Fr Michael Pfleger arrested

[chicago]

It’s a shame the good Father isn’t assigned to the Peoria Diocese. I am sure Bishop Jenky would be happy to deal with him.

Before Cardinal George was appointed to fill the spot left vacant by Cardinal Bernardin’s death, there was a joke going around town about his predecessor in Peoria, the now Archbishop Myers of Newark. It went, “We’ll probably get sent Bishop Myers and then boy are we in trouble!”

 

[chicago]

In fact gun owners tend to be both better educated and have higher incomes than non-owners.

What does that have to do with the price of tea? The same could be said for many drug users and patrons of prostitution, for heaven’s sake!

The reality is the Culture of Death is a gang/crime issue that is closely related to the breakdown of the family structure, which is closely related to the sexual revolution/abortion and the objectification of women.

Gangs which are running drug rings… which is what makes the whole deal go. It’s ultimately all about the free market of making money and holding power.

It is amazing how misguided Fr Pfleger and Rev Jackson really are. In your quotes above you omitted some additional information:
Interestingly they are claiming to fight ILLEGAL guns by going to a LEGAL gun store? In fact they are going to a gun store that, according to the BATF is complying with some of the strictest gun laws in the nation. Why not go after the CRIMINALS, and the whole reason they exist?

Actually, Jackson readily admits that closing down Chuck’s won’t rid the problem and that the guns will continue to come in from out of state.

 

[Sheeniac]

I’m tempted to go there on Friday to have a one woman counter protest.

 

[Nino]

Fr Michael Pfleger, Jesse Jackson and the Rainbow Coalition have been at it again, and now the two of them ended up in jail. Sounds to me like the good Fr is creating a hostile situation and is clearly fanning the flames.

This is the 3rd week in a row that Fr Pfleger and Jesse Jackson have held publicity stunt demonstrations at Chuck’s Gun Shop. It should be noted that the BATF and other agencies have not even accused Chuck’s Gun shop of anything!

In one of the dozen or so news reports I saw that Jesse Jackson stated about the gun store owner: “He was inviting violence” But it seems to me that if you lead marches against this store, and you do it week after week after week, then you, the leaders of the march, are the ones inviting the violence.

Their issues are pretty much bogus anyway, Illinois has very strict gun laws, and according to the Brady Campaign to Prevent Violence, Illinois has some of the toughest gun laws in the nation. Even to shop for a gun you must have an Illinois Firearms Owners I.D. card before you are allowed to do anything, those take roughly a month to get, and they include background checks. Then they have additional waiting periods after that. And many cities have handgun bans. Seems that by harassing the few legal gun stores who cater to police and honest citizens they are missing the point that guns are coming into Illinois illegally. So they make their headlines and get more laws enacted that restrict law abiding citizens but do nothing to address the issues the pretend to care about.

The Chicago Sun Times reports:

Pfleger arrested in protest outside gun shop
June 24, 2007
By MONIFA THOMAS Staff Reporter
An anti-gun rally ended Saturday with the arrests of the Reverends Jesse Jackson and Michael Pfleger outside Chuck’s Gun Shop in south suburban Riverdale.

Jackson and Pfleger, pastor of St. Sabina parish, were each charged with one count of criminal trespass to property after they were arrested while leading their third protest at the store. They were later released.

Jackson said store owner John Riggio pushed him after he and Pfleger turned down Riggio’s invitation to enter the gun shop alone. They declined, Jackson said, because the store was filled with Riggio’s “hostile” supporters.

But Riggio said he didn’t push Jackson, whom he accused of orchestrating the arrests to grab headlines. “He bumped into me, and I bumped back into him,” Riggio said.

’Going to come back’
Riverdale Police said they arrested Pfleger and Jackson because the protesters wouldn’t stop blocking the entrance to the store. Police would not address Jackson’s assault claim.

