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I am hoping for some guidance. I’m from southern Illinois, and our flavor of Call to (Fr)Action is called FOSI (somewhat fitting, as most of them are a bit older/ baby boomers :rolleyes: but I digress…). A couple at my parish, who are very helpful wonderful people in all other respects, are involved in this group, and VERY involved in our parish (much much longer than I - in their world, I’m the interloper). At a meeting the other day, they were talking about “letting the Bishop know” how unhappy they are about the lack of priest by passing a letter or petition around after Mass for parishoners to sign (we are going to “clusters” in our diocese because of priest shortages) …the largest problem with that is that the letter is sure to contain their solution- married and women priest (even married women priest would be ok with them). :confused: :mad: They even mentioned to our Parish Life coodinator that perhaps she could have Father mention this petition/letter during a homily :banghead:

I wanted to write a letter to the PLC expressing my objections- but I wanted something to back up my complaint. Isn’t there something in canon law that says that a Catholic has a right to be taught correct information or something along those lines? Any help with canon laws in this regard- or any other suggestions for that matter- would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!

BTW- I’ve mentioned this before on the very few times that I’ve had the opportunity to post- I mostly lurk. I can’t post from work, but I can read the forums at work. At home, I have to beat my family off of the computer…you know, mom’s always last in line 😉
 
It is taught that the Church is guided by the power of the Spirit. *Nowhere is it *specified that the Spirit only flows from the top to the bottom. I think it is wonderful and very meaningful that what you are describing is happening. The Spirit will eventually make it’s point, even sometimes from the bottom up, and there will always be those who dissent from that also.
 
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I think it is wonderful and very meaningful that what you are describing is happening. The Spirit will eventually make it’s point, even sometimes from the bottom up, and there will always be those who dissent from that also.
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:confused: Are you in call to action? or Do you know call to action? If they were working with a spirit it certainly would not be one called the Holy Spirit. Perhaps you have not seen much of their mission.
 
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mfundis:
:confused: :mad: They even mentioned to our Parish Life coodinator that perhaps she could have Father mention this petition/letter during a homily :banghead:
I wanted to write a letter to the PLC expressing my objections- but I wanted something to back up my complaint. Isn’t there something in canon law that says that a Catholic has a right to be taught correct information or something along those lines? Any help with canon laws in this regard- or any other suggestions for that matter- would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
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I have about 15 minutes before I leave for work but in reading your post, I thought I would offer some suggestions. We have had to deal with some of these (CTA) people who are supposedly going to save our church ! UGH! IfI have time I will look up canon laws if no one else has posted them for you…

Find all the devote people work together on a time of day for prayer. Everyone does not need to be together but just so everyone is praying together for the good of the Church.
Perhaps you can take turns sitting with the Blessed Sacrament for your intention.

Work together as a unit to help build the church.
Most of all this petition ****, don’t mention it, just pray and if questioned about it don’t go into heavy details.

A simple statement that says The Catholic Church was instituted by Christ for us. Now could you really ever seeing the Apostles going after Christ with petitions to change the church. The church is not a Democracy!
 
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mfundis:
I am hoping for some guidance. I’m from southern Illinois, and our flavor of Call to (Fr)Action is called FOSI (somewhat fitting, as most of them are a bit older/ baby boomers :rolleyes: but I digress…). A couple at my parish, who are very helpful wonderful people in all other respects, are involved in this group, and VERY involved in our parish (much much longer than I - in their world, I’m the interloper). At a meeting the other day, they were talking about “letting the Bishop know” how unhappy they are about the lack of priest by passing a letter or petition around after Mass for parishoners to sign (we are going to “clusters” in our diocese because of priest shortages) …the largest problem with that is that the letter is sure to contain their solution- married and women priest (even married women priest would be ok with them). :confused: :mad: They even mentioned to our Parish Life coodinator that perhaps she could have Father mention this petition/letter during a homily :banghead:

I wanted to write a letter to the PLC expressing my objections- but I wanted something to back up my complaint. Isn’t there something in canon law that says that a Catholic has a right to be taught correct information or something along those lines? Any help with canon laws in this regard- or any other suggestions for that matter- would be GREATLY APPRECIATED!
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Yes there is “Rights of the Faithful” in Canon Law. I don’t have them in front of me, they are at the beginning, hope someone can post the numbers.

However if they include “married and women priest” The Bishop most likely would dismiss their letter. It would be better if they sent a list of names of young men from the parish that might be interested in a vocation to the priesthood! Or they could ask the Bishop to send the vocation director to the parish to speak with the youth group.
 
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Yes there is “Rights of the Faithful” in Canon Law. I don’t have them in front of me, they are at the beginning, hope someone can post the numbers.

However if they include “married and women priest” The Bishop most likely would dismiss their letter. It would be better if they sent a list of names of young men from the parish that might be interested in a vocation to the priesthood! Or they could ask the Bishop to send the vocation director to the parish to speak with the youth group.
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I’m reminded of Inaestimable Donum that JPII wrote.
 
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mfundis:
…the largest problem with that is that the letter is sure to contain their solution- married and women priest (even married women priest would be ok with them). :confused: :mad: They even mentioned to our Parish Life coodinator that perhaps she could have Father mention this petition/letter during a homily… :banghead:
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First, there cannot be female ordained priests within the Catholic Church. That’s a done deal – it’s part of the deposit of our faith. Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis off the web for the exact language.

