Fr. Dissenter's sermon turns stomach just before communion

[Matrix_Refugee]

I probably would have thrown a missalette at him, then a shoe, umbrella, … right before they tossed me out on the “w”'s of my wranglers.
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Sounds like something I’d do! I’d also be trying to find a way to sprinkle some of blessed salt (commonly used in exorcisms) on the priest after Mass, to see if he’s possessed or not.

 

[Catholic_Dude]

Chelalu:

Today, Wednesday, I attended Mass at a downtown church, where I am not familiar with the priests. Although I have learned to overlook unauthoized “tweakings” of the liturgy that pop up in different ways in different places, I found it much more difficult to sit still during the long homily this priest gave in which he berated the heirarchy, our new pope, as authoritarian, demonstrated, he said, by the “forced” resignation of Tom Reese, S.J., the editor of the Jesuit magazine “America.” He also denounced the Church’s opposition to gay unions (though he said he wouldn’t necessarily insist these need to be called marriage.), euthanasia, and abortion and the Church’s efforts to pressure Catholic polititians with unCatholic positions. I have never thus far heard so much poison come out of the mouth of a Catholic priest, and never from the pulpit.
My stomach was churning. I prayed Hail Mary’s over and over as he spoke, and when several people ahead of me got up and walked out, I was so tempted to join them – I have done that before, but it has been suggested to me that that action disrespects Our Lord. I stayed, reasoning that I had come to receive Jesus and it didn’t matter if the vehicle were the worst priest alvie…
I don’t doubt this matter has come up far too often on the forum, but I was overwhelmed by the prospect of searching for the like sitiation so that I might better cope with this when it happens again. Help! This eats me up inside. I approach communion with my innards bathed in the acid of anger.

And yes, I have thought about contacting the archdiocese, but that always feels like spitting into the wind (sigh).

If I had to guess I would say it had something to do with the daily Liturgical Readings. This week the first reading has all been from Sirach, so the reading was probably related to some kind of wisdom, temtation or hope or some specific bit of advice and the priest was just testing the faithful.

 

[Lux_et_veritas]

trailblazer:

Here is something I just found in the “Ask an Apologist” section:

May 16, 2005, 03:19 PM
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http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon1.gif Re: How do I go about questioning my diocese’s liturgical abuses?
Generally speaking, when addressing liturgical abuses one should work one’s way up the chain of command: the pastor, the bishop, the USCCB, the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, the Pope.

For more information on how to address liturgical abuses in your diocese, I recommend contacting Adoremus (an apostolate especially dedicated to genuine reform of the liturgy) and the St. Joseph Foundation (an apostolate that assists Catholics in asserting their rights within the Church).

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"The devil fears hearts on fire with love of God." --St. Catherine of Siena

This is the route I would take. “Be not afraid”. To some degree I believe we have an obligation and duty to report such things, first by confronting the priest and making it known that what he said was unacceptable.

You might try with this:

“Father, do you trust the Holy Spirit?”

He is likely to say “yes”.

At which time, you respond? “Trust in the Holy Spirit without obedience to the Papacy and the Magisterium is a clanging cymbal. In fact, it is a gong. I believe you are in serious error in speaking against the teachings of the Catholic Church, especially during such a sacred event. I feel a deep sense of obligation to report this to the local bishop, and to take it to the top, if necessary”.

He may have a few words for you and that is ok, but at that point you have fulfilled the hardest part of your obligation and that is to confront the individual who is in error. It does not matter that he is a priest and it is all the more important.

Pray to the Holy Spirit for fortitude in pursuing this. When a priest stands up during mass saying the things this one does, to me, it is a deep sin against the Holy Spirit as it is a statement that he does not trust Him.

Unfortunately people block the voice of God in their hearts and the only voice they hear is their own.

 

[STIOFAN]

I feel for you, I hear that stuff here as well, that priest needs to be reported to a higher authority.