Earlier this month, Pfleger drew heat from Cardinal Francis George for saying he was going to “snuff out” Riggio.

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Here is the story in the NY Daily News, so it is apparently well beyond a local story in Chicago:

** Jesse’s ‘bogus’ gun-shop bust**

                                        BY BILL HUTCHINSON

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER
Saturday, June 23rd 2007, 12:00 AMA heated confrontation at a gun-store protest in Illinois left the Rev. Jesse Jackson in handcuffs but saying the shop owner attacked him.

The civil rights leader called the trespassing charges against him “bogus” and accused cops of taking the side of the gun dealer who assaulted him.

“He [the gun shop owner] literally had us arrested,” Jackson, 65, told the Daily News after he was released on his own recognizance.
The angry encounter occurred outside Chuck’s Gun Shop, believed to be the state’s largest gun dealer, in the Chicago suburb of Riverdale.

Jackson contends the shop provides gang members and other criminals in nearby South Chicago with easy access to weapons.

He and the Rev. Michael Pfleger, a Chicago Catholic priest and an outspoken advocate of gun control, were arrested after leading a group of protesters to the gun store for the third time this month. The ministers say they were standing on the sidewalk in front of the store when John Riggio stormed out and confronted them.

“He pushed me,” Jackson said. “I said, ‘You don’t have to push me.’ He was provoking me, but I wouldn’t do it.”

Jackson said the encounter was videotaped, but police refused to hear his side of the story even after viewing the footage.

Riggio told cops Jackson and the protesters were blocking the entrance to his store and demanded they be arrested for refusing to leave, police said.
whutchinson@nydailynews.com

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[Nino]

Americas longest day ie: Lexington-Concord was fought over …the citizens right to defend himself…right to bear arms!!!.When President Kennedy was murdered by a Marxist,was Marxism condemned and ordered to be studied in Americas schools so that its hateful doctrine can be better understood and fought…no.the cry was for …you guess it…‘gun control!’…When I was teaching I used to visit the homes of the poorest kids…many living in ghettos…the parents all had guns in their homes to protect themselves against the drug dealers,the pimps and the petty thieves. Horrible,the prospect of only the centralized gov.and outlaws having weapons while we honest folk are left defense less…kinda like when FDR broke the nuetrality act and shipped half our fleet to England and left the other half at Pearl Harbor…take a guess as to what happened there! I have found most of these ‘anti-gun’ characters have armed bodyguards to protect them from the rabble…gee now where is my Red Ryder BB gun…go back to sleep,it cant happen here…Nino

 

[Caveman]

Golly gee, who do I contact to start up a candle light vigil to KEEP him in jail?

 

[melensdad]

Bennie P:

Culture of Death is having a field day in Chicago - while everybody’s eyes on thier toys.

melensdad:

In fact gun owners tend to be both better educated and have higher incomes than non-owners.

What does that have to do with the price of tea?

Clearly the point of fact that, on a whole, gun owners are better educated and attain higher incomes than average shows they are not members of this Culture of Death that Bennie P wrote about.

The Culture of Death is a spawn our own lax society and low moral standards and is more related to fatherless children and single parent homes than anything else.

 

[chicago]

Clearly the point of fact that, on a whole, gun owners are better educated and attain higher incomes than average shows they are not members of this Culture of Death that Bennie P wrote about.

The Culture of Death is a spawn our own lax society and low moral standards and is more related to fatherless children and single parent homes than anything else.

Here I disagree, Sin is omnipresent in our society and not a mere function of education, income, or fatherless homes (as challenging as those factors, particularly the latter, are real concerns which make life more difficult). The “culture of death” is every bit as prevalent (if not in some ways more so) in the seeming “better off” areas of society. Indeed, often they are the ones who have the resources to access the “better” sins. And, we must remember, that such sins are usually most pushed as societal goods by the educated and financially well to do; who, in their pride and quests for pleasure or power, believe that they can gain from the availability.

