Fr. Corapi = The Black Sheep Dog?

[Sailor_Kenshin]

I am getting tired of John Corapi. I am tired of his arrogance his pride. I am tired of how he is unapproachable!!! Christ is more approachable. I realize that I have put him on a pedestal and the only one to put on a pedestal is Jesus Christ. We don’t need Fr Corapi or John Corapi or whatever he wants to be called to learn our faith we need our eyes to read and read the catechism. How come so many people feel sorry for him??? What he did to the priesthood something so many men die do be and get rejected or become priests all they do to get there is reduced to an inconvenience or something that is not worthy HE SOLD OUT!!! for his Santa Cruz Media. That is how I feel. If the priesthood meant that much to him he would have given anything to keep it. I am sorry but I feel no sorrow for him and I think he is a little baby that got his little fingie hurt and is pouting. When Mr Pride becomes a priest again and renounces his pride and becomes approachable and HUMBLE!!! and stops BSing about how many miracles he has gotten ( I learned spanish in one night) yeah right. spare me, once he humbles himself and man up take his cross become the priest God chose him to be I will respect him again. Till then I will listen to other priests that love thier priesthood as a man his wife. He devorced himself from the church. Scoob

And I am getting MORE than tired of speculation, gossip, and hanging him in absentia.

What his order did was beyond strange. This whole case is beyond strange.

Father Corapi could be utterly innocent. He could be guilty of all he is accused of and more. It could be anything in between.

But tongues are wagging. This is shameful. Utterly and completely shameful and without a shred of charity. And I am also sick of people claiming to know what is in his heart or that he has shown pride WITHOUT knowing one iota of the facts.

I hope God judges you with more mercy than you are showing Father here.

 

[Bohm_Bawerk]

And I am getting MORE than tired of speculation, gossip, and hanging him in absentia.

What his order did was beyond strange. This whole case is beyond strange.

Father Corapi could be utterly innocent. He could be guilty of all he is accused of and more. It could be anything in between.

But tongues are wagging. This is shameful. Utterly and completely shameful and without a shred of charity. And I am also sick of people claiming to know what is in his heart or that he has shown pride WITHOUT knowing one iota of the facts.

I hope God judges you with more mercy than you are showing Father here.

I am also a little bit tired of Catholics lecturing Fr. Corapi on “what to do” (e.g. attach his sufferings to Christ etc), as if they themselves are the bastions of piousness. Satan attacks everyone and anyone, and is keen on bringing those in the public sphere down to nothing. What Fr. Corapi needs is prayer; not gossip, lectures, tongue-wagging or phrase-mongering.

 

[scoobydoo6v92]

And I am getting MORE than tired of speculation, gossip, and hanging him in absentia.

What his order did was beyond strange. This whole case is beyond strange.

Father Corapi could be utterly innocent. He could be guilty of all he is accused of and more. It could be anything in between.

But tongues are wagging. This is shameful. Utterly and completely shameful and without a shred of charity. And I am also sick of people claiming to know what is in his heart or that he has shown pride WITHOUT knowing one iota of the facts.

I hope God judges you with more mercy than you are showing Father here.

God judging me??? What do I have to do with it??? THE FACT IS!!! THAT I!!! was treated like shoe scum by him I received a prideful nasty email from him. People worship this guy like he is Elvis. I was one of them!!! Till he treated me personally like Black Sheep dog Doo Doo. I believe after I read some of the allegations that he didn’t want to give up his stuff the business the boats the cars the motorcycles and from how prideful he is I am sure it is possible that he did infact give in to temptation. Now I am NOT!!! judging his heart I AM JUDGING!!! HIS ACTIONS!! the fruits the tree bears. Which from what I see and the way I!!! was treated by him!! it is fairly rotten. The only thing that IS good was his message!! But he was full of baloney with all the miracles like i said learning Spanish in one night Puhlease. Gag me. Now if he would humble himself and he would fall on his knees and ask God to forgive him for spitting the most adorable loving intimate gift bestowed on a man which is the Holy Priesthood in his face. What he did was giving Jesus Christ the finger. if you want a role model which we all do, and an earthy hero look to St Padre Pio!! now he was a priest with a capital P.
Let’s just agree to dissagree on this issue lets be friends and pray for each other and not to judge me as to how I feel about PUBLIC actions. May God Bless you Scooby.

 

[guanophore]

And I am getting MORE than tired of speculation, gossip, and hanging him in absentia.

The SOLT release yesterday is hardly “speculation and gossip”. It is time to face reality.

What his order did was beyond strange. This whole case is beyond strange.

They erred in generosity with their charity. They did not compel him to comply with the constitution of the SOLT. I am sure they are regretting it now.

