in a mindless repetitive way then it counts against you too.

 

[abucs]

Well i guess many are fortune tellers in some respects including the CC if they are trying to tell our future.
Like the statement - Jesus will come again is telling our future.

The CC says it has the authority to teach the Christian tradition of what is to come - and i accept that. But from outside the CC there are also other claims and as a Catholic i would distinguish between the two but in an open conversation with someone outside the CC i would have to accept a different point if only to pursue the conversation.

I think you can have a basic concept of what will happen and then you can drill down and try to explain the smallest detail for each line in say, the book of Revelations.

I think people interpreting biblical prophecy who don’t continually stress that it is their interpretation on this, and that, but say it as unchallenged truth, and pile one interpretation on top of another before mutual consensus, are not going to get too far with me.

That kind of preaching reminds me of a salesman selling a dodgy product. So i guess my criticism would be on the approach of fortune telling rather than the message.

If the guy tries to reach consensus and fails then we just walk away from the topic and i can respect the other party for that.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Scott they are reffering to the Bible verse against praying meaningless repetitive prayer. Jesus wasn’t talking about you neopagans. He was talking about the actual pagans from ancient times who sacrificed to the Babylonian gods, and the Egyptians, and the Baal worshippers. Although if you do do things in a mindless repetitive way then it counts against you too.

It’s really about using certain prayers over and over like casting magic spells, as if the wording of the prayer does something special that random prayer from the heart won’t.

 

[LDNCatholic]

It’s really about using certain prayers over and over like casting magic spells, as if the wording of the prayer does something special that random prayer from the heart won’t.

Thanks for explaining it better than I could