Fox and Friends interview with the women from the Texas Polygamy Sect

[hasikelee]

Child abuse and statutory rape are obviously against the law. “Hate” doesn’t enter into it.

But they get special media attention and special “above the law” treatment from our government. Tell me how many legal teams stake out an abortion clinic for years, investigating and waiting for an anonymous call to swoop in.

So we are right back where I was venting. Think how common it is for underage teen girls to get pregnant in America. We sure don’t see their faces plastered all over the magazines in the grocery store, nor do we see their kids (if not aborted) taken into custody for up to a year with a 6 month extension.

Whether the people in this case are criminals or not, action is being taken against them that is above and beyond the average.

 

[LRThunder]

But they get special media attention and special “above the law” treatment from our government. Tell me how many legal teams stake out an abortion clinic for years, investigating and waiting for an anonymous call to swoop in.

So we are right back where I was venting. Think how common it is for underage teen girls to get pregnant in America. We sure don’t see their faces plastered all over the magazines in the grocery store, nor do we see their kids (if not aborted) taken into custody for up to a year with a 6 month extension.

Whether the people in this case are criminals or not, action is being taken against them that is above and beyond the average.

What this group did was illegal; what abortion clinics is, unfortunately, legal. If abortion was illegal, your question would be on solid ground for comparing the two.

 

[hasikelee]

What this group did was illegal; what abortion clinics is, unfortunately, legal. If abortion was illegal, your question would be on solid ground for comparing the two.

Really? Last time I checked statutory rape was illegal for everyone in America, not just mormons or cultists.

And last time I checked covering up statutory rape is illegal as well.

 

[Elric]

This is what irks me. How many underage teens are impregnated every year all across America? Think of all the scandals of teens being raped and then driven to PP to get an abortion. I guess either because they had an abortion so there is no kid or because they put the kid up for adoption, nothing happens.

Nevertheless, what a double standard! Teens all over America are impregnated, but because they dress, act, eat and talk the way they are supposed to, they don’t get raped by our criminal justice system.



Totally heated up over this issue. How can no one put aside their emotions over the particulars of this case to see what is going to happen to us!

Thats really off topic.

You should probably start a new thread discussing this apparent double standard that you see.

 

[LRThunder]

Really? Last time I checked statutory rape was illegal for everyone in America, not just mormons or cultists.

And last time I checked covering up statutory rape is illegal as well.

I agree. But my point is that there is nothing legal what this group did, so you can’t even compare the two, whereas not all abortions performed are performed on those conceived through a crime.

 

[hasikelee]

I agree. But my point is that there is nothing legal what this group did, so you can’t even compare the two, whereas not all abortions performed are performed on those conceived through a crime.

LRT, my point is that this situation is outside the bounds of our constitution and our legal system, and people are not outraged because they are emotionally aligned with the government in this case.

Everyone has comments on these people, comments on their clothing, their religion, the way they live, the way they grow food, etc. Just because their behavior and culture is reprehensible to a lot of people doesn’t mean they should get worse treatment than, say, a regularly dressed man who rapes an underage girl or an atheist who rapes a girl.

 

[LRThunder]

LRT, my point is that this situation is outside the bounds of our constitution and our legal system, and people are not outraged because they are emotionally aligned with the government in this case.

Everyone has comments on these people, comments on their clothing, their religion, the way they live, the way they grow food, etc. Just because their behavior and culture is reprehensible to a lot of people doesn’t mean they should get worse treatment than, say, a regularly dressed man who rapes an underage girl or an atheist who rapes a girl.

What do you mean they get worse treatment? Given their numbers, that decreases their ability to hide from law enforcement whereas it’s easier for a single criminal to evade police and prosecution.

 

[Elric]

LRT, my point is that this situation is outside the bounds of our constitution and our legal system, and people are not outraged because they are emotionally aligned with the government in this case.

I dont believe that to be the case.

If a group (religious or not) is practicing illegal activities, then law enforcement is within their rights to investigate and act to stop it.

They have removed the children from what they see as a dangerous enviroment, which they can legally do. They also believe that the mothers are unwilling or unable to protect their children so they are reluctent to return the children to the same enviroment.

Its a shock because there are so many children involved, but a concerning thing is that the parents are teaching their children that this is normal (girls being married at 13, men having multiple wives, women being inferior ect)

Everyone has comments on these people, comments on their clothing, their religion, the way they live, the way they grow food, etc. Just because their behavior and culture is reprehensible to a lot of people doesn’t mean they should get worse treatment than, say, a regularly dressed man who rapes an underage girl or an atheist who rapes a girl.

What exactly are you basing this idea of “worse treatment” on?

What “worse treatment” have they recieved?

 

[hasikelee]

What do you mean they get worse treatment? Given their numbers, that decreases their ability to hide from law enforcement whereas it’s easier for a single criminal to evade police and prosecution.

I am disputing the process in this case.