Father Corapi could be utterly innocent. He could be guilty of all he is accused of and more. It could be anything in between.

I don’t think anyone reading the news today could conclude that he is “utterly innocent”. His lawsuit paperwork has been published, which clearly states he was preaching for his own profit. His arrest record for DWI was published, and the SOLT found sufficient concerning evidence to find him unfit for ministry.

But tongues are wagging.   This is shameful.  Utterly and completely shameful and without a shred of charity.  And I am also sick of people claiming to know what is in his heart or that he has shown pride WITHOUT knowing one iota of the facts.

I agree that we cannot know what is in his heart, but he clearly is in need of some very serious and very strong spiritual and probably psychiatric help.

I hope God judges you with more mercy than you are showing Father here.

Father needs our prayers, as well as all those who have been injured by what he has done, and what he has failed to do.

 

[guanophore]

I am also a little bit tired of Catholics lecturing Fr. Corapi on “what to do” (e.g. attach his sufferings to Christ etc), as if they themselves are the bastions of piousness. Satan attacks everyone and anyone, and is keen on bringing those in the public sphere down to nothing. What Fr. Corapi needs is prayer; not gossip, lectures, tongue-wagging or phrase-mongering.

He does need prayer, but he also needs to join his sufferings to Christ. He needs to submit himself to God’s appointed authority, and die to his own ambitions and desires. This is what God calls all of us to do.

It is not seemly for a priest to sue a member of the flock, however errant that sheep may be. It is inappropriate for him to preach the gospel for personal gain.

Father Corapi has greately enriched my life since I discovered his show several years ago on EWTN. I looked forward to listening him every day, and was very upset over the accusations. But now it has come out that this is only the tip of an ugly iceberg. He needs some immediate spiritual direction, treatment, and healing. Pretending there is not a problem will not help him.

 

[TarkanAttila]

And I am getting MORE than tired of speculation, gossip, and hanging him in absentia.

What his order did was beyond strange. This whole case is beyond strange.

Father Corapi could be utterly innocent. He could be guilty of all he is accused of and more. It could be anything in between.

But tongues are wagging. This is shameful. Utterly and completely shameful and without a shred of charity. And I am also sick of people claiming to know what is in his heart or that he has shown pride WITHOUT knowing one iota of the facts.

I hope God judges you with more mercy than you are showing Father here.

Kenshin, my friend, whatever the state of Father Corapi’s soul, whatever the truth is about his investigation, whatever the case may be, we must pray for the man.

It saddens me that he has been accused of these things. But that only proves to us his is concupiscent. Human. He is of the flesh, like the rest of us. That is not damnable in and of itself.

But what saddens me more is that, regardless of whether the accusations are true or not, he has defrocked himself in favour of retaining his following. I am not saying he did any of this to be a con, or because he is Satanic, or any such thing. None of us are. But we are praying for Father Corapi because we fear for his soul. Something, I know not what, is turning this good man and his name black.

EDIT: We are not angry he is turning back on the very words he taught. We are mournful because of it. We don’t want to damn him; we want to hospitalise him and treat his soul ASAP.

 

[anthony022071]

Is anyone here disturbed by Fr. Corapi removing “Father” from his name and calling himself “The Black Sheep Dog”? I still think he is innocent of what he was accused of, but now I’m pretty weirded out by this whole black sheep dog thing and his devotees refering to him as BSD on forums and comments. He’s always seemed like such a great man to me–a saint in the making–but I’m wondering where is his humility and obedience right now? Does anyone else feel this way, or am I overreacting?

www.theblacksheepdog.us

Humility and obedience do not always demand submitting to unjust treatment from superiors. The saints were not always obedient or respectful to their superiors.
Father Corapi accepts his suspension from public ministry,and he tells people to love and follow the Church. In that,he is humble and obedient. But it is not necessary for him to
submit to those who will not treat him fairly.

Here is what the bishop emeritus of Corpus Christi wrote about Father Corapi.

sanctepater.com/2011/06/thoughts-on-father-corapi-by-bishop.html

< The fact that he has chosen the nom de plume of The Black Sheep Dog is revealing: he cares for the flock of sheep he has been ministering to all these years, sheep that he well knows are of the Lord’s flock, not his.
As a suspended priest he cannot function publicly as a priest, but he can continue to evangelize as long as he does not present himself to the public as a priest.

Every baptized person is given the obligation of being a witness to the truth, of being an evangelizer. In Father Corapi’s case, the obligation is all the greater in view of the gift of the sacramental priesthood he has been given. Prevented (hopefully only temporarily) from exercising that priesthood in a public manner during his suspension, he is aware of his obligation to be a witness to the truth and to continue to evangelize. He evidently intends to do so until his suspension is lifted not as Father John Corapi but as The Black Sheep Dog.

