Kalt this always grows tiresome. You are so paranoid that every non RC is somehow obviously or otherwise slandering your church that you have such a block that your can’t read properly.
It is a believe. It may or may not be true. It is not subject to proof. If it were every logical average intelligent person in the entire world would agree with you. I believe a good many things about my church as well, and I believe them to be true. I cannot prove them as such either, and so I refrain from declaring them as obvious truth. They are true to me.
You are so blinded as to not see this apparently. I fully expect any RC to believe that what their church teaches is truth. But we are talking about believing that something is true and being able to prove it objectively true to disinterested parties. We all believe these things. Can you not see the difference? If not, I am sorry but you must if you ever wish to debate with any kind of respect.
You are not required to to think other opinions either equal or valid. Sigh…this should be obvious.
again, no one is asking you to water down anything. I cannot seem to get through with to you with English. Is there a some other language that you are more comfortable with? I can’t speak to you obviously, but perhaps we can find a interpreter to help us communicate?
I understand exactly what you’re saying.
The following is a perfect example of your logic.
“It is a believe. It may or may not be true. It is not subject to proof. If it were every logical average intelligent person in the entire world would agree with you. I believe a good many things about my church as well, and I believe them to be true. I cannot prove them as such either, and so I refrain from declaring them as obvious truth. They are true to me.”
You may be unwilling to commit 100% to a faith. This is not true of Catholics. We believe that Catholicism is the truth.
Your argument is that all faiths are merely one truth among many contradictory truths that may or may not be true.
I’m sure that you can see just how illogical that logic is.
Catholics believe that our faith is the truth. This seems to bother you to no end.
And for the life of me I can’t figure out why you don’t believe that same thing about your own faith? Is it that the faith you have now is good for now, but if something truer comes along that will be better? Why the reluctance to commit to your faith? Why say you believe is is true and then say that it may or may not be true. That makes no sense. You either believe it’s true, or you believe it’s not true. A more accurate statement would be, “I think that my faith might be true. Since I can’t prove it, I’m not going to commit.”
“Kalt this always grows tiresome. You are so paranoid that every non RC is somehow obviously or otherwise slandering your church that you have such a block that your can’t read properly.”
Actually, it is you who plays victim. You’ve posted oddles of responses complainging that Catholics don’t use the words to describe their faith that make you happy. If Catholic says that Catholicism is the truth, you are offended. You want us to say that it might be the truth, because that is what you believe about your own faith.
You insist on discussing the differences between Catholicism and your faith, but you want Catholics to water-down their faith when communicating with you. If the Catholic states a believe that you don’t like, that you think is insulting to you (that the Catholic faith is truth, for example), you try to insist that the Catholic change the belief to agree with your views on your own faith, namely that “it may or may not be true.”
The truth is that Catholics do believe that their faith is the truth. They believe that Jesus founded the Church, for example, and that that is a fact, not just a possibility among many possibilities.
You want to discuss the Catholic faith, but you can’t handle the truth about what Catholics believe. This is why you go around insisting that we say our faith might be true, but might not be.
When that effort failed, you say that any Catholic who refuses to say that the Catholic faith might not be true, can’t speak English and needs an interpreter.
Disagreeing with you is not the same as not understanding you. I understand what you are saying–the complaint that you’ve been repeating for days now - and I disagree.
The Catholic faith is true. If you want to compare what you believe about your faith and what Catholics believe about their faith. There it is. Catholics believe that their faith is true. Not that it might or might not be true, but that it is true.
You are under no obligation to agree with Catholic doctrine or theology, and I’ve already said that several times. Perhaps it is you who can’t read, since you insist on claiming that I want you accept my faith.
What I ask–and this may be emotionally or intellectually impossible for you–is to accept the Catholic faith for what it is. Not to become Catholic, but to accept Catholicism for what it is, and to quit insisting that Catholics denounce their faith with statments like, “My faith may or may not be true.”
I will repeat it again. - The above is not a Catholic thought. Believing that our faith may or may not be true, is not a Catholic belief.
Why are you insisting that it is?
If you insist again that Catholics “admit” that their faith may or may not be true, you will get a very simple answer. I will not attempt to explain this very simple concept to you again.
I will simply tell you, “No. I will not denounce or deny the Catholic faith with statements like, it may or may not be true.”