 

[BlestOne]

Myself I am more concerned about this >>>>
Chicago Shows Its Pride At Gay Pride Parade

Organizers Say There Were 450,000+ In Attendance (CBS) CHICAGO

That’s because the City of Chicago won’t let pro-lifers march… They say it will incite violence! This is no joke. My ds tried to organize a Great to be Straight parade in Chicago for his senior project in HS. He applied for the permits and that was the answer he got.

 

[BlestOne]

Before Cardinal George was appointed to fill the spot left vacant by Cardinal Bernardin’s death, there was a joke going around town about his predecessor in Peoria, the now Archbishop Myers of Newark. It went, “We’ll probably get sent Bishop Myers and then boy are we in trouble!”

Hahahaha!!! That would have been funny!!! Bishop Meyers was a no nonsense kinda guy. At least Bishop Jenky has a quick wit and a warped sense of humor!!!(Which is why I love him so much!)

 

[Fitz]

I read the local article. My uncle knows the gun store owner and he says he is a decent guy. My contention is, if you need a permit to have a gun, why are they blaming the owner. The criminals are getting guns illegally.

I personally think they both were tired of Paris Hilton hogging all the news. They are media hounds, the pair of them.

 

[melensdad]

I personally think they both were tired of Paris Hilton hogging all the news. They are media hounds, the pair of them.

Ahhh, now you have hit upon the truth of the matter.

Vanity.

These two thrive on the media and the cult that it creates around them, they use their media status as a tool to deceive people and then both openly admit that in their actions. They admit that Chuch’s Gun Shop is a legal dealer. They admit that he is following the laws. Yet they perpetuate the persecution of an innocent man to achieve the ends they desire.

They desire nothing short of state and federal gun bans and confiscation of legal guns. Every gun restriction that is put in front of them is deemed ‘reasonable’ as long as it provides them with another tool to attack law abiding citizens.

But it does not make what they are doing right. In fact by using their tactics it could be argued that Fr Pfleger is being unjust in the eyes of the Catechism and attempting to deprive Catholics of the human right of self defense, while at the same time helping to create an unjust government.
1902 Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a “moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility”:21

A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.22
1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, "authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse."23​

 

[Bennie_P]

1John 4:21 And this commandment we have from God, that he who loveth God love also his brother.
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Friday, June 29, 2007

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14310 South Indiana, Riverdale, IL

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**The “unresonable” & “anti-American” Gun Legislation you are asked to Support **

HB 0731: Storage of firearms. Bill will raise age of minors who have access to firearms from 14 to 18.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...HB&DocNum=731&GAID=9&SessionID=51&LegID=27927
HB 0758: Requires that all handgun sales be subject to criminal background checks.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...HB&DocNum=731&GAID=9&SessionID=51&LegID=27927
HB 0796: Requires that all handgun dealers in the State of Illinois be licensed at the state level.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...HB&DocNum=731&GAID=9&SessionID=51&LegID=27927
HB 0873: Prohibits the possession and sale of assault weapons.
HB 1078: Prohibits sales of handguns to one handgun in a 30 day period.
HB 1696: Requires that a lost or stolen gun be reported to local law enforcement.http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/Bil...HB&DocNum=731&GAID=9&SessionID=51&LegID=27927

 

[Sheeniac]

Bennie,

You quoted “unreasonable” and “anti-American”. Dear Brother in Christ, have you never heard of the saying ‘The Devil is in the Details’? Of course, it is much easier to use subtle ridicule on this forum.

Priests like Fr. Pfleger strain my Christian love.

 

[aimee]

Bennie,

You quoted “unreasonable” and “anti-American”. Dear Brother in Christ, have you never heard of the saying ‘The Devil is in the Details’? Of course, it is much easier to use subtle ridicule on this forum.

Priests like Fr. Pfleger strain my Christian love.