As a good sheep dog he will continue to try to protect the flock from the dangers of heresy, heterodoxy, and all other forms of untruth.

I think it is a stroke of genius that he chose the image of the sheep dog’s eyes for his blog’s masthead. I have a ranch. I have sheep. I have two wonderful sheep dogs, one a Great Pyrenees and the other an Anatolian Shepherd. I know that they are constantly on the alert for dangers threatening the sheep. They look with one eye for coyotes (we do not have wolves in South Texas) and they constantly keep one eye on the sheep. His avatar is perfect for the role he intends to perform as a shepherd. >

 

[guanophore]

It saddens me that he has been accused of these things. But that only proves to us his is concupiscent. Human. He is of the flesh, like the rest of us. That is not damnable in and of itself.

I disagree, Tarkan. Being accused of wrongdoing proves nothing about the accused. We are all concupiscent because we bear the consequence of Adam’s sin. YOu are right, this is not a sin in itself. But the activities of which he has been charged are certainly damnable in themselves, especially if one is a priest and belongs to a religious society.

Something, I know not what, is turning this good man and his name black.

Oh I think we can know them by their fruits. There is one Father of Lies that seeks to strike the shepherds so the sheep will scattter…

 

[guanophore]

Humility and obedience do not always demand submitting to unjust treatment from superiors. The saints were not always obedient or respectful to their superiors.

This is true, but it only applies when one is being directed to commit wrongdoing. No one is asking Corapi to commit wrongdoing. They are asking him to keep the promises he made when he became a priest, and joined SOLT. There is nothing immoral being imposed upon him that he need disobey.

And even those who disobeyed did so in humility and obedience to a higher authority. They did not call their superiors “oxygen thieves”.

Father Corapi accepts his suspension from public ministry,and he tells people to love and follow the Church. In that,he is humble and obedient. But it is not necessary for him to  submit to those who will not treat him fairly.

Why is it not necessary for him to submit? Why is he not able to trust God for the verdict? What if he was being treated unfairly? Was not Jesus treated the same way? How about all those talks where he said “don’t run from the cross”?

Here is what the bishop emeritus of Corpus Christi wrote about Father Corapi.

sanctepater.com/2011/06/thoughts-on-father-corapi-by-bishop.html

< The fact that he has chosen the nom de plume of The Black Sheep Dog is revealing: he cares for the flock of sheep he has been ministering to all these years, sheep that he well knows are of the Lord’s flock, not his.
As a suspended priest he cannot function publicly as a priest, but he can continue to evangelize as long as he does not present himself to the public as a priest.

A sheepdog has no job without a shepherd.

Every baptized person is given the obligation of being a witness to the truth, of being an evangelizer. In Father Corapi’s case, the obligation is all the greater in view of the gift of the sacramental priesthood he has been given. Prevented (hopefully only temporarily) from exercising that priesthood in a public manner during his suspension, he is aware of his obligation to be a witness to the truth and to continue to evangelize. He evidently intends to do so until his suspension is lifted not as Father John Corapi but as The Black Sheep Dog.

I thought this too, at first. But because he has effectively stalled the investigation by filing a lawsuit against his accuser, and signed non-disclosure agreements with others who have knowledge of the facts, and then resigned from SOLT and the priestly duties, the investigation can never clear him. As a result, he is not allowed to “evangelize” on behalf of the Church.

If you read the lawsuit he filed, it is clear that he is basing his claim on the “fact” that everything depends upon his reputation as a priest. This is a true statement. Now that he has left this behind, he has lost the power under which he was ministering. Very little of anything he has to say will be of value.

As a good sheep dog he will continue to try to protect the flock from the dangers of heresy, heterodoxy, and all other forms of untruth.

A good sheepdog follows direction from the shepherd of the flock. Sheepdogs that try to work the sheep on their own are taken out of service.

I think it is a stroke of genius that he chose the image of the sheep dog’s eyes for his blog’s masthead. I have a ranch. I have sheep. I have two wonderful sheep dogs, one a Great Pyrenees and the other an Anatolian Shepherd. I know that they are constantly on the alert for dangers threatening the sheep. They look with one eye for coyotes (we do not have wolves in South Texas) and they constantly keep one eye on the sheep. His avatar is perfect for the role he intends to perform as a shepherd. >

It would be, if he had not abandoned the faculties that allowed him that privilege. But, he no longer has any role as a shepherd, or a valid sheepdog. He is rogue.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Again, what SOLT did in making public ‘facts’ about the allegations strikes me as just plain bizarre.

