"Fourth Trimester Abortions" Now Legal in Canada as Infanticide OKd

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While this is an awful story, I think your post title is more than a little misleading, inflammatory, and it is objectively false. What this disturbed girl did is in no way legal in Canada. She received a suspended sentence with a number of standard legal proscriptions, in other words she was convicted of a criminal offense. We may discuss the appropriateness of such a light sentence, but please do not say it is “legal” in Canada. I think there’s really not a good resolution possible to such a human tragedy, though a suspended sentence does gall. She was called “baby killer” in prison because she is one.
 
“Fourth Trimester Abortions” Now Legal in Canada as Infanticide OKd

A woman who strangled and killed her newborn baby has been released and will face no jail time thanks to a judge who cited support for legalized abortion in Canada, where abortions are legal and paid for at taxpayer expense.

lifenews.com/2011/09/13/woman-who-killed-infant-freed-by-canadas-pro-abortion-law/
Where does it say that 4th trimester abortions or infantcide are now legal and OKd in Canada? Go LifeNews, for always reporting the facts! 👍

It looks to me like a mentally disturbed person was given a lesser sentence for the crime, not that it was “okay” or legal…
 
While we do operate under common law up here in the great white north, this doesn’t legalize infanticide. In fact, it’s not even a precedent in cases where the mother is mentally sound.

Not to mention Life Site doesn’t mention its sources, nor can I find this case outside what I call the “Catholic News Bubble”… nothing in any of the MSM/Sub-MSM outlets we’d normally call reliable when we were looking for new about, say, flooding…

I commend Lifesite for at least having an obvious and clear bias. I’m not saying this article is biased, just that I’d like to see this sort of thing reported in more… readily-sourced media.
 
It is also important - though not mentioned in the life news article - that two mental health professionals testified that the girl had mental health issues at the time she killed her baby. That doesn’t make it right, but it does mitigate some of her responsibility. That was one of the issues cited by the court in the ruling.
 
It is also important - though not mentioned in the life news article - that two mental health professionals testified that the girl had mental health issues at the time she killed her baby. That doesn’t make it right, but it does mitigate some of her responsibility. That was one of the issues cited by the court in the ruling.
In this case, the Church would even see that this girl did not commit a sin because of her condition inhibited her from making a free and willful choice on the matter. That doesn’t mean that the Church has now accepted infanticide.

Hooray for sensationalism!
 
In this case, the Church would even see that this girl did not commit a sin because of her condition inhibited her from making a free and willful choice on the matter. That doesn’t mean that the Church has now accepted infanticide.

Hooray for sensationalism!
Well, maybe. It may diminish her culpability but only she and her confessor (if she is Catholic) would know what to what extent she did or did not exercise free will.

I will be praying for her, and all young mothers who are faced with difficult life situations. :signofcross:
 
And here I thought LifeNews was over the top, looking for trouble. However it turns out that some of the people on here are even WORSE then LifeNews is at spreading lies and half-truths. Thank you for once again making me question if I did the right thing in becoming Catholic, because I have a hard time being on the same side as a bunch of loons and liars… :mad:
 
I always worry what will come up when people post LifNews stuff.

This kind of thing is bad for the whole pro-life movement and makes us look like a bunch of loony liars.
 
“Fourth Trimester Abortions” Now Legal in Canada as Infanticide OKd

A woman who strangled and killed her newborn baby has been released and will face no jail time thanks to a judge who cited support for legalized abortion in Canada, where abortions are legal and paid for at taxpayer expense.

lifenews.com/2011/09/13/woman-who-killed-infant-freed-by-canadas-pro-abortion-law/
LifeNews.com where facts and honesty don’t get in the way of our reporting!👍

Pax,
OA
 
And here I thought LifeNews was over the top, looking for trouble. However it turns out that some of the people on here are even WORSE then LifeNews is at spreading lies and half-truths. Thank you for once again making me question if I did the right thing in becoming Catholic, because I have a hard time being on the same side as a bunch of loons and liars… :mad:
Curious: What are you talking about? I think I missed the context of your disapproval.