Second, with respect to married priests, I would hunt-up some currents statistics from the Eastern Catholics, jews, orthodox churches and the protestant groups that also face severe shortages of clergy, despite allowing their clergy to marry…

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is dogmatic. They cannot argue against it with any success, and the statistics should help them to realize their confusion with respect to the married NON-issue.

Maybe they should get off their behinds and do all they can to foster priestly vocations…
 
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First, there cannot be female ordained priests within the Catholic Church. That’s a done deal – it’s part of the deposit of our faith. Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis off the web for the exact language.

Second, with respect to married priests, I would hunt-up some currents statistics from the Eastern Catholics, jews, orthodox churches and the protestant groups that also face severe shortages of clergy, despite allowing their clergy to marry…

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is dogmatic. They cannot argue against it with any success, and the statistics should help them to realize their confusion with respect to the married NON-issue.

Maybe they should get off their behinds and do all they can to foster priestly vocations…
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Saint Pope Pius X was correct. The greatest enemy of the Church is liberal catholicism.

These people will not listen to reason, they never do.

This will spark them…start a petition to follow what Vatican II said about the Liturgy…Gregorian Chant, Latin, and Poliphony. Let’s see them support the documents.
 
I recently moved to So. IL diocese from St. Louis. I was unpleasantly surprised at the amount of heterodoxy and liturgical abuses as I was parish shopping. Unlike the neighboring St. Louis and Springfield dioceses, I can almost be assured of being fed some form of dissent in the Belleville area parishes- which usually involves diminishing the role of the priest to a “presider.”

It is unfortunate, but it seems that this FOSIL group has taken hold of the area parishes in leadership positions, despite the fact that the region and most of the laity appear to be conservative. I think it proves the fact that for many years vocations were suppressed in order for this agenda to be brought about in order to solve the crisis.

The fact that St. Louis has decent vocation numbers and Belleville does not should tell you something. Most of the priests I run into are of the “groovy” 60’s type or are very effeminate, which is not a good model for those who are discerning a calling to the priesthood.
 
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Crusader:
First, there cannot be female ordained priests within the Catholic Church. That’s a done deal – it’s part of the deposit of our faith. Read Ordinatio Sacerdotalis off the web for the exact language.

Second, with respect to married priests, I would hunt-up some currents statistics from the Eastern Catholics, jews, orthodox churches and the protestant groups that also face severe shortages of clergy, despite allowing their clergy to marry…

Ordinatio Sacerdotalis is dogmatic. They cannot argue against it with any success, and the statistics should help them to realize their confusion with respect to the married NON-issue.

Maybe they should get off their behinds and do all they can to foster priestly vocations…
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Well they obviously ARE, in their own twisted sort of way. The woman in charge of the group clearly wants to be the new Parish Priestess.:eek:
 
Well they obviously ARE, in their own twisted sort of way. The woman in charge of the group clearly wants to be the new Parish Priestess

I wish I could be more optimistic about this “there cannot be female ordained priests within the Catholic Church.” belief.

Unfortunately Ms. Priestess wannabe and her ilk have won several innings in the last 20+ years: Communion in the paw; altar girls; dancing matrons; Ascension Sunday; hand holding; grin and grip (sign of peace); unity candle; god is my boyfriend hymns; standing before, during, and after Communion; etc.
 
:o I want to thank you all for your responses- It’s SO frustrating not to be able to respond from work (nasty firewalls), so sorry it took so long to do so. I will look into the canon law (I think it’s online somewhere).

Fasted,
are you at St. Claire’s or St. Nick’s (if you don’t mind me asking)?
 
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Agomemnon:
This will spark them…start a petition to follow what Vatican II said about the Liturgy…Gregorian Chant, Latin, and Poliphony. Let’s see them support the documents.
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WOOT! Booyeah! 👍

Many years ago, my mother was attending a county fair, at which the area’s Planned Parenthood had out a petition with many signatures. My mom scrawled across the petition, “Let’s not support teenage promiscuity.”
Hours later, she returned to find not one more person had signed that petition after her comment!

Sometimes, it only takes one person to stand against what appears to be a tidal wave of dissent. When one person is brave enough to stand up for what is right, the weaklings who are being led astray have the option of following a different mindset.

So, these people are nice, active, and vocal in the Church. They still are mortal and fallible. They only need to be opposed with the beautiful teachings of the One True Church to blow their liberal philosophies right out of the water.

Inaestimabile Donum, Veritatis Splendor, Canon Law, etc., A couple of quotes from any one or all of these would make their petition look like a piece of junk mail, worthy of the trash bucket.

Or, you could just scrawl across the petition ~ Pray the rosary every day for an increase in holy vocations! Viva el Papa!
 
My guess is that Bishop Gregory won’t give such a letter the time of day. Last year he quickly dismissed a petition by Milwaukee priests for “optional celibacy,” noting that, since Archbishop Dolan arrived, the number of seminarians there had increased. His response didn’t just say, “we can’t do this without the Pope’s approval;” he criticized the whole idea.
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 Bishop Gregory is a good man who has had the unenviable task of leading the church through the sex abuse crisis created largely by the current bishops' predecessors. It would seem that it's a good thing his term as President of the USCCB is ending soon. Based on these posts, he has lots more housecleaning to do in Belleville.
-Illini
 
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