Father could be innocent. He could be guilty. But SOLT’s actions in making public ‘he said, she said’ are distasteful, to say the least.

We do not know the truth. We will probably not know the truth for years, if ever.

 

[guanophore]

Again, what SOLT did in making public ‘facts’ about the allegations strikes me as just plain bizarre.

Father could be innocent. He could be guilty. But SOLT’s actions in making public ‘he said, she said’ are distasteful, to say the least.

We do not know the truth. We will probably not know the truth for years, if ever.

You are mistaken Sailor. SOLT has other sources besides the initial letter. SOLT did not publish “allegations”, but facts that were established by their team of investigators.

 

[Edward_H]

I saw a sad video of him with biker clothes. Had dyed his beard. He looked vain. He needs prayers.

In fact, he seems sort of empty.

What’s going to be even sadder is when the money runs out.

 

[scoobydoo6v92]

I saw a sad video of him with biker clothes. Had dyed his beard. He looked vain. He needs prayers.

In fact, he seems sort of empty.

What’s going to be even sadder is when the money runs out.

As much money as he has, do you think he will ever run out??

 

[Edward_H]

As much money as he has, do you think he will ever run out??

An unyoked person can blow through money like there’s no tomorrow.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

You are mistaken Sailor. SOLT has other sources besides the initial letter. SOLT did not publish “allegations”, but facts that were established by their team of investigators.

No. It is still a ‘he said-she said’ and very shocking that they would release ANYTHING.

If this was a court of law, the case would be thrown out. Yes, people are going to say ‘But it’s the Church, not a court of law.’

Once upon a time, people would falsely confess to being ‘witches’ in order to be tried by the more just and lenient Catholic courts. Now today the reverse seems to hold sway: a true witch hunt conducted by a church that has strayed so far in the opposite direction that I am shaking my head.

I do not claim that SOLT’s allegations are untrue. I do not claim they are. The whole affair just seems wrong, off, too strange to categorize.

PS: May God judge you with more mercy and charity than those who claim to know another’s heart.

 

[plato3]

I saw a sad video of him with biker clothes. Had dyed his beard. He looked vain. He needs prayers.

In fact, he seems sort of empty.

What’s going to be even sadder is when the money runs out.

When the messenger becomes bigger than the message, there is trouble.

 

[retrovert]

I’m afraid this type of thing happens when you don’t remain grounded with the community you’re in. As I understand it, he was living in the woods by himself somewhere in Montana.
Also, It really bothers me that he spoke ill of his superiors. I’m reminded how Padre Pio screamed in retort when he heard someone defaming his bishop even though Pio was being unduly persecuted.
If Corapi is innocent and he had remained in submission to his order, I’m sure this whole situation would have righted itself.
As it is, now he is only becoming known as the “B.S.Dog”.

 

[TarkanAttila]

No. It is still a ‘he said-she said’ and very shocking that they would release ANYTHING.

If this was a court of law, the case would be thrown out. Yes, people are going to say ‘But it’s the Church, not a court of law.’

Once upon a time, people would falsely confess to being ‘witches’ in order to be tried by the more just and lenient Catholic courts. Now today the reverse seems to hold sway: a true witch hunt conducted by a church that has strayed so far in the opposite direction that I am shaking my head.

I do not claim that SOLT’s allegations are untrue. I do not claim they are. The whole affair just seems wrong, off, too strange to categorize.

PS: May God judge you with more mercy and charity than those who claim to know another’s heart.

We wish you were right Kenshin, and we really, really hope you are.

But we don’t know any more than what we know, and what little SOLT knows and the even less we know seems to point against Fr. Corapi.

It does not by ANY means make him a bad man. His teaching is sound and in line with the Church. God bless him for being an honest teacher. But where there is sin, there must be recognition and reconciliation. It’s like finding out if a kid is dirty, and giving him a bath, not like punishing a kid for doing something bad.

 

[kristleful]

If anyone here is interested, there is a rosary for Fr. Corapi going on in the prayer intentions thread. You can just swing by from time to time and add a Hail Mary to keep the rosary going.

Here is the link:
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=579813

 

[Ken_Follis]

Did he make a vow of poverty? He says he did even after the SOLT 1994 constitutional changes. Fr. Corapi: “I’m a religious with a vow of poverty, and the richest man in the world,” he said. “I exchanged what seems to be everything for nothing, and ended up losing nothing and getting everything. It was a pretty good exchange.” (Syracuse Herald-Journal, Friday, Dec. 2,1994, pg. E5 “Road to Priesthood detoured in Hollywood”.)