Even If they support the gun legislation…why is it Fr P and Mr Jackson are picketing a law abiding gun shop?? Doesn’t make sense to me…

 

[melensdad]

**The “unresonable” & “anti-American” Gun Legislation you are asked to Support **

First I never used the terms unreasonable or anti-American so I don’t appreciate your sarcasm.

Why can’t my daughter shoot a gun if she is trained to do so? In fact it is legal for her to go hunting with permission but under that law she will not be able take the gun with her when she hunts?

Why is it reasonable to have to go through 2 background checks and pay 2 background fees when I buy 2 guns? What is the purpose of that other than harassment of an honest citizen and a tax on top of the harassment!!!

Why is it reasonable that I should be limited to 1 gun a month? I bought a matched set of target pistols for my wife as an anniversary gift, they were custom made, hand engraved, and even had a Slavic blessing engraved onto the sides of each. But it was a pair of guns. I guess I am not allowed to give her a matched set? I should have waited a whole month to give her the second half of her present?

Why should the gun dealers incur multiple licenses when they are already approved on the federal level. In fact the way the law is proposed, it is probably in violation of the Federal Commerce Commission regulations.

We’ve already gone of the boloney about assualt weapons in several threads, I even showed photos of my 12 year old daughter shooting her rifle, with its fancy wood stock and bright blue finished metal. That rifle, commonly used as a training rifle, will instantly qualify as a assault weapon because it is capable of accepting a flash surpressor (which rifle is not?) and a high capacity magazine (again many are) and all sorts of other things that make no sense at all.

As for the stolen gun law, that one is actually reasonable, at least based on my understanding of it. But it is also unenforcible as it is written.

 

[Bennie_P]

melensdad;First I never used the terms unreasonable or anti-American so I don’t appreciate your sarcasm.

I appoligize, but I didn’t say you said those terms, I used them.

Why can’t my daughter shoot a gun if she is trained to do so? In fact it is legal for her to go hunting with permission but under that law she will not be able take the gun with her when she hunts?

who does not have a Firearm Owners Identification Card or who is not serving in the military is likely to gain access to the firearm without the lawful permission of the minor’s parent, guardian, or person having charge of the minor unless the firearm is secured

How does this keep her from hunting?

melensdad
Why is it reasonable to have to go through 2 background checks and pay 2 background fees when I buy 2 guns? What is the purpose of that other than harassment of an honest citizen and a tax on top of the harassment!!!

Provides that the purchaser or transferee may be required by the federally licensed firearm dealer to pay a fee not to exceed $10 per firearm, plus any applicable fees. Makes exceptions for (i) the transfer of a firearm between spouses, a parent and child, or a grandparent and grandchild, (ii) transfers by persons acting pursuant to operation of law or a court order, or (iii) transfers on the grounds of a gun show.

melensdad
Why is it reasonable that I should be limited to 1 gun a month? I bought a matched set of target pistols for my wife as an anniversary gift, they were custom made, hand engraved, and even had a Slavic blessing engraved onto the sides of each. But it was a pair of guns. I guess I am not allowed to give her a matched set? I should have waited a whole month to give her the second half of her present?

Amends the Criminal Code of 1961. Changes references in the statute on unlawful sale of firearms from “sell” or “give” to “transfer”. Prohibits multiple sales of handguns within a 30-day period. Creates the offense of unlawful acquisition of handguns. Provides exemptions and affirmative defenses. Penalty is a Class A misdemeanor for a first offense and a Class 4 felony for a second or subsequent offense.

If you plan a head, a small inconvenience, to keep guns out of criminal hands. It has been proven some greedy people who don’t have a record will purchase a multitude of guns and resale them to persons who cannot pass background checks. Most criminals commit a multitude of crimes before they are caught for the first time. As a society we should be open to some inconvenience to protect society as a whole.