Pax,
OA
 
And here I thought LifeNews was over the top, looking for trouble. However it turns out that some of the people on here are even WORSE then LifeNews is at spreading lies and half-truths. Thank you for once again making me question if I did the right thing in becoming Catholic, because I have a hard time being on the same side as a bunch of loons and liars… :mad:
Just because some people don’t follow the teachings of the Church, does that make the teachings bad?
 
A related article:

"Infanticide conviction nets Alberta woman suspended sentence
09/09/2011 10:48:17 PM
CBC News

Katrina Effert, the Wetaskiwin, Alta., woman convicted of infanticide for killing her newborn son, was given a three-year suspended sentence Friday.

Katrina Effert was 19 on April 13, 2005, when she secretly gave birth in her parents’ home, strangled the baby boy with her underwear and threw the body over a fence into a neighbour’s yard."…

Source link and entire story: news.sympatico.cbc.ca/canada/suspended_sentence_for_alberta_woman_convicted_of_infanticide/07a4ed16
 
Where does it say that 4th trimester abortions or infantcide are now legal and OKd in Canada? Go LifeNews, for always reporting the facts! 👍
It appears the OP wrote the title of the thread, not LifeSiteNews. The actual title of the article at LifeSiteNews is:

“Woman Who Killed Infant Freed by Canada’s Pro-Abortion Law”
 
Here’s another related article from LifeSiteNews, which also does not mention “Fourth Trimester Abortions” being legal in Canada.

"Shock: No jail time for woman who strangled newborn because Canada accepts abortion, says judge

EDMONTON, Alberta, September 12, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) – An Alberta judge has let a woman who strangled her newborn son walk free by arguing that Canada’s absence of a law on abortion signals that Canadians “sympathize” with the mother."…

Entire article: lifesitenews.com/judge-rules-no-jail-time-for-infanticide-because-canada-accepts-abortion.html
 
Maybe some of our dear friends would permit me to suggest we put the hammers back in the toolboxes before someone beats Lifesite News to death . I’m guilty of hammering them myself - more than once, however, suggestion: Forget about Lifesite News for a minute.

Whether it is “legal” or not proves to be somewhat of a technicality. A message is being given here that , now, if a young mother doesn’t want to carry her child, or doesn’t want people to know she’s pregnant, or for whatever other half baked reason someone might come up with, not only can she have an abortion - legally, she could also kill the child after she has given birth and still get away with it. Without even considering the mother’s mental or emotional condition , that is the message being conveyed by the judge’s decision.

Ya ,ya , I know : "…suspended sentence, blah blah blah. "

We are living in the Culture of Death. Lifesite News didn’t come up with that name; his holiness Pope John Paul II did !

Isn’t anyone even eerily reminded a little bit of Blessed Mother Theresa’s words … " And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another ? "

Katrina Effert was originally sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 10 years after being convicted of second degree murder and her lawyer’s contraversial call for a mistrial was rejected..

Infanticide, on the other hand, according to the Canadian Criminal Code :

233. A female person commits infanticide when by a wilful act or omission she causes the death of her newly-born child, if at the time of the act or omission she is not fully recovered from the effects of giving birth to the child and by reason thereof or of the effect of lactation consequent on the birth of the child her mind is then disturbed. R.S., c. C-34, s. 216.

is punishable by -

237. Every female person who commits infanticide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 220.

The more we read about it, the more we discover that the 5-year imprisonment term is rarely applied in cases of conviction.

Not only that, as much as 5 months after giving birth, a mother could still be considered as not having recovered from the effects of giving birth.

Have a look at this one page from the Canadian Children’s Rights Council and you’ll verify the above and further discover from the Canadian CRC Editor’s commentary …
If a father, who is deeply depressed, kills his 5 month old child, he has committed “murder” and is often treated by the media and judges as another violent male. These judges are subject to feminist indoctrination in their training at Canada’s National Judicial Institute.
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That’s where we stand guys.

Justice Joanne Veit , in her verdict :
In her judgment, the judge rejected arguments from the Crown that the single father and the grandparent also face “the same stresses of the mind” as a mother who kills her own baby.
The fact that Canada has no abortion laws reflects that “while many Canadians undoubtedly view abortion as a less than ideal solution to unprotected sex and unwanted pregnancy, they generally understand, accept and sympathize with the onerous demands pregnancy and childrbirth exact from mothers, especially mothers without support,” she writes.
Remember Kermit Gosnell ?