You’ve got some strange aspects to this:

The site has been staked out for years

The anonymous caller and her “husband” were never found, but the police removed 416 other people

Rozita Swinton was arrested in Colorado for making the false anonymous call

Witnesses are being referred to anonymously or as “state witnesses”

I like this history, too:

Swinton has a history of posing as girls in trouble. Last year, she pleaded guilty to making a false report to police in Castle Rock, a city south of Denver. In that case, she claimed she was a 16-year-old who wanted to give away her newborn son and kill herself.

Police thought she sounded like a teenager, said Douglas Ernst of the Castle Rock Police Department.

“They were quite surprised she was older. She was about 30 at the time. She did sound like a mid- to late-teen female,” he said.

Experts said that even if the initial call to Texas authorities was fraudulent, it would have no effect on the fate of the hundreds of children in state custody.

 

[Zooey]

From what I have been reading (and it has been quite a bit lately), the Swinton call was the least of the reasons for the raid.
The plans to raid the compound were in place, because of the reports from a confidential informant, placed inside the cult, that something major was about to go down there…
Just because we are not privy to every single bit of evidence that the Texas authorities had, before raiding YFZ, does NOT mean that the Swintron woman is the only reason that all this is happening. She is apparently one of those oddballs who show up ever so often, either confessing to crimes, or making strange claims of other kinds. I do not believe for one minute that the fact that she may have or may have not made some phone calls, has anything to do with what we are seeing.
I have more faith in the Texas Rangers than that.

Other states have been ignoring the FLDS for too long, allowing children to be abused physically & sexually in the name of political correctness. Texas has decided that the kids are more important than keeping a few people in “high places” happy. It is, IMO, about time something was done.
I’m just sorry for all the women & children who have had to suffer, waiting for someone to intervene.

 

[GemmaRose]

So because some 20-something seduces a 13yr old, rapes her and then drives her to the clinic and pays for an abortion, this is therefore less reprehensible and deserving less attention? And when those abortion clinics help the 20-something rapist cover up his actions so he can continue his “relationship” with the 13yr old, we should just look the other way because it isn’t in the name of the Lord?

This is the government picking and choosing. When all of this settles, I wonder what the reason will be behind this.

What is reprehensible in any society is child abuse of any kind and the degradation of women.

Child abuse ranges from the practices of this FLDS compound to parents who raise their children with absolutely no morals so their 13 year old daughters come home pregnant.

We should lobby for a law that makes reporting an underage pregnancy mandatory or the abortion clinic loses its license (and, of course, the baby’s father should be prosecuted). As Hasikelee stated: “And last time I checked covering up statutory rape is illegal as well.”

At the same time, it is the government’s right and duty to protect its citizens. As much as the FLDS folks seem to live in their own little world, they are living on U.S. soil and so must abide by the laws of this country where statutory rape is illegal.

As for the FLDS women, how many times do we need a situation of brainwashed zombies who finally all commit mass suicide? It is a good thing that law enforcement stepped in when it did.

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*“Dear God, do You know the greatest grief one of Your creatures can bear? It is the thought that she can never love You enough. ” *- St. Gemma Galgani

 

[deb1]

LRT, my point is that this situation is outside the bounds of our constitution and our legal system, and people are not outraged because they are emotionally aligned with the government in this case.

Everyone has comments on these people, comments on their clothing, their religion, the way they live, the way they grow food, etc. Just because their behavior and culture is reprehensible to a lot of people doesn’t mean they should get worse treatment than, say, a regularly dressed man who rapes an underage girl or an atheist who rapes a girl.

I think that some people, myself included, have commented on the dress and hairstyles not because they strike as a ugly or strange but because they all seem so non individualised

 

[deb1]

I am disputing the process in this case.

You’ve got some strange aspects to this:

The site has been staked out for years

The anonymous caller and her “husband” were never found, but the police removed 416 other people

Rozita Swinton was arrested in Colorado for making the false anonymous call

Witnesses are being referred to anonymously or as “state witnesses”

I like this history, too:

Swinton has a history of posing as girls in trouble. Last year, she pleaded guilty to making a false report to police in Castle Rock, a city south of Denver. In that case, she claimed she was a 16-year-old who wanted to give away her newborn son and kill herself.

Police thought she sounded like a teenager, said Douglas Ernst of the Castle Rock Police Department.

“They were quite surprised she was older. She was about 30 at the time. She did sound like a mid- to late-teen female,” he said.

Experts said that even if the initial call to Texas authorities was fraudulent, it would have no effect on the fate of the hundreds of children in state custody.

What worries me is that this whole case might come to naught There was some ritualized underage marriage occuring in the compound. The authorities were slowly building up a case. Yes, doing so legally might have taken time but it would probably have been a good, strong case. This woman Rosita calls and the authorities swoop down because the authorities believe her accusations. Now will their whole case fall apart because they thought that they had the needed information to move ahead with the raid, earlier then they wanted to?

 

[hasikelee]

What worries me is that this whole case might come to naught There was some ritualized underage marriage occuring in the compound. The authorities were slowly building up a case. Yes, doing so legally might have taken time but it would probably have been a good, strong case. This woman Rosita calls and the authorities swoop down because the authorities believe her accusations. Now will their whole case fall apart because they thought that they had the needed information to move ahead with the raid, earlier then they wanted to?