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melensdad

Why should the gun dealers incur multiple licenses when they are already approved on the federal level. In fact the way the law is proposed, it is probably in violation of the Federal Commerce Commission regulations.**It gives the state a better oversight on what goes on within the state. Are you a gun dealer?

melensdadWe’ve already gone of the boloney about assualt weapons in several threads, I even showed photos of my 12 year old daughter shooting her rifle, with its fancy wood stock and bright blue finished metal. That rifle, commonly used as a training rifle, will instantly qualify as a assault weapon because it is capable of accepting a flash surpressor (which rifle is not?) and a high capacity magazine (again many are) and all sorts of other things that make no sense at all**.**

Baloney is what Baloney sees. I gave up hunting because of idiots out in the woods playing with their modified AR 15s, so their freedom to purchase assault rifles, I feel took my away my freedom to go hunting without fear of being shot by a jerk with his toy. I know most gun owners are responsible persons and hunters, but there are still that are not. I will not mention that our police are out gunned.

As for the stolen gun law, that one is actually reasonable, at least based on my understanding of it. But it is also unenforcible as it is written.

Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

 

[melensdad]

How does this keep her from hunting?

If it makes it illegal for her to access her own gun until she is 19 years old then she can’t use it, can she?

But more importantly, how do the current laws against violence, robbery, murder keep a 15 year old gang banger from beating up 70 year old women, breaking into innocent peoples homes and stabbing or shooting people on the streets?

**If you plan a head, a small inconvenience, to keep guns out of criminal hands. It has been proven some greedy people who don’t have a record will purchase a multitude of guns and resale them to persons who cannot pass background checks. **

It took nearly a year to have these guns custom built, the frames were made out of a special beryllium copper alloy, the slides a special blackened stainless steel, the wood stocks are “AA Fancy” koa wood from Hawaii and hand shaped. How dare you imply I didn’t plan ahead!

Last time I checked, INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY was part of our belief system, and further, as long as I don’t have a criminal record and pass my background check then why should it be presumed that I am going to sell my guns to criminals if I buy more than one? As for those who have done that, they should be prosecuted to fullest degree and lose their right to ever buy another gun.

It is already illegal to intentionally set up straw sales, why do the local DAs plead down and toss out gun charges?

It gives the state a better oversight on what goes on within the state. Are you a gun dealer?

Nope. It does not give the state any more insight, the state already has the authority to inspect gun dealers. It is simply another tax burden and another hurdle that will affect law abiding retailers and citizens.

Baloney is what Baloney sees. I gave up hunting because of idiots out in the woods playing with their modified AR 15s, so their freedom to purchase assault rifles, I feel took my away my freedom to go hunting without fear of being shot by a jerk with his toy. I know most gun owners are responsible persons and hunters, but there are still that are not. I will not mention that police our out gunned.

I hunted for years and never ran across that. Then again, I hunted in Indiana and Michigan. Exactly what types of “modifications” were made to those AR 15s? They shoot no faster than a Remington 7400 and AR 15s shoot much lower power rounds.

Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

In areas where guns are most common the violence is actually lower. However in areas were fatherless children exist in the highest proportions violence goes up. Perhaps there is a correlation you are missing.

 

[Bennie_P]

If it makes it illegal for her to access her own gun until she is 19 years old then she can’t use it, can she?.

I still don’t see how you get that, do mean that you allow here to go hunting by herself?

 

[Sheeniac]

Bennie wrote: Outside of war zones, we are the most violent 1st world country-could it be our love for gun fuels that violence?

Our love of guns? You mean the love of guns in the hearts of criminals? The love of violence in the hearts of criminals?

I won’t bother arguing any of the facts with you. They are all over this forum, and other places on the web. I doubt you would care about it but would rather spout the same old senseless arguments.

If only Fr. Pfleger would put as much energy into spreading the Gospel… but instead he would rather use his collar as a way to gain fame, publicity and push liberal social causes.

Pope St. Pius X, please pray for Fr. Pfleger.