Fr. Groeschel compared illegal immigrants to slaves

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as in that is how America is treating "undocumented’ workers as he so politically correctly preached on his show today.

What a joke. The illegals are all innocent this priest said on his 06/29 program at 4PM EST. America is the guilty party here.

I have a friend whose niece was killed in a gang cross fire - illegal immigrants composing that gang. But Groeschel says its all goodness and light. Just poor folks looking for a job. Yeah right.

I find Groeschell’s comments today outrageous. Like he does not have a clue.

I have contributed to my new local Catholic radio station but I am e-mailing them. If they don’t drop Groeschel I will cease my contributions. I’ve heard a few of these kind of things on EWTN which I found troubling. But today was off the wall.

I don’t need to be preached down to and lied to - IMO that is what Groeschel did today. He is not a stupid man and he must know the “rest of the story”. But he chooses not to sahre it. Gee, i wonder why? I won’t go there.

Absolutely outrageous - unless you believe it is all America’s fault.

How condescening and popmpous of this man!!
 
Generally speaking, Fr. Benedict Groeschel is very wise and very conservative. On the issue of illegal immigration, some of us have a tendency to be a little hostile and intolerant. I understand what the law states, and I understand that what many Mexicans are doing is illegal. I would imagine that Fr. Benedict was trying to point out that immense poverty that many Mexicans endure, so that we might be able to better understand their motives for coming here illegally.

There is immense poverty. You do realize that, right? Mexico is a third-world country. We are called to love our neighbor as ourselves, and that doesn’t just mean other Americans. I’m not advocating wide open borders and free health care for all. I’m not saying that what is going on with our immigration system is anything other than a mess. What I’m saying, and what I imagine Fr. Benedict was saying, is that while we’re working to make the immigration system fair to Americans and humane to Mexicans, we should love and understand our fellow Christians – including the Mexican ones.

While the loss of your friend’s niece is a tragedy, I don’t think it’s fair to paint all Mexicans with the same brush. They are a people of great faith, and the vast majority of them are not gang members or criminals.

Can’t we simultaneously welcome them, while we look for a solution to make sure that they are documented and they pay a fair amount toward the services that they receive?
 
He also denies the Church’s perpetual dogma of “Outside the Church is No Salvation”…he wrote that he never did believe it, even before Vatican II. I’m not a big fan of Fr. Groeschel.
 
i read a similar article in today’s OSV. they said, just remember we all have an immigrant in our back ground somewhere. how insulting to treat the ellis island immigrants the same as the illegals. the ellis island immigrants were all documented (yes there were a few stow-aways, just like there are a few legal mexican immigrants today)

and the immigrants of the last century were also in immense poverty. they came here with nothing but the american dream. so nothing of this “give the poor immigrants a break” flies. they are entering illegal. period.

they need to enter thru the proper gateways or be deported.
 
I like Fr Groeschel …I did hear what he said on his show but thought I must have heard wrong…guess not. Well, he is entitled to his opinion…plus I don’t think he was looking at ii (immigration) as a whole.

I still like his show…and wouldn’t call for show to be cut out of EWTN…
 
Father Groeschel is a very holy man but he is only a man. All men make mistakes, we should not discount everything he stands for just because we think he has erred on this matter. Instead, pray for him to have his eyes opened.

He may be trying to support, misguidedly I believe, Pope John Paul II’s statement to the Mexican citizens to take their heritage (specifically that of “Our Lady of Guadalupe”) to other countries. Millions of Mexicans converted to Catholicism within a short time after this apparition. So the Mexican people have a very strong message they can share.

However… In my honest opinion, I believe Pope John Paul II meant to legally spread the message, through legal immigration to other countries. Since he followed the letter of the law, I believe he would understand legal immigration as “giving unto Caesar what is Caesar’s”. Since there is a legal way of getting into this country I’m sure he would endorse that method.

I welcome anyone who wants to come to this country for the right reasons and in the right way. Just as it is uncharitable to let someone continue in a sin that could lead them to Hell, I find helping and encouraging illegal aliens to remain here, just that. Will you be willing to face Jesus on judgement day and explain how you let these people believe it was okay to break laws?

Instead of the Catholic Church sheltering illegals to help them stay here illegally (such as having Spanish masses), we should be helping them understand the error of their ways, encourage them to return to Mexico. We could offer to sponsor them once they return so they can begin the legal steps to return.

And encourage them to adopt their new country. I believe most come here illegally to make a lot of money, then return home where they would be considered rich. There are also plenty of undesireables coming across the border who rape, steal and murder.

We have been having a rash of crimes in Charlotte, NC attributed to illegal Mexicans. Most have been drinking and driving (on the wrong side of the interstate, killing whole families at once) raping and murdering, breaking into homes and businesses, stealing cars, etc. Just this past Friday in South Carolina a 17 year old was killed while riding his dirt bike, by a hit and run driver. Later he was caught, he was an illegal Mexican. Although it seems the boy may have been at fault, the driver didn’t want to stop most likely because he was illegal and didn’t want to get deported.

Could the boy have lived if the driver had stopped and called 911 immediately, or assisted in some way? We will never know.

Sorry to go on so long. As you can tell, this is a pet peeve.
 
I guess Fr. Groeschel is ignoring the Mara Salvatrucha 13

MS-13
 
We must not forget that Fr Groeschel is also a certified psychologist, and a good one at that. maybe he sees things we don’t.
 
One point to make. Not all Illegals are Mexicans. I’ve known a handful of illegals from Europe. While it’s true, most are from Mexico, Central and Latin America, I hate that it’s assumed they are all from Mexico.

I didn’t hear what Fr. Grosechel heard, but for the most part, I’ve liked what he’s had to say about other subjects. He seems to be a well-versed, wise man. In fact, he reminds me a little of one of the priests at my parish, though I suspect they wouldn’t agree on everything.

I still haven’t figured out my opinion on illegal immigration. But as fellow human beings, they should be treated compassionately. If they commit crimes, they should have to pay the penalties for that, no doubt about that. I live in a border state, we have our fair share of illegals coming here looking for work etc. They contribute to the local economy, pay taxes in one way or another, I see them at Mass and they are trying to make a better life for themselves. Yes, they should be doing it legally. Something needs to be done, but the point in rounding them up and deporting them is impractical, besides, I think that’s an impossible feat.

Of course, in another pendulum’s throw, there will be a whole other group of immigrants who are despised and as distrusted as the (mostly) Mexican Illegals and Legals.

You know, thinking about it, the common thread to all the immigrant groups that have been traditionally despised in this country’s history is that most were Catholic.

Sorry for the thread drift. Just an observation. Now I must go walk my dogs.
 
rien said:
as in that is how America is treating "undocumented’ workers as he so politically correctly preached on his show today.

What a joke. The illegals are all innocent this priest said on his 06/29 program at 4PM EST. America is the guilty party here.

I have a friend whose niece was killed in a gang cross fire - illegal immigrants composing that gang. But Groeschel says its all goodness and light. Just poor folks looking for a job. Yeah right.

I find Groeschell’s comments today outrageous. Like he does not have a clue.

I have contributed to my new local Catholic radio station but I am e-mailing them. If they don’t drop Groeschel I will cease my contributions. I’ve heard a few of these kind of things on EWTN which I found troubling. But today was off the wall.

I don’t need to be preached down to and lied to - IMO that is what Groeschel did today. He is not a stupid man and he must know the “rest of the story”. But he chooses not to sahre it. Gee, i wonder why? I won’t go there.

Absolutely outrageous - unless you believe it is all America’s fault.

How condescening and popmpous of this man!!
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Illegal immigration is the biggest non-issue currently.

It is easy enough to tell who might be an illegal immigrant and who might not.

There are plenty of Americans, many of whom are naturalized citizens from Mexico and Latin America, making plenty of money by underpaying illegal immigrants.

And what we have here is the lower (working) class blaming the illegals for keeping wages low.

Fr. Greoschel is telling the inconvenient truth!!!
 
aimee said:
I like Fr Groeschel …I did hear what he said on his show but thought I must have heard wrong…guess not. Well, he is entitled to his opinion…plus I don’t think he was looking at ii (immigration) as a whole.

I still like his show…and wouldn’t call for show to be cut out of EWTN…
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I also heard those comments of Fr Groschel’s, and I don’t think he was speaking of literally all illegal immigrants, he was rather trying to clear up the irrational level of fear and loathing that some people have towards them, of which the majority are undeserving.

And pointing out a few things such as that many of them DO pay taxes (and I know here in Australia taxes are automatically taken out of each paycheck by your employer, legal or illegal immigrant or citizen) without even the possibility of receiving most of the services (funded by those taxes) that most taxpayers do.
 
I never have liked that priest. :nope:
There are a handfull of those immigrants that are scincere but the rest just want to cause trouble. And then there are those who cause trouble because that’s what they were taught as children.
 
sorry I am w/Fr. G on this one. Our immigration laws have their origin in the the same late 19th early 20th c. mentality that fostered Margaret Sanger, social darwinism, sterilization of the unfit, and ultimately, national socialism. Their purpose was to keep out anyone who was not WASP. read the debates in the legislatures and in the press heralding their passage. the immigration laws are a product of the same thinking that gave is Jim Crow and segregation de jure and de facto.

Just as the injustices experienced by the descendents of slaves and descendents of native Americans have their roots in slavery and the shameful treatment of the only Americans who were never immigrants, injustice perpetrated on person who do not match a preconceived notion of the proper skin tone or proper language have their roots in the same intellectual rot that justified these evils. The same mentality that enforced white supremacy even after the abolition of slavery enforced 100 years ago quotas on immigration of “lesser” races and ethnicities.

You can’t rewrite history when your notion of PC changes, nor when your perception of justice changes.

The Rio Grande Valley population is at least 80% Hispanic, mostly of Mexican origin–and most of them have resided here since before the US illegally annexed the land south of the Nueces in the aftermath of the blatantly racist Mexican War. (and I could be shot for saying it in this state). We also host a large population of immigrants who come for a few months a year, and most of them do not work. They are Winter Texans from Canada, and they face no difficulties at the border, I wonder why? Some of them don’t even speak English as their first language, but French, yet nobody sends the border patrol to chase them. hmmmm

In the news this month was story about a meat packing plant being raided by immigration officials who rounded up illegals. They were deported, breaking up families and leaving children without parents, which the Catholic social services of the Dioceses reacted to as a major emergency. Were any officials of the company disciplined, dragged away from their families in handcuffs and incarcerated? No, even though they broke the law. Hmmm, wonder why that is.

the overwhelming majority of persons residing in this country who have Hispanic surnames, or who speak Spanish are legal, my dears, and a large proportion are native born. the viciousness and ignorance directed in posts on this and other threads on immigration against Hispanics is unchristian and IMO matter for confession. “the reason they have Spanish Masses is because the Church coddles illegal immigrants” what rot. what utter rot. I will not even comment on the post immediately above mine, because I would probably choke on my own vomit.
 
SacredHeartFan said:
I never have liked that priest. :nope:
There are a handfull of those immigrants that are scincere but the rest just want to cause trouble. And then there are those who cause trouble because that’s what they were taught as children.
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Thats too bad as Fr speaks very highly of you:rolleyes:

Now to the immigrants…surely you jest…senor’ sacred
" A handful are sincere but the rest just want to cause trouble" I didn’t hear Fr Groeshel’s show but I think I could agree more with what he is purported to have said than what you just wrote. Lets get down to earth here…I don’t like our open borders either but Fr Groeshel is a priest of the Holy Church and is supposed to be charitable…you know like Jesus…not some vote grubbing say anything but do nothing politician:shrug:
 
rien said:
as in that is how America is treating "undocumented’ workers as he so politically correctly preached on his show today.

What a joke. The illegals are all innocent this priest said on his 06/29 program at 4PM EST. America is the guilty party here.

I have a friend whose niece was killed in a gang cross fire - illegal immigrants composing that gang. But Groeschel says its all goodness and light. Just poor folks looking for a job. Yeah right.

I find Groeschell’s comments today outrageous. Like he does not have a clue.

I have contributed to my new local Catholic radio station but I am e-mailing them. If they don’t drop Groeschel I will cease my contributions. I’ve heard a few of these kind of things on EWTN which I found troubling. But today was off the wall.

I don’t need to be preached down to and lied to - IMO that is what Groeschel did today. He is not a stupid man and he must know the “rest of the story”. But he chooses not to sahre it. Gee, i wonder why? I won’t go there.

Absolutely outrageous - unless you believe it is all America’s fault.

How condescening and popmpous of this man!!
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I am sorry to hear about your friend’s niece.

You must realize there is a difference between immigrants and drug runners and even then a drug runner can be a slave to a cartel.

This country was built on immigration. It seems now some want to close the doors of opportunity for worldly reasons.

I support Fr. Groeschel and EWTN.

May the peace of the Lord be with you,
Prodigal Son1
 
Fr, Groeschel is a good and holy priest. He is also a very brave one. One who has been arrested for his prolife activism while protesting in front of an abortuary.

It does take courage for him to speak up on behalf of the poor, the downtrodden, the helpless, and the outcasts. Courage to hunger for justice.

He’s my hero!

Here’s a link to video of Fr. Groeschel talking about immigration.
 
Well, he’s right.

Since they are illegal, they have little in the way of rights or the ability to appeal for justice. They may live in a certain semblance of fear of the authorities, even. Shoot, they might live in fear of the people who could and would genuinely help them. And they have to gratefully take whatever scraps off the table they can get while others take full advantage of the fact that they can treat them terribly and underpay for their services, while the better off profit from their labor and look down upon them.

Yes, too often, they are treated like slaves.
 
I’m not familiar with the priest, but I find it ridiculous to write off an otherwise solid and wise man because you disagree with him on one issue.

Reasonable, intelligent people can disagree on the topic of immigration. There are actually sound arguments supporting both sides of the immigration debate.

I think the OP should develop more tolerance for people with whom he doesn’t 100% agree with.
 
Fr. Groeschel is an amazing priest. One of the wisest men I have ever been blessed to be able to hear. Peace be upon him.
 
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