 

[Fergal]

Chelalu:

Today, Wednesday, I attended Mass at a downtown church, where I am not familiar with the priests. Although I have learned to overlook unauthoized “tweakings” of the liturgy that pop up in different ways in different places, I found it much more difficult to sit still during the long homily this priest gave in which he berated the heirarchy, our new pope, as authoritarian, demonstrated, he said, by the “forced” resignation of Tom Reese, S.J., the editor of the Jesuit magazine “America.” He also denounced the Church’s opposition to gay unions (though he said he wouldn’t necessarily insist these need to be called marriage.), euthanasia, and abortion and the Church’s efforts to pressure Catholic polititians with unCatholic positions. I have never thus far heard so much poison come out of the mouth of a Catholic priest, and never from the pulpit.
My stomach was churning. I prayed Hail Mary’s over and over as he spoke, and when several people ahead of me got up and walked out, I was so tempted to join them – I have done that before, but it has been suggested to me that that action disrespects Our Lord. I stayed, reasoning that I had come to receive Jesus and it didn’t matter if the vehicle were the worst priest alvie…
I don’t doubt this matter has come up far too often on the forum, but I was overwhelmed by the prospect of searching for the like sitiation so that I might better cope with this when it happens again. Help! This eats me up inside. I approach communion with my innards bathed in the acid of anger.

And yes, I have thought about contacting the archdiocese, but that always feels like spitting into the wind (sigh).

Go directly to Rome my friend. The Pulpit is not a place for personal opinion or open contradiction of Church teachings. He has seriously abused his position and it needs to be stopped.

In loving remembrance of our Late Holy Father, Pope John Paul II “Be not Afraid” You are walking on the side of truth.

DEFEND IT!

 

[AuntMartha]

Hi,

I agree, you need to write sme letters now. Write a letter to Francis Cardinal George about this. I think he has dealt with this sort of issue in Chicago before. Let him know about the liturigical abuses too.

It may seem like your effort will not bear fruit, but I think over time, with enough letters, things will change. I think people have just let things slide too long.

By the way, can you either say here or tell me in a pivate message - which church was it? I have often contemplated going to a Mass downtown, and I’d like to avoid that church!

 

[AuntMartha]

BTW, here is a very well-written statement by Francis Cardinal George on the whole “gay marriage” issue:

archdiocese-chgo.org/cardinal/statement/stat_04/cardinal_stat_021304.shtm

 

[Detroit_Sue]

My husband’s pastor proclaimed that the Church is finally going in the right direction to ordain women during a homily a couple of weeks ago. After I nearly threw up, I explained to my husband that this is why I cannot worship at his assignment.

Asking him to change assignments is out of the question. There are 3,100 families for this priest, and my DH is the lone voice of orthodoxy there. He has a small, but vibrant group of people for whom he facilitates devotions, novenas and the like.

 

[m134e5]

Detroit Sue:

My husband’s pastor proclaimed that the Church is finally going in the right direction to ordain women during a homily a couple of weeks ago. After I nearly threw up, I explained to my husband that this is why I cannot worship at his assignment.

and where did this priest, who is obviously so privilidged to have access to this information we do not have, get his information?

Lord, please send us more holy, faithful priests…

 

[catholicanarchy]

Matrix Refugee:

Sounds like something I’d do! I’d also be trying to find a way to sprinkle some of blessed salt (commonly used in exorcisms) on the priest after Mass, to see if he’s possessed or not.

You’ve got to be kidding me.

 

[Michael_C]

Are you sure you weren’t in NY? We have a preist that is just as confused. It really bothered me that I would have debates in the sacristy after Mass about basic Catholic teachings. According to this priest everything is the Bishops/Popes/Churches fault. Over time I found out that most of the people of the parish recognize this nonsense and aren’t fooled. Trust in the Holy spirit that people can see and hear the truth. If it continues you’ll have to confront the pastor about this.

 

[ReConverted]

Just another example of how these people are in abject panic.

My advice…sit back and enjoy them scurrying for cover like cockroaches who have light shined on them.

Hopefully, the big red shoe will come down before they can reach cover. Squish. :bounce:

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