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amoxoxoma
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Banned already? After only 7 posts? But we didn’t get a chance to discuss Assyrian barbers yet!
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amoxoxoma
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You’re the critc. You bring the proof.
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pro_universal
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The proof of my claim is here.
My critique is that there’s no evidence to support Shoebat’s claims.
Do you see any here? There’s none out there either.
That’s certainly proof of my claim…there is no such evidence
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Valke2
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Haven’t seen the documentary but I heard of it. Interesting timing in deciding to show it. THe weekend before the elections Fox changes its programming to show, 5 times, a documentary that tells us for 90 minutes that muslims are a menace. I’m sure it did a very good job of tying in Islamic fundamentalism with Nazism.
I did notice that Fox advertised the film as a “shocking new documentary,” which it wasn’t. At least it wasn’t new. I also read that the film accuses evil Islamic extremeists of “fear mongering tactics”. Good thing we don’t have anything like that in the US gov’t going on right now. Or in Fox News
. Imagine Islamic leaders saying they face a deadly and evil enemy bent on dominating or destroying their countries. Such tactics are shameful. The U.S. would never use fear of the enemy or religous fanaticism to justify a war. Could you imagine that?
I did notice that Fox advertised the film as a “shocking new documentary,” which it wasn’t. At least it wasn’t new. I also read that the film accuses evil Islamic extremeists of “fear mongering tactics”. Good thing we don’t have anything like that in the US gov’t going on right now. Or in Fox News
. Imagine Islamic leaders saying they face a deadly and evil enemy bent on dominating or destroying their countries. Such tactics are shameful. The U.S. would never use fear of the enemy or religous fanaticism to justify a war. Could you imagine that?
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Valke2
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btw, which part of the film discusses the impact that our actions in Iraq have had on islamic fundamentlism? How many minutes are devoted to the great strides we’ve made in Iraq against terrorism, which must be all but eradicated by now. Or the state of islamic fundamentalism as it existed in Iraq before the occupation as compared to what it is now?
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estesbob
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You know you are right. Since we attacked iraq suicide Bmombers have begun appearing in Israel, the USS cole was bombed, 7 US embassy were bombed, a marine barracks in lebanon was bombed killing over 200 marines, the World trade center had a car bomb go off in its basement, Iran took our citizens hostage and held them for over a year, OH WAIT A MINUTE-that all happened BEFORE we invaded Iraq!
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grotto
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The American people are coldly realizing that what we have tried to keep a handle on has been a frying pan - its now going in the fire! The message that this is a following of peace lovers has become clearly - NOT!
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cestusdei
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Really all you need to do was watch and listen to what they say on Arab TV. That is enough to condemn Islam. When they are teaching little kids at age 3 to blow themselves and other children up and that it’s a good thing…well what else can you say.
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pro_universal
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Let’s see…how many of those pre-invasion events were connected to Iraq?
Zero.
They weren’t even related to each other. Lumping Saudi terrorists in with Lebanese Hizbullah members is about as absurd as claiming that the Vietnam war and the Nicaragua conflict were “part of a global campaign by non-Americans to destroy America.”
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estesbob
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Exactly-thank you for making my point for me.
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inJESUS
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Valke2
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You forgot the trains in spain (that blow up mainly on the plain); The attack in London, the 800 to 1000 attacks each month in Iraq, the daily attacks in Israel, the attacks in Afghanistan…
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Valke2
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I must have missed the point. I thought we were invading Iraq as part of the war on terrorism. One of the benchmarks in determining success in such a war would, I think, be a decrease in terrorism. Our own government reports have said that since the Iraqi occupation, terrorism has increased, especially in Iraq.
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amoxoxoma
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That amounts to zero proof - a mere opinion. You have no proof to doubt his claims.
If you want to debunk the man’s claims then bring proof that they are false.
An opinion is proof of nothing.
Perhaps his criticism of the religion you are considering is what actually bothers you.
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pro_universal
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The fact that his claims are totally unverified is pretty good reason for doubt. If it weren’t, then you’d have no reason to doubt my claims about Shoebat, would you?
Here’s another claim:
No verification of Shoebat’s claims will ever appear on this thread, or in any widely available source.
If you want the proof, just read the thread and take a look at support for Shoebat’s claims…there’s none.
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Montalban
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Well if no one’s doing this and you feel you’ve a lot of time on your hands you’re more then welcome to discuss Islamic expert opinion on Islam’s view of women.
Guess I’ll be waiting too, hey?
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