:yup:

This story has all the makings of a classic mafia movie, where the mafia lord escapes yet again.

And I didn’t mean for my prior posts to be particularly offensive; they weren’t directed at anyone on the thread so much as I was just venting about the situation. I think the whole case is very strange and I’m afraid they’ve botched their whole investigation, along with hurting a lot of kids and mothers.

 

[deb1]

:yup:

This story has all the makings of a classic mafia movie, where the mafia lord escapes yet again.

And I didn’t mean for my prior posts to be particularly offensive; they weren’t directed at anyone on the thread so much as I was just venting about the situation. I think the whole case is very strange and I’m afraid they’ve botched their whole investigation, along with hurting a lot of kids and mothers.

I think that I understand where you are coming from. The main issue in this story should be whether underage girls were married and if this compound is a cult. Yet, I have heard news reporters comment on the unattractiveness of the women’s dress), hair styles etc.I’ve even heard a reporter make the claim that all the women cried on queue. How the heck could he claim to know that?

I think that the news media forget that the groups’ oddness is not what is illegal. It is the possibility of ritual child abuse that we should all be concerned with.

I do admit to wondering why they all speak in the same exact tone. I could see one shy woman among the group answering in subdued tones but all the women? And now that I have heard the men speak, they sound equally soft spoken. I’ve never seen any group of people in which every single person had the same tone.

 

[HollyDolly]

Yeah,they all seem to sound the same,reminded me of the Stepford Wives movies,especially the original one.
The dressing alike and hairdos don’t bother me.,but the way they talk and act sure do.
I know the Mennonites and Amish dress alike,though there are differences between the two groups.And i wouldn’t mind having the Amish for my neighbors,but these people are just creepy.
At least the Amish and Mennonites trade and interact with non members of their group,and they will help each others and even non members ,if there is a house or barn fire or your sick and need help with the crops,etc.
They had a lot of support from the non Amish community when there was that terrible shooting at that Amish school several years back in Pennsylvania.
But these people are just strange. The hairdo and dresses these women wear remind me of the 1880s to 1900s period.
I really feel sorry for the children.
Some of them are coming to San Antonio to stay in several children shelters here in town.And there are also people here who have come forward offering to be foster parents to these kids.
I think the main reason they are coming here is for that DNA testing,which can be done at Southwest Research Center and UTSA Health Science Center on the campus of the University of Texas,San Antonio.

 

[MomblessedX3]

What worries me is that this whole case might come to naught There was some ritualized underage marriage occuring in the compound. The authorities were slowly building up a case. Yes, doing so legally might have taken time but it would probably have been a good, strong case. This woman Rosita calls and the authorities swoop down because the authorities believe her accusations. Now will their whole case fall apart because they thought that they had the needed information to move ahead with the raid, earlier then they wanted to?

I just don’t see this as coming to naught. How many times have we heard of police pulling someone over because someone called in reporting that they were speeding or driving erratically? When the police pull them over they find alcohol or drugs in the vehicle and the original call is thrown out the window for a bigger drug charge. It doesn’t get thrown out because the original call is unsubstantiated…

I really don’t have an opinion about this whole thing. The way they dress doesn’t disturb me at all. I live in rural and very conservative North Dakota. We see it all. However if their dress is mandated by the men…that would bug me.

I believe I am subserviant to my DH. If we are making a decision and I disagree with him I make my opinion known, but will support what he decides. If it doesn’t work out…it is all on his shoulders However if he began to dictate my dress, my speech, my life style…I’d have serious problems. If it is true that these women are forced to dress and behave in certian ways…and have to give their underage children over to men to be married–I believe that something does need to be done.

I am sure that this isn’t very cohesively written…I am on my prep period at school so I am hurrying…please forgive any parts that don’t make sense!!! I hope you understand my meaning.

I pray that it works out to God’s Will.

 

[deb1]

I just don’t see this as coming to naught. How many times have we heard of police pulling someone over because someone called in reporting that they were speeding or driving erratically? When the police pull them over they find alcohol or drugs in the vehicle and the original call is thrown out the window for a bigger drug charge. It doesn’t get thrown out because the original call is unsubstantiated…

I really don’t have an opinion about this whole thing. The way they dress doesn’t disturb me at all. I live in rural and very conservative North Dakota. We see it all. However if their dress is mandated by the men…that would bug me.

I believe I am subserviant to my DH. If we are making a decision and I disagree with him I make my opinion known, but will support what he decides. If it doesn’t work out…it is all on his shoulders However if he began to dictate my dress, my speech, my life style…I’d have serious problems. If it is true that these women are forced to dress and behave in certian ways…and have to give their underage children over to men to be married–I believe that something does need to be done.

I am sure that this isn’t very cohesively written…I am on my prep period at school so I am hurrying…please forgive any parts that don’t make sense!!! I hope you understand my meaning.

I pray that it works out to God’s Will.

You made sense.