We should consider this:

He did pretty well exactly the same thing that mother did to her child . If he had done that in Canada, I wonder (if) what he would have been charged with…:hmmm: … Do we really think it will be so long before a lawyer successfully argues that the (ahem) doctor was acting compassionately on the mother’s behalf when he killed her child directly after delivering it ?

Welcome to the culture of death . In between bashing sessions of Lifesite News , it’s probably a good idea to not let our hearts bleed all over our sense of right and wrong or it just might become obscured.
 
While we do operate under common law up here in the great white north, this doesn’t legalize infanticide. In fact, it’s not even a precedent in cases where the mother is mentally sound.

Not to mention Life Site doesn’t mention its sources, nor can I find this case outside what I call the “Catholic News Bubble”… nothing in any of the MSM/Sub-MSM outlets we’d normally call reliable when we were looking for new about, say, flooding…

I commend Lifesite for at least having an obvious and clear bias. I’m not saying this article is biased, just that I’d like to see this sort of thing reported in more… readily-sourced media.
Well i’m only marginally sorry to dig through the covering of snow in the great white north you inhabit to heap up some black mud but abortion is legal throughout Canada and so are partial birth abortions included and conducted under this legal protection. This may be shocking to your sensibilites on this issue, but a partial birth abortion is infanticide whether a government, it’s courts or it’s entire society wish or refuse to call it infanticide or not, that is exactly what it is.
When the head of the neonate is birthed or partially birthed the baby will draw it’s first breath, this is actually first an expiration and then an inhalation of atmospheric air, all the amazing physiological events which take place within the body of the newborn are triggered by this first breath, no one in their right mind can deny that the baby is now living on it’s own, but just as quickly if they could, but they can’t, the abortioners then kill the baby by evacuating his or her brain from the cranium. That is infanticide, it is homicide. That is legal in Canada and that is legal right here in the good old USof A and that is legally practiced throughout all abortion legal countries in the world.
 
I never said abortion wasn’t legal.

I said that infanticide wasn’t legal, cf. Criminal Code of Canada C.34 §216.

This woman wasn’t acquitted. She has a suspended sentence… like any other mentally unhinged person.

Funny thing about laws… they come with documentation. I’m not supporting Abortion. I’m supporting the current legal reality.
 
I never said abortion wasn’t legal.

I said that infanticide wasn’t legal, cf. Criminal Code of Canada C.34 §216.

This woman wasn’t acquitted. She has a suspended sentence… like any other mentally unhinged person.

Funny thing about laws… they come with documentation. I’m not supporting Abortion. I’m supporting the current legal reality.
Okay but then she would have committed a criminally insane act and she would have to be institutionalized in a mental hospital right, what is the current legal reality you are supporting?
 
Curious: What are you talking about? I think I missed the context of your disapproval.

Pax,
OA
OA,

I am just a little pissed that people on here lie, thinking that anything that might get people upset enough to side with them is okay. That somehow the ends always justifies the means. What upsets me is that one of the main things that for years kept me away from Christianity was the lies of the Protestant right wing kooks. I became Catholic because I thought that people on this side were more sane, more down to earth. However it is the same thing over here, nuts who are so pro-life they will lie about anything, hatred of Harry Potter books by people who have never read them and even a few people trying to say that the Church is somehow anti-meat.
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 I just don't get it, there are lots of things I wish the Church would do, however I don't post on here trying to make it seem that they agree with whatever hairbrained idea is in my head today. And trust me, I have tons of them. In fact it is one of the reasons I became Catholic, because I am so good at fooling myself and twisting things, if it was just me and a Bible, by the end of a week I would be 100% sure that fornication, scamming people for money, cheating and getting drunk are perfectly okay.
I am not really going to give up on the Church, I have fallen in love with her, but if these kooks think I am going to let them spread lies to people, they have another thing coming…

I STAND FAST ON THE ROCK OF PETER! :knight1:
 
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