Fox News Poll: 2016 matchups

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I can’t decide yet.

Rubio seems a bit young and green and I’m tired about hearing the same line about his father.
 
Cruz never called for a no-fly zone over Syria, Trump did not either. I know it is a complex situation but it seems rather hawkish per those who called for that, that means, Fiorina, Clinton, Rubio and Christie, Lindsay Graham too, maybe Kasich as well. Perhaps BC too, this action struck me as a bit rash.
 
Exiled_Child said:
I should mention, too, that this Rubio thing is supposedly going to be breaking news in the very near future.

Of course, it may just be a rumor,🤷 which is why I asked in a hypothetical way…
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Let me put it this way, if I were a strong Rubio supporter, I would not be alarmed. I did happen to see the rumor and I don’t believe the source is credible. Possibly others say it could be something dug up by his opponents.
 
I am not familiar with any rumors about Rubio that have been mentioned above. I am definitely not a fan of Rubio’s, but I sincerely hope these things being said about him are false. Unfortunately, rumors even if proved false can ruin a person’s reputation. I am much more concerned about his voting record, or lack of his being there to vote or his foreign policy. He is pretty far down on my list for those reasons.
 
The first I heard about the rumors about Rubio were on this thread-
so I googled it and indeed there were a couple of sites that hinted at it.
I just don’t see him as being the type, I really don’t. Of course, anything is possible but he is a strong Catholic(I think) family man, pro-life,-has four kids. his wife is beautiful and he seems to brag her up on his website. Of course, none of that rules out him being a cheater, but again, he just doesn’t seem the type.
Usually I can sniff out the type. Bill Clinton was definitely the type. I could believe Herman Cain, too, as much as I liked him.
So was that Republican governor, cant remember his name, who had a mistress in South America and divorced his wife and left his 4 sons. Middle age crisis and all. I just think that Rubio would be too smart to run for President if he had a past like that. why have it all drug out through the mud?
I don’t know- I sure hope the rumors aren’t true.
Rubio is one of the three candidates I’m looking at right now that I think would be the best fit for this country in these dangerous times.
ETA the author of the article I read admitted he didn’t care for Rubio and his holier than thou attitude and insinuated that if true he should back out of the race. hmmmm
But it’s ok to vote for liar Hillary?
 
Exiled_Child said:
I should mention, too, that this Rubio thing is supposedly going to be breaking news in the very near future.

Of course, it may just be a rumor,🤷 which is why I asked in a hypothetical way…
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Spreading unsubstantiated rumors is a sin! Calumny and detraction.
You can Google any one of the candidate’s names with the word “affair” after it and find every single one has had a rumor spread about them!
 
I am very worried at how well Trump is still doing. Can someone alleviate my fears?

He is riding into power by using the cheapest emotion: Hate. Hate for immigrants and Muslims. But his promises violate the Constitution and I believe he knows that. So, what happens when someone rides into power on hate, but fails to deliver on his promise to oppress the popular scapegoats? One of two things. First, he could whine about what he COULD do if only he had additional power (we know where that could lead). Or, the hatred which has been aroused in the minds of the populace translates into mob violence and random attacks against specific groups (anyone who is non-white or has an accent).

Hate is never the answer.
 
Catholic_farmer said:
I am very worried at how well Trump is still doing. Can someone alleviate my fears?

He is riding into power by using the cheapest emotion: Hate. Hate for immigrants and Muslims. But his promises violate the Constitution and I believe he knows that. So, what happens when someone rides into power on hate, but fails to deliver on his promise to oppress the popular scapegoats? One of two things. First, he could whine about what he COULD do if only he had additional power (we know where that could lead). Or, the hatred which has been aroused in the minds of the populace translates into mob violence and random attacks against specific groups (anyone who is non-white or has an accent).

Hate is never the answer.
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I don’t think Trump rides on that but the above statement sounds like someone familiar with it.

If one is going to accuse others of such, they should talk about a specific point and debate it, none of us are the ultimate judges, as it is, the statement is as bad or worse than any of the alleged transgressions.

Throw out the race card, hate card, rich card and so on.

I’m much more worried about Americans electing a president who has values I’m certainly not aligned with and leaves America weak on the world stage, weakness that is helping cause much of the turmoil in the world today. That has seen Christians killed and of course, many others killed. That took the part of the protesters in Tahir square only to see the Muslim Brotherhood rise to power. I’m much more fearful of this kind of irresponsible leadership.

An attack on Libya leaving it in chaos. Oh, my, how Trump has acted. :(:rolleyes:
 
Catholic_farmer said:
I am very worried at how well Trump is still doing. Can someone alleviate my fears?

He is riding into power by using the cheapest emotion: Hate. Hate for immigrants and Muslims. But his promises violate the Constitution and I believe he knows that. So, what happens when someone rides into power on hate, but fails to deliver on his promise to oppress the popular scapegoats? One of two things. First, he could whine about what he COULD do if only he had additional power (we know where that could lead). Or, the hatred which has been aroused in the minds of the populace translates into mob violence and random attacks against specific groups (anyone who is non-white or has an accent).

Hate is never the answer.
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Trump remains a mixed bag for me. He is not my front runner. However, I would still put him in my personal top 4. He is often childishly insulting, but I think he says a lot of things other candidates are afraid to say, but maybe have the same feeling. He seem indiscriminate to whom he makes negative comments (pretty much everybody, but mostly those who disagree with him).

So I don’t see him as bigoted where it is directed at a certain minority. Granted he has some strong comments about radical Islam, but no one can surely feel that we don’t have to be cautious of these groups. We have a serious problem in this country in regard to immigration. If we don’t control our own borders it doesn’t matter what we do 5000 miles away. We need to gain control of our own country first. Radical Islam is a serious problem and we definitely have to deal with it here first.

In his regard to military action I believe he take a position that we have to do what we have to do when you enter a war and you can’t play around, but in the same light minimizing the involvement of American ground troops and more fully involving the actions of other nations, His position on creating a safe zone for Syrians in their own country does not seem like a heartless endeavor and would pose less of a threat to Europe and America.

I don’t feel he is as disposed to unnecessary intervention in other nations as most of the others candidates. He didn’t support the no-fly zone which is a sure fire way to escalate the war. He also seems more willing to work with other world leaders than just dictate things to the rest of the world. He seems to have made that work in the business world.
 
Catholic_farmer said:
I am very worried at how well Trump is still doing. Can someone alleviate my fears?

He is riding into power by using the cheapest emotion: Hate. Hate for immigrants and Muslims. But his promises violate the Constitution and I believe he knows that. So, what happens when someone rides into power on hate, but fails to deliver on his promise to oppress the popular scapegoats? One of two things. First, he could whine about what he COULD do if only he had additional power (we know where that could lead). Or, the hatred which has been aroused in the minds of the populace translates into mob violence and random attacks against specific groups (anyone who is non-white or has an accent).

Hate is never the answer.
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I don’t care for Trump, don’t trust him, because of his historic links to people such as Hillary, but I do not see his tone as hate.
There is no hate for immigrants, but the is a strong opposition to illegal immigration. There is no hate for Muslims, but there is fear of Islamo-fascist infiltration among refugees from that area.
Progressives try to claim opposition to illegal immigration is hatred of all immigration, but that is, of course, untrue.
Progressives try to portray opposition to Islamic radicalism as dislike for Muslims. Another falsehood.
The only mob violence we usually see in America is mob violence fomented by progressive hate groups such as Black Lives Matter, the Occupy movement, and the like.
While there are occasionally extremists on the “right”, the mob scenes that shout down speakers on college campuses, and such as this, is almost always from progressives.

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=Sy Noe;13468387]That’s interesting Meltzerboy. I’m a liberal (no longer a news flash I suppose) 😃 but honestly I haven’t given much thought to being concerned about Trump, Cruz or Carson. True, I’m not at all sure Trump is the conservative he acts like. But I just think he’s too far out there, in demeanor, presentation, and so forth, to beat Hillary Clinton. And I think Cruz and Carson are just too extreme rt wing to win a general. I still think a more moderate Republican would have the better chance. I know that didn’t work for McCain or Romney and the base thinks they need someone more extreme to win. But they both lost to Obama who came in after the George W yrs. And if not enough centrists voted for McCain and Romney, I don’t know why the GOP base thinks they would for a more extreme right winger. Neofight I thought had a point. It takes either party’s base but centrists as well. Although I’m unsure there are all that many true centrists anymore. Even those who call themselves independents, I think especially today, align more with one party or the other.
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If Carson is too extreme, why does have leads in PA, MN and MI over Clinton? Those are must-win states for any democrat.

Also, we’ve heard the “moderate” push for 8 years. We’ve basically had moderates running since Reagan, and liberals keep saying how the “GOP has only won the popular vote once since then”.

The problem with the GOP isn’t getting moderate, or more accurately, independent votes, since the Democrats have decided to shoot themselves in the foot by breaking hard left, it’s about getting the base to turn out which is tired of all three political classes as well as elite media and academia stealing their freedom and tax dollars and then smacking them thanklessly with a 2 by 4 demanding more.

The question was posed “why would anyone support Trump”. Well, friends, that would be why, and is anyone really surprised that they care way more about that that what he tweets or says about other celebs, Megyn Kelly or banning radical mosques likely funded by the Saudis?
 
Exiled_Child said:
If it were revealed that Rubio has or had a mistress, would that knock him down further in the polls?

And if so, will Bush’s poll numbers necessarily rise?
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That’s a big If. Is the left discussing that? If so, that’s pretty desperate on their part, especially since Hillary was supposed to be a shoe-in.

My question in those cases is where the secular, liberal American “two consenting adults” is whenever a republican does it?
 
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