Fr. Jeffery Fasching Finds Renewal In The Traditional Latin Mass

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i am not a priest, but i look at the latin mass as an inspiration myself. no offense meant but it seems that the younger generation as a whole seems to have stronger faith, more love for God, and more respect for His church and traditions than the older baby-boomer generation does.
 
We need to remember that the “Boomers” were the teenagers during the cultural revolution of the 60’s - 70’s. They are now the old duffers in the church. The “pre-boomers” such as myself are dying off fast. I was born in 1940 and can remember my Catholic friends going to Mass, what we now call the EF Mass. I was so intrigued by what they told me that I eventually became Catholic (1970). What a disappointing first 40+ years.

I can fully understand how a person would find refreshment in the old Mass. I know I do.
 
i am not a priest, but i look at the latin mass as an inspiration myself. no offense meant but it seems that the younger generation as a whole seems to have stronger faith, more love for God, and more respect for His church and traditions than the older baby-boomer generation does.
I agree. But we are also just as easily swayed into meaningless experimentation and liturgical confusion as our elders, but it’s pulled a lot more subtly on us - seen it happen.
 
There is a great article on The Catholic Knight blog about a young Missouri priest who found spiritual renewal in the Traditional Latin Mass…
catholicknight.blogspot.com/2010/05/missouri-priest-discovers-renewal-in.html

It’s been my experience that younger priests are more open to tradition than older priests. Has this been your experience too? What do you suppose is the reason why?
I’ve encountered many “younger priests” as you call them who are attracted to certain parts of the Catholic tradition over others, yes. But that does not make them more “traditional” than any other Catholics (whether ordained or lay).
 
I agree. But we are also just as easily swayed into meaningless experimentation and liturgical confusion as our elders, but it’s pulled a lot more subtly on us - seen it happen.
indeed, but look what we have to learn from. we have a renewal coming, but we need to learn more, i suspect that the generation we give birth to will be alot more faithful than us. and then the generation they give birth to will–God-willing–be alot better than them.
 
indeed, but look what we have to learn from. we have a renewal coming, but we need to learn more, i suspect that the generation we give birth to will be alot more faithful than us. and then the generation they give birth to will–God-willing–be alot better than them.
That’s wonderful to think about 🙂 Let’s pray that it happens!!
 
UNFORTUNATELY this priest has a sexual perversion background and is not good for Tradition. Google his name and you will find entries regarding his past. This man has done horrible things and is responsible, according to the Topix entry, and confirmed by a good source, to have broken up a marriage.
 
UNFORTUNATELY this priest has a sexual perversion background and is not good for Tradition. Google his name and you will find entries regarding his past. This man has done horrible things and is responsible, according to the Topix entry, and confirmed by a good source, to have broken up a marriage.
That’s a very serious accusation to make against anyone, much less a priest, based on a random blog post, and an unofficial web-site.

In my quick googling all I found is one woman’s blog (Peggy Warren) and links to an anonymous post by an alleged husband. No news stories, nothing official from the diocese.

It’s hard to believe that given the scrutiny the press has given to these sort of issues, there wouldn’t be ample news coverage of such a thing.

If you don’t have personal direct knowledge, I would remove my post, lest you commit serious sins of calumny and detraction.

God Bless
 
Ok I will clear up the former posters inability to find concrete info. First let me say that as a victim of a priest who abused myself, these things never make it to the news. Unless the victim decides to go to the press, all abuse is handled by the seating bishop and the canon lawyers. Most of the time the priest is sent for counseling and reassigned somewhere else in the diocese. This is why they are allowed to be repeat offenders. Only if there is a crime committed are the authorities brought in. Meaning usually with a child. 90% of priest abuse is with women. So the victim must be victimized again if they decide to go public. Usually they pay the victims off and settle out of court. You have no idea the abuse that is happening.
I have had a personal conversation with the man who had his marriage destroyed by Fr. Fasching while he had a lengthy affair with his wife. The details are horrible and this was not the only affair. Granted there are alot of crazy people on the internet but also people trying to warn you of danger.
 
Last poster said it perfectly. He is a known abuser and all who harbour him and cover up for him are just as guilty as he is!!!
 
There is a great article on The Catholic Knight blog about a young Missouri priest who found spiritual renewal in the Traditional Latin Mass…
catholicknight.blogspot.com/2010/05/missouri-priest-discovers-renewal-in.html

It’s been my experience that younger priests are more open to tradition than older priests. Has this been your experience too? What do you suppose is the reason why?
One needs to go back in time and see what was happening.

When were these “older” priests ordained? Some were ordained right about the time of the end of Vatican 2 (which puts them into their late 60’s), and they were being ordained into a group of priests who had been ordained in the 1950’s, 40’s and 30’s.

As was the custom more then than now (due to more priests and a generally smaller population) priests were not high-lined in pastorships immediately - they might do 5 or 10 years serving under one or more pastors before they were given a parish.

And so the group ordained in the mid 60’s was trained by priests who had been around during the time of supression, or were in turn trained by those who were ordained during the time of supression. And I don’t mean Loisy; I am speaking of the theologians who were silenced and supressed and later “rehabilitated” by the Church. For not a short period of time Rome gave the impression of being under seige - and not without reason. However, taking a rigid stance can be seen retrospecitivley as doing perhaps as much if not more damage than that which was being defended against.

What do I mean? We had the Oath Against Modernism, and anyone who has paid a lick of attention should by now know that wasn’t even worth the price of the paper it was written on. In attempting to deal with Modernism, anyone and everyone was subject to suspicion if they did anything besides recite old formulas. Thus we had two camps building - those who took the direction of Modernism for whatever reasons - intellectual pride, contrariness, excitement at the “new”; and those who were, if not embittered by the perception of autocratic excercise of authority, certainly ended up with a suspicion that truth had been too long surpressed, and tended to reject whatever appeared to be the status quo.

Coupled with this particularly with those ordained before Vatican 2, the priests were faced with a clear split within congregations. A priest who was 37 when Vatican 2 finished had a congregation that birth-wise stretched back to the late 1800’s. Until after World War 2, people did not mostly go on to college; they mostly did not go on. That meant that the pastor was faced with a significant part of a congregation that at best might have had 8 years of Balitmore Catechism; most likely they had never cracked open their family bible and actually read anything; they had little or no training in any matters theological. When they went to Mass, there were no responses by the congregation - the altar boys said that. Many had no missals, as missals were relatively new and not a whole lot of priests were on fire encouraging their parishoners to buy one. People sat in Mass doing private devotions and because of the fast from Midnight, many did not go to Communion, particularly at later Masses. People knew more about Lourdes and Fatima than they did about the New Testament.

Rightly or wrongly, many priests saw their parishoners more involved with devotional activities and more animated by them than they did the Mass (e.g. Mother of Perpetual Help Devotion).

It doesn’t take too much of that scenario before one starts identifying the problems of receiving the message with the medium with which it is delivered. Not that that is a correct assumption, but one all too easily made.

Was everything just like that? Of course not, any more than today (where, for example, a small minority blames the problems in the Church on Vatican 2 documents). But it is all too easy to slip into such a mindset.

There were priests who were known for how quickly they could say Mass; and that was seen as a plus by all too many people who understood Mass as an “obligation” to be endured, rather than as the sum and summit of our faith. People who seek out the EF now do so because they are seeking a very reverent Mass. In the 50’s and early 60’s some Masses were very reverent; some were reverent; some were hurried. My own pastor could do a Solemn high Mass with all the pomp and circumstance one could want. He also could set speed records for the 6:30 am weekday Mass; we joked that he could say Latin breathing in as well as breathing out.

The short of it was that pressure from a number of areas had been building. And human nature being what it is, teh presumption that the message was not getting across was layed, correctly or not, with the medium. And when it is decided the mdeium is the fault, then the medium will be rejected, whether that decision is ocrrect or not.
 
Catholics now don’t get anything like the Baltimore Cathecism in terms of religious education. I wonder how many have actually sat down to read the New Testament or own a missal, still. They happily go to Communion without going to Confession. The old devotions are largely gone, I understand. I’ve read the Novus Ordo Mass, if not said soley by the priest as in the old rite, could be done in 10 minutes.

Saw priests hearing confessions face-to-face of young pre-confirmation(?) boys in the sanctuary of a church nearby recently. With an empty confessional or two, nearby. An improvement?

I think one of the premises of the post Vat. II mentality is that we’re better educated and thus qualified to make swingeing changes to our religious practices. I have a notion that instead we’re making some very old mistakes all over again which were weeded out a long time ago, because of the problems they caused e.g. face-to-face confession.
 
Sorry, meant to say that I read that the OF/NO Mass could be said in 10 mins by a priest with the servers giving the responses, as in the old rite.
 
Catholics now don’t get anything like the Baltimore Cathecism in terms of religious education. I wonder how many have actually sat down to read the New Testament or own a missal, still. They happily go to Communion without going to Confession. The old devotions are largely gone, I understand. I’ve read the Novus Ordo Mass, if not said soley by the priest as in the old rite, could be done in 10 minutes.

Saw priests hearing confessions face-to-face of young pre-confirmation(?) boys in the sanctuary of a church nearby recently. With an empty confessional or two, nearby. An improvement?

I think one of the premises of the post Vat. II mentality is that we’re better educated and thus qualified to make swingeing changes to our religious practices. I have a notion that instead we’re making some very old mistakes all over again which were weeded out a long time ago, because of the problems they caused e.g. face-to-face confession.
When my dad was in World War 2, face to face confessions were SOP in the battlefield. Given that the priest is required to provide an opportunity for a “screened” confession, in most circumstances people have the alternative (and no clue as to what all may or may not have been available in your example).

Has face-to-face confression been an improvment? Well, it takes humility. And last I checked, humility was a cirture. Of course, some people have it in less quatities than others…
 
It wasn’t entirely the Baby Boomer generation that gave us the Novus Ordo and misinterpreted 'spirit of Vatican II" but it will be their legacy. That is why the most ardent defenders of all the changes these past forty years are people of that age.

The “Me Generation” changed the focus of our liturgy from God to mortals, simplified things, blurred the distinction between clergy and laity, sought to end “Catholic guilt” and attempted to reunify the lost sheep of Protestantism by becoming more like them.

If it is true that you don’t appreciate something until you’ve lost it then that would explain why the younger generations are yearning for the traditional liturgy and proper Catholic culture.
 
When my dad was in World War 2, face to face confessions were SOP in the battlefield. Given that the priest is required to provide an opportunity for a “screened” confession, in most circumstances people have the alternative (and no clue as to what all may or may not have been available in your example).
We’re not on a battlefield or anything like it. An alternative was available in my case and it wasn’t used. It was weird. The priests were in the sanctuary hearing the face-to-face confessions of young boys with the next candiate about 15 feet away, waiting his turn.

Another priest I know has the habit of pushing away the curtain so there is no privacy in the confessional.

I think it’s just novelty for the sake of it. I’m telling you, I’m not confessing deeply personal failings to these guys face to face!
Has face-to-face confression been an improvment? Well, it takes humility. And last I checked, humility was a cirture. Of course, some people have it in less quatities than others…
Humility? Humility!?! How about not wanting to have to look into the face of a guy you’ve confessed something to, when he’s walking down the street? In his civvies?

Humility. Ha. Once again, pseudo-clever modernists are mucking around with something tried-and-tested.
 
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