"Fourth Trimester Abortions" Now Legal in Canada as Infanticide OKd

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Well, maybe. It may diminish her culpability but only she and her confessor (if she is Catholic) would know what to what extent she did or did not exercise free will.

I will be praying for her, and all young mothers who are faced with difficult life situations. :signofcross:
If one is mentally ill, one cannot even go to confession. I guess a psychological evaluation is needed to determine to what extent the mental illness is.
 
And here I thought LifeNews was over the top, looking for trouble. However it turns out that some of the people on here are even WORSE then LifeNews is at spreading lies and half-truths. Thank you for once again making me question if I did the right thing in becoming Catholic, because I have a hard time being on the same side as a bunch of loons and liars… :mad:
If you’re becoming Catholic because of the people in the Catholic Church, you are doing it for the wrong reason. Come here for the faith and the teaching. You must understand, the Church is a hospital for those afflicted with sin, some of us have a worse condition than others.
 
Okay but then she would have committed a criminally insane act and she would have to be institutionalized in a mental hospital right, what is the current legal reality you are supporting?
She was penalized. We might not all care for her penalty, but that’s why the Crown can appeal again for a stiffer sentence.

It doesn’t change that it is irresponsible to label this as the legalization of infanticide, or to jocularly refer to that particular crime as a “Fourth Trimester Abortion”. Abortion is legal in this country, not because we specifically set out to make it legal, but because there is not enough pressure to criminalize it. Even if we were to pass a law against abortion in this country, I feel that the SCC in its current incarnation would rule the law as unconstitutional, much as they did to other religiously-motivated “morality laws”.

It drives me absolutely over the top when people sensationalize the news to the point of misrepresenting the facts of the case or its consequences.
 
If you’re becoming Catholic because of the people in the Catholic Church, you are doing it for the wrong reason. Come here for the faith and the teaching. You must understand, the Church is a hospital for those afflicted with sin, some of us have a worse condition than others.
That has to be one of the best and most well thought out answers I have seen in a long time, Thank You. :amen:
 
Maybe some of our dear friends would permit me to suggest we put the hammers back in the toolboxes before someone beats Lifesite News to death . I’m guilty of hammering them myself - more than once, however, suggestion: Forget about Lifesite News for a minute.

Whether it is “legal” or not proves to be somewhat of a technicality. A message is being given here that , now, if a young mother doesn’t want to carry her child, or doesn’t want people to know she’s pregnant, or for whatever other half baked reason someone might come up with, not only can she have an abortion - legally, she could also kill the child after she has given birth and still get away with it. Without even considering the mother’s mental or emotional condition , that is the message being conveyed by the judge’s decision.

Ya ,ya , I know : "…suspended sentence, blah blah blah. "

We are living in the Culture of Death. Lifesite News didn’t come up with that name; his holiness Pope John Paul II did !

Isn’t anyone even eerily reminded a little bit of Blessed Mother Theresa’s words … " And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another ? "

Katrina Effert was originally sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole for 10 years after being convicted of second degree murder and her lawyer’s contraversial call for a mistrial was rejected..

Infanticide, on the other hand, according to the Canadian Criminal Code :

233. A female person commits infanticide when by a wilful act or omission she causes the death of her newly-born child, if at the time of the act or omission she is not fully recovered from the effects of giving birth to the child and by reason thereof or of the effect of lactation consequent on the birth of the child her mind is then disturbed. R.S., c. C-34, s. 216.

is punishable by -

237. Every female person who commits infanticide is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding five years. R.S., c. C-34, s. 220.

The more we read about it, the more we discover that the 5-year imprisonment term is rarely applied in cases of conviction.

Not only that, as much as 5 months after giving birth, a mother could still be considered as not having recovered from the effects of giving birth.

Have a look at this one page from the Canadian Children’s Rights Council and you’ll verify the above and further discover from the Canadian CRC Editor’s commentary …

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That’s where we stand guys.

Justice Joanne Veit , in her verdict :

Remember Kermit Gosnell ?

We should consider this:

He did pretty well exactly the same thing that mother did to her child . If he had done that in Canada, I wonder (if) what he would have been charged with…:hmmm: … Do we really think it will be so long before a lawyer successfully argues that the (ahem) doctor was acting compassionately on the mother’s behalf when he killed her child directly after delivering it ?

Welcome to the culture of death . In between bashing sessions of Lifesite News , it’s probably a good idea to not let our hearts bleed all over our sense of right and wrong or it just might become obscured.
 
From the article linked directly above - confirmed by the words of the mother’s lawyer , and as related earlier in a post , a part I find paticularly disturbing (bolds mine) is :
The maximum sentence for infanticide is five years, but the defence argued that virtually every case in Canada has resulted in noncustodial punishment for women.
I’m not looking at this case as much as all the cases. Earlier in the thread one of my fellow "Great White Northerners" said
While we do operate under common law up here in the great white north, this doesn’t legalize infanticide. In fact, it’s not even a precedent in cases where the mother is mentally sound.
I apologize, but the wording isn’t too clear on this. I don’t believe there is any such thing as infanticide being a precedent, so I’m interpreting this to mean “there has been no precedent set in Canadian Criminal Law in cases of infanticide which might make it appear legal.”
(* HerrZJA please feel free to correct me if I’m missing something here - [wouldn’t be the first time] ).

I believe that, while there may be no legal precedent set forth in writing affecting the legality of infanticide , the very fact that Katrina Effert’s lawyer pointed out to the judge that virtually every case of infanticide in Canada has resulted in noncustodial punishment for women makes it function as a very effective precedent - not as to whether convicting , but regarding punishment, incarceration.

If the punishment is lax (I’m speaking generally here) , then the conviction of “guilty” becomes mere lip service.

Katrina Effert’s case, according to what I’ve read, appears tragic. But what is far more tragic is how, in this country, the depraved mentality of legally slaying a child in its mother’s womb is being nourished by Supreme Court judges … to the point where it appears to be slithering out of the womb now for expansion - to begin posturing the inclusion of newborn infants.

May our Blessed Lord save us.

Hail Mary, full of grace
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou amongst women
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus.
Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners, now,
and at the hour of our death.

AMEN
 
(* HerrZJA please feel free to correct me if I’m missing something here - [wouldn’t be the first time] ).
You’re not misquoting me. The point I was trying to make was that this case doesn’t change the section of the Criminal Code regarding infanticide, id est, the law stands. My point was more or less that the legality of infanticide didn’t change.
 
I am going to look at this case in a more positive light…(if there can even be one)

Not giving this woman a punishment will show abortion for what it is “a go ahead to kill ones own child with the law on your side.” Now I am not saying that Cananda is okay with women killing their already born children, but in a sense they are okay with women killing their children this is just a case of the government showing their true face.
 
You’re not misquoting me. The point I was trying to make was that this case doesn’t change the section of the Criminal Code regarding infanticide, id est, the law stands. My point was more or less that the legality of infanticide didn’t change.
Thankyou for the clarification.
 
Without commenting on the legal merits of the sentence or even upon the state of the defendant’s mind when she killed the child, several conclusions come to mind.
  1. Murder of a newborn infant is a lesser crime than murder of an adult.
  2. Murder of a newborn infant by its mother is a lesser offense than murder by its father.
  3. Giving birth may be a defense for killing a newborn, as may lactation.
I would not accept any of those conclusions as true, but that seems to be what is being taught by the law. Apparently all human beings are not created equal, some can be killed with a greater degree of impunity than others, and motherhood makes one sufficiently mentally unstable so as to be less culpable for the killing of a newborn